Republicans don't have the balls!

Dixie said:
Apparently that's where Democrats think dollars come from, since they keep giving us budgets for trillions more than what we take in.
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Didn't the GOP-controlled Congress do the same thing?

I seem to recall that we had a balanced budget in around 12 of the past 70 years or so.
 
Yurt said:
and once again the fibberfish ignores obama....why can't you be honest and admit he would shut the government down? if it is FACT that it won't pass the senate, why did obama feel the need to say he would veto any extension? you are a party hack that will forgive anything obama does. it is wholly irrelevant if it passes the senate, the FACT is obama would shut down the government, but you're too much of a hack to acknowledge the truth of the matter fibberfish.
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If ifs were fifths, we'd all be drunk.
 
Dixie said:
Apparently that's where Democrats think dollars come from, since they keep giving us budgets for trillions more than what we take in.
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Who in the past 10 years said that deficit spending doesn't matter? Was that a Democrat, or a Republican?
 
Epic Win said:
I admire your honesty.
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Hey, I haven't filed my taxes yet, and I was supposed to actually get a refund this year! I sure could use that money, and I know it won't be here if the government shuts down, but I can live with that. So this effects my pocketbook too, that was my vacation fund... but you know what? I don't mind, because something more fundamentally important is at play here, and it is at the core of my principled beliefs as a conservative.

You see.... Liberals live in world where everyone is spoiled to the idea that our selfish individual needs trump the principles and needs of the collective. Liberal politics centers around this, as a matter of habit. You are so accustomed to tossing out these individual examples of needs, wants, desires... that you can't comprehend any other way to present things or argue your points. It's always in context of who is going to do without, who is going to be hurt, and the assumption is, because it is hurtful to these individuals on a personal level, it will change how they support the greater principles of the country as a whole. It's sad, because it shows that you have a lack of respect for responsibility, character, and principle. Your decision making, your thought process, your whole entire viewpoint, is based upon selfish personal wants, needs, and desires. As if, no one ever taught you to not be that way. As if, the entire country is shallow and selfish, and spoiled, and will ultimately vote accordingly.
 
Dixie said:
Hey, I haven't filed my taxes yet, and I was supposed to actually get a refund this year! I sure could use that money, and I know it won't be here if the government shuts down, but I can live with that. So this effects my pocketbook too, that was my vacation fund... but you know what? I don't mind, because something more fundamentally important is at play here, and it is at the core of my principled beliefs as a conservative.

You see.... Liberals live in world where everyone is spoiled to the idea that our selfish individual needs trump the principles and needs of the collective. Liberal politics centers around this, as a matter of habit. You are so accustomed to tossing out these individual examples of needs, wants, desires... that you can't comprehend any other way to present things or argue your points. It's always in context of who is going to do without, who is going to be hurt, and the assumption is, because it is hurtful to these individuals on a personal level, it will change how they support the greater principles of the country as a whole. It's sad, because it shows that you have a lack of respect for responsibility, character, and principle. Your decision making, your thought process, your whole entire viewpoint, is based upon selfish personal wants, needs, and desires. As if, no one ever taught you to not be that way. As if, the entire country is shallow and selfish, and spoiled, and will ultimately vote accordingly.
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For you it's a vacation; that's nice.

For others, it's groceries, heat, or a medical need.

Nice principles...
 
Looks like the Republicans have officially overeached. This is exactly what the Democrats wanted. I like it because it belive it will help this nation by helping Obama's reelection, but otherwise....

SHAME on ALL OF THEM for playing politics with people's lives. What a bunch of babies.
 
signalmankenneth said:
It used to be said that all politics is local. Today's Republican Party is about proving that all politics is just politics. The pretense that there is some underlying principle guiding the current push for fiscal reform is just that, a pretense. Conservatives are using financial arguments to pursue a familiar social agenda, and right wingers like Michele Bachmann have made fiscal responsibility and abortion reform two sides of the same coin.
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" The pretense that there is some underlying principle guiding the current push for fiscal reform is just that, a pretense."

All one has to do is read the first paragraph to realize the rest of article is also bullshit....left wing bullshit at that...

We ARE $14,000,000,000,000 in debt and this pinhead wants us the believe fiscal reform is just a pretense for what? Abortion? Politics?

Why O' why do we allow these pinheads that are naive beyond belief, to vote....
 
Yurt said:
thats cute fibberfish....but you're still avoiding acknowledging obama is willing to shutdown the government...you have no problem bashing the gop based on 'if'...but you will not dare to hold obama accountable....
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Of course Obama and the Democrats are willing to shut down the government, dumbass. If they weren't they'd've just passed the Republican budget long ago and there wouldn't be any impasse. What the fuck kind of dumbass insight do you think you've stumbled across here, Crawfish? Is that the reason you posted that fucking link? To prove something that everyone with half a brain already knows to be the case?

