Imagine No Religion...

Dixie said:
Many religious beliefs are already law. Not murdering people is a religious belief, it's found in the 10 Commandments. