GOP losers in government shutdown & budget fracas?

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Yup. Americans want some fiscal responsibility, Obama absolutely cannot continue to blame Bush as his only operational Budget Policy, he must do what he said and reign in this fiscal insanity, and right now he's playing right into the hands of the Republicans who were swept into office specifically to deal with the looming fiscal burden Obama is placing at the feet of our children. It doesn't matter which Democrat pretends that this won't matter to people, if the Republicans caved it would be political suicide for them.

They've put themselves in a precarious position now. It might be suicide w/ their base, but they might alienate indies if there is a shutdown.

Maybe not at first, but if it drags on at all, and services experience significant interruptions, and people don't get tax refund checks, etc.
 
You are correct.

I have to ask, though:

Where was the demand for fiscal responsibility whn Bush was cutting taxes and signing the spending bills from a GOP-controlled Congress that ran up the debt?

It was signified by the fiscal conservatives rejecting the republican party in the next election and giving supermajorities in both houses to Democrats. It was what started and has been the significant drive of the TEA Party protests. It was significant that social venue items were almost wholly ignored by republicans seeking office in the last election, yet they won office by a huge margin and in many places that republicans have held no seat for some time. Ignoring actual history to pretend that republicans didn't protest that spending (you'll find it on this board if you just search for it) is going to be the downfall of the Democrats if they fail to recognize how pissed off people are about this. There would be far more blowback on the republicans if they didn't hold firm on cutting the bloat even this minutely. We absolutely have to cut more than this if we are to hand a better future to our children.

Blame Bush isn't holding water anymore, the promised jobs have gone missing, the spending isn't ending, and it isn't getting better for most Americans. Jobs can't even keep up with the new entries into the market let alone come back from the losses previous. The spendthrift policy of both parties must end now. If "fiscal conservatives" can't find 60 Billion out of nearly a trillion to remove from the bloated and fiscally dangerous budget and the Democrats unwilling to cut even 1% of the bloat, then we are truly a fiscally retarded country unable to understand the concept of crippling debt and bankruptcy.
 
Good to hear from a conservative, especialy a birther, that Clinton wasn't overspending.

During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?


A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.

Keep in mind that fiscal years begin Oct. 1, so the first year that can be counted as a Clinton year is fiscal 1994.

The appropriations bills for fiscal years 1990 through 1993 were signed by Bill Clinton's predecessor, George H.W. Bush.

Fiscal 2002 is the first for which President George W. Bush signed the appropriations bills, and the first to show the effect of his tax cuts.

The Clinton years showed the effects of a large tax increase that Clinton pushed through in his first year, and that Republicans incorrectly claim is the "largest tax increase in history."

It fell almost exclusively on upper-income taxpayers. Clinton's fiscal 1994 budget also contained some spending restraints. An equally if not more powerful influence was the booming economy and huge gains in the stock markets, the so-called dot-com bubble, which brought in hundreds of millions in unanticipated tax revenue from taxes on capital gains and rising salaries.

Clinton's large budget surpluses also owe much to the Social Security tax on payrolls. Social Security taxes now bring in more than the cost of current benefits, and the "Social Security surplus" makes the total deficit or surplus figures look better than they would if Social Security wasn't counted. But even if we remove Social Security from the equation, there was a surplus of $1.9 billion in fiscal 1999 and $86.4 billion in fiscal 2000.

So any way you count it, the federal budget was balanced and the deficit was erased, if only for a while.

Update, Feb. 11, 2008: Some readers wrote to us saying we should have made clear the difference between the federal deficit and the federal debt. A deficit occurs when the government takes in less money than it spends in a given year. The debt is the total amount the government owes at any given time. So the debt goes up in any given year by the amount of the deficit, or it decreases by the amount of any surplus. The debt the government owes to the public decreased for a while under Clinton, but the debt was by no means erased.

Other readers have noted a USA Today story stating that, under an alternative type of accounting, the final four years of the Clinton administration taken together would have shown a deficit. This is based on an annual document called the "Financial Report of the U.S. Government," which reports what the governments books would look like if kept on an accrual basis like those of most corporations, rather than the cash basis that the government has always used.

The principal difference is that under accrual accounting the government would book immediately the costs of promises made to pay future benefits to government workers and Social Security and Medicare beneficiaries. But even under accrual accounting, the annual reports showed surpluses of $69.2 billion in fiscal 1998, $76.9 billion in fiscal 1999, and $46 billion for fiscal year 2000.

So even if the government had been using that form of accounting the deficit would have been erased for those three years.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/during_the_clinton_administration_was_the_federal.html




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During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?


A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.

Wrong. The answer is yes to the first, no to the second. In every year Clinton was in office (in truth, every year since Ike left office) our national debt has increased. That means ACTUAL deficits were run each and every year since Ike.
 
Who's comparing the two?

I simply pointed out the net political effects of the last shutdown; Clinton got a boost when people blamed the GOP. It's possible the same thing may happen this time.

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YOU are comparing the two....do you take special classes? start with post 4 and then read some of your other posts...and get back to me
 
YOU are comparing the two....do you take special classes? start with post 4 and then read some of your other posts...and get back to me

I have examined the chronology of the posts, and I'm not saying the fiscal situations are even close.

What may be comparable is the impact on Obama's chances next November, if the public blames the GOP for the shutdown.

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I have examined the chronology of the posts, and I'm not saying the fiscal situations are even close.

What may be comparable is the impact on Obama's chances next November, if the public blames the GOP for the shutdown.

Ok, we get it... you are infatuated with Boehner.... enough of the photos...
 
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He is correct, it is a tea party ploy to hold the USA hostage for the rich.
Really?

"The budget and the shutdown are not related"....... thats your story ?...thats your story and you're gonna stick with it, huh ???

and you say because they are not related, that makes it a tea party ploy ?
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Well, then I give up...there is absolutely nothing I can say to a comment like that....nothing that wouldn't be a waste of time

You win, Rana.....
 
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