The only real issues are the circumstances under which the various parties are willing to shut it down. Obama clearly is willing to shut it down rather than agreeing the House GOP proposal, while the Republicans are clearly willing to shut it down rather than passing a clean continuing resolution to fund the government for another week to allow for negotiations to continue. Where blame gets apportioned if the government does get shut down depends on your view of these respective positions.
 
Jarod said:
I belive that at this point its all theater, the two sides are not far apart. It seems to me the rank and file Republicans do not want a shut down because they know that being painted as extreem is not good for them, however, they have to appear more radical for the Tea Party so they have established a compromise which will be a weekend shut down.
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After Schumers boner saying "he was ordered or instructed by the caucus, to use the word "extreme" when talking about republicans at every opportunity" no one buys that crap as much as you would like.
 
Americans are divided over whether President Barack Obama or congressional Republicans would shoulder more of the blame if there's a government shutdown later this week, according to two new national polls.

A Washington Post poll released Monday indicates that 37 percent of the public says Republicans in Congress would be more to blame for a shutdown of some government services and offices, with an equal amount saying the Obama administration would be more at blame, and 15 percent saying both sides would equally shoulder the blame.

A Pew Research Center survey also released Monday has almost identical numbers. Thirty-nine percent of people questioned in the Pew poll say congressional Republicans would be more at blame, with 36 percent saying the Obama administration, and 16 percent saying both sides would be blamed.

The numbers in the Washington Post and Pew surveys are little changed from polls they conducted earlier this year.

The polls' release comes just a couple of days before current funding for the government runs out. If there is no budget agreement between congressional lawmakers by Friday, some government programs and offices may shut down.

Fifty-six percent of people questioned in the Pew poll say they want federal lawmakers to be more willing to compromise, even if it means they pass a budget they disagree with, while only 36 percent say members of Congress should stand by their principles, even if it leads to a shutdown.

The survey indicates a partisan divide, with half of Republicans saying lawmakers should stand by their principles. Meanwhile 53 percent of independent voters and nearly seven in ten Democrats say lawmakers should compromise to prevent a shutdown.

The Washington Post poll indicates that by a two to one margin, Americans say the Republicans in Congress are playing politics rather than honestly trying to solve the budget impasse. By a 51 to 43 percent margin, the public feels the same way about the Obama administration.

The survey suggests a growing disillusionment among Republicans, with four in ten now saying congressional Republicans are playing politics rather than trying to avoid a government shutdown. That's up 13 points from earlier this year.

The Washington Post poll was conducted March 31-April 3, with 1,008 adults nationwide questioned by telephone. The survey's overall sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

The Pew Research Center poll was conducted March 30-April 3, with 1,507 adults nationwide questioned by telephone. The survey's overall sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/05/poll-americans-split-on-shutdown-blame-game-2/
 
NigelTufnel said:
I think there are plenty of Republicans in the House that are itching for a shutdown. If they weren't, this thing would have been resolved long ago and there wouldn't be any fight over policy riders at this point, it'd be all about the money. Hence, you have people like Mike Pence chanting "Shut it down" at Tea Party Rallies and the like. I doubt that Boehner wants a shut down but there is little he can do to control that if a substantial portion of his caucus won't go along with any agreement he can hash out.

The right wing Republicans and Tea Parties are under the impression that winning the House should give them the right to do whatever the hell they want right now instead of waiting to win future elections to accomplish their goals and cannot be convinced that it just doesn't work that way.
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NigelTufnel said:
Of course Obama and the Democrats are willing to shut down the government, dumbass. If they weren't they'd've just passed the Republican budget long ago and there wouldn't be any impasse. What the fuck kind of dumbass insight do you think you've stumbled across here, Crawfish? Is that the reason you posted that fucking link? To prove something that everyone with half a brain already knows to be the case?

The only real issues are the circumstances under which the various parties are willing to shut it down. Obama clearly is willing to shut it down rather than agreeing the House GOP proposal, while the Republicans are clearly willing to shut it down rather than passing a clean continuing resolution to fund the government for another week to allow for negotiations to continue. Where blame gets apportioned if the government does get shut down depends on your view of these respective positions.
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you start off bashing only the republicans for wanting to shut government down

i come along and show you obama is willing to do so as well. you fight and fight and deflect and deflect as best you can, without simply saying....yeah yurt...that's true. so after about a half dozen posts....you finally acknowledge my point, you should have simply acknowledged it in the beginning.

what a waste of time trying to tear my point down, but at least you finally admit it, instead of deflecting. good job nigel. though you could have just saved yourself some time and just acknowledged this earlier instead of being an obamabot apologist.
 
Yurt said:
while i do not want the government to shut down....i and many others will still be buying and selling

and i'm sure your food stamps will still continue :D
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Didn't read the article, did you?

You and many others won't be buying and selling with the federal government, though, will you?

I don't get food stamps, but you'll be glad to know those who do need them will continue to get them for a while.

When you're "sure" of something, that's a solid guarantee. :fuckthatshit:
 
The last time this happened we paid federal employees even though they didn't work, plus paid them overtime to get caught up.....I thought that was really stupid.....I hope we don't do that again......
 
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