I'm starting to change my mind on Trump!

Dixie said:
I keep hearing the 'angle' that Trump might be doing this to promote his show, or for publicity.... but he isn't going to announce his candidacy until the show ends in a few weeks. Now, I will say, I did watch the show the first season, and a little of the second.. but then it got boring to me, as all reality shows generally are.. and I have watched a few episodes of this season, it is a little different with the celebrities.. but in all honesty, Trump as well as the rest of us, know the whole "Apprentice" genre is about over. It has ran it's course, and it's time to put it to bed for good. So, Trump is certainly not doing this to promote his show, which will likely end at the conclusion of this season... that makes no sense. His ratings are also very high, there isn't a motivating reason for him to need to attract viewers to the show, he already has them for the most part. So that doesn't make sense to me either... and just a general publicity stunt? Why? What purpose would Trump have for getting publicity this way? There are surely less expensive ways!

I really do think Trump is running, and he believes he can win. Either that, or this is a carefully crafted plan to help nominate Mitt Romney, by weakening the TEA. We'll have to wait and see what develops, but speaking purely speculatively, if Trump were to make it through the primaries and win the GOP nomination, Obama is in some really serious trouble. So you don't think we can elect Trump president? .....Yes We Can!!

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Dixie, I don't think there is any denying that Trump loves publicity. Just because the apprentice series may be running its course doesn't mean he won't have something else in the works. And from a real estate marketing perspective he loves having his name in the news.

I would love to see him run if nothing else for the pure entertainment of it. Politicians are so damn button downed and only speak their talking points etc. Here's a guy who just says what's on his mind. If I had to bet today I wouldn't see him surviving a year long primary contest because it's just not who he is. He's an entrepreneur who would probably become extremely bored with the mundane parts of politicking. That's just how I would bet today. He could very well prove me completely wrong. Like the rest of us I'll be watching to see how this all plays out.
 
Superfreak said:
If you think he has a prayer of a chance without setting forth policy positions, then you are insane. Yes, he doesn't have much to criticize now, but he will have to set forth an agenda. When he does, he is going to get criticized. He doesn't handle that well.
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Oh, he meets legitimate criticism head on! No doubt about that... you criticize something he feels passionate about, and he's going to make his case. But you see.... I think that is what Trump's main appeal is! He's not afraid to take a stand on something, and he doesn't care if you think it's proper or PC to do so. Yeah, that's a little risky in politics, but it's also wildly popular with the people. What would normally be a calamity for most traditional candidates, is what attracts people to Trump like a magnet. It's bizarre, it's unconventional, and oddly enough, it just might work!
 
Dixie said:
Oh, he meets legitimate criticism head on! No doubt about that... you criticize something he feels passionate about, and he's going to make his case. But you see.... I think that is what Trump's main appeal is! He's not afraid to take a stand on something, and he doesn't care if you think it's proper or PC to do so. Yeah, that's a little risky in politics, but it's also wildly popular with the people. What would normally be a calamity for most traditional candidates, is what attracts people to Trump like a magnet. It's bizarre, it's unconventional, and oddly enough, it just might work!
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What you call "meeting legit criticism head on", most people call bristling, getting overly defensive, lashing out with insults & overreacting in a very un-Presidential way. We already saw some of that last week.

You're having a Sarah Barracuda moment w/ Trump. Take a few deep breaths...
 
This is the Trumpster's response to some gentle criticism in Vanity Fair magazine:

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It's hilarious.
 
cawacko said:
Dixie, I don't think there is any denying that Trump loves publicity. Just because the apprentice series may be running its course doesn't mean he won't have something else in the works. And from a real estate marketing perspective he loves having his name in the news.

I would love to see him run if nothing else for the pure entertainment of it. Politicians are so damn button downed and only speak their talking points etc. Here's a guy who just says what's on his mind. If I had to bet today I wouldn't see him surviving a year long primary contest because it's just not who he is. He's an entrepreneur who would probably become extremely bored with the mundane parts of politicking. That's just how I would bet today. He could very well prove me completely wrong. Like the rest of us I'll be watching to see how this all plays out.
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Very important point to note here.

When you look at what has become of the "Left" and the "Right" in America, it is clear that a growing number of Americans find themselves in the middle... not that they are "moderates" but that politics has pushed the extremes further apart than ever before, and "normal" people fall in the gap. The real test will be how Trump fares with the Independents. Now, I don't know that bringing up Obama's birth certificate is bringing in the Indy voter, it seems to be kind of odd, if that is the case... but if he can secure the independent voters, he has a shot. While he does seem to be positioning to the far right, he is not associated with the GOP elite, and has no real connection with political party... he's just Trump. I can see where he could develop a sensible political strategy to garner the votes and win an election against Obama. I believe he is a smart enough man to do that. And I can see where a large chunk of America, might just be ready to vote for someone outside the mainstream political dysfunction in Washington.
 
Onceler said:
What you call "meeting legit criticism head on", most people call bristling, getting overly defensive, lashing out with insults & overreacting in a very un-Presidential way. We already saw some of that last week.

You're having a Sarah Barracuda moment w/ Trump. Take a few deep breaths...
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Hmmm, I think I see what you mean.... Like when Obama said the Cambridge police acted stupidly? And like he called the right "terrorists" for holding health care "hostage"... and while people were dying in tornadoes and flooding across the east last week, he was out west raising money for his campaign, defending all his failed policies by blaming republicans?
 
Ice Dancer said:
Your naivete is truly telling. My reply was equal to your question.

As to Iraq taking on the burden of repayment-this is hardly a Trump idea. Indeed it used to be mostly congressional democrats trumpeting the call!

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Shifting responsibility to Iraq is different than attempting to saddle them with debts they can't pay. It is Trump who is naive, not I. I am being a realist. Even if we did try to do it, we'd never get the money, and we'd cause the Iraqi government to fall apart.

Do you think you'd ever be able to pay off a million dollars of debt?
 
Dixie said:
Hmmm, I think I see what you mean.... Like when Obama said the Cambridge police acted stupidly? And like he called the right "terrorists" for holding health care "hostage"... and while people were dying in tornadoes and flooding across the east last week, he was out west raising money for his campaign, defending all his failed policies by blaming republicans?
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Like I said, you're having a Sarah Barracuda moment if you think that's comparable to what you're about to see from Trump, if he really enters the fray. In all seriousness, he won't be able to even talk about issues after awhile. It will be constant damage-control...
 
Dixie said:
Oh, he meets legitimate criticism head on! No doubt about that... you criticize something he feels passionate about, and he's going to make his case. But you see.... I think that is what Trump's main appeal is!
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I really don't give a damn how passionate a politician is. Tell me how they're going to vote, tell me what they're going to do. And Trump is going to fuck shit up.
 
King of Nothing said:
Shifting responsibility to Iraq is different than attempting to saddle them with debts they can't pay. It is Trump who is naive, not I. I am being a realist. Even if we did try to do it, we'd never get the money, and we'd cause the Iraqi government to fall apart.

Do you think you'd ever be able to pay off a million dollars of debt?
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No, again, it is you that is naive. Paying us back is neither a naive or untenable possibility. The leverage we have is real and negotiable. Trump may state it in less then diplomatic terms, and our entire costs may not be fully recovered, but so what.
 
Onceler said:
Like I said, you're having a Sarah Barracuda moment if you think that's comparable to what you're about to see from Trump, if he really enters the fray. In all seriousness, he won't be able to even talk about issues after awhile. It will be constant damage-control...
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Well, let's see, so far... he has raised the issue of Obama's birth.... he has threatened to kick the middle east's ass and take their oil, and he has said he will go after the balls of the Chinese on trade... he has said he is pro-life and not pro-choice... he has said is doesn't favor gay marriage... and still.... I see no visible signs of Trump doing ANY kind of "damage control" ...he just keeps saying more outrageous stuff, and ignores your complaints. All the while, gaining by leaps and bounds in the polls across America. Go figure? :D
 
Dixie said:
Well, let's see, so far... he has raised the issue of Obama's birth.... he has threatened to kick the middle east's ass and take their oil, and he has said he will go after the balls of the Chinese on trade... he has said he is pro-life and not pro-choice... he has said is doesn't favor gay marriage... and still.... I see no visible signs of Trump doing ANY kind of "damage control" ...he just keeps saying more outrageous stuff, and ignores your complaints. All the while, gaining by leaps and bounds in the polls across America. Go figure? :D
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You haven't seen any of that, eh? More proof that you put the blinders up when you become enamored of someone. And you know that once he's a candidate, it becomes a whole different story.

By the way, Trump never wears jeans - just suits or slacks. That could be a rough one for you.
 
Onceler said:
You haven't seen any of that, eh? More proof that you put the blinders up when you become enamored of someone. And you know that once he's a candidate, it becomes a whole different story.

By the way, Trump never wears jeans - just suits or slacks. That could be a rough one for you.
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Like I said, I have not come out in support of Trump for president. I don't have homo-erotic fantasies about political men, sorry... just not my thang. And I agree, once he has announced his candidacy, things will be quite different. All I have pointed out is, if Trump succeeds in winning the GOP nomination, you can chalk Obama up to one term, it is over. I personally think his popularity, for whatever reason, will not translate to actual votes at the poll.... Iowa will be the deciding factor, and New Hampshire... if Trump comes in and blows everyone out of the water, he could easily win the nomination... if he finishes a strong second, the primaries would be very interesting... and if he finishes a distant third or fourth, he will fade away an the whole Trump Anomaly evaporates. So it's really all up in the air right now... we don't even know who his challengers might be, or what might transpire along the way to effect policy positions, etc.. it's way too early to tell.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Paying us back is neither a naive or untenable possibility. The leverage we have is real and negotiable.
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It doesn't matter how much leverage we have. If every Iraqui business and individual did nothing but give money to the US for 20 years (and magic prevented their economy from falling apart and their people from starving to death), they still wouldn't have paid back all of that money.
 
King of Nothing said:
It doesn't matter how much leverage we have. If every Iraqui business and individual did nothing but give money to the US for 20 years (and magic prevented their economy from falling apart and their people from starving to death), they still wouldn't have paid back all of that money.
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It's not the people stupid it's the oil...more then 15 trillions dollars worth. Like I said, you are the naive one, not Trump.
 
Ice Dancer said:
It's not the people stupid it's the oil...more then 15 trillions dollars worth. Like I said, you are the naive one, not Trump.
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I can see the Trump supporters now with their "WAR FOR OIL" and "WE DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE" signs. Awesome.

In any event, I can imagine Americans would gladly serve in Iraq to defend oil production and transportation facilities against hostile Iraqi forces pissed off that their only source of government funding has been taken by the United States of America. And why wouldn't they be excited about that prospect? It would be awesome.
 
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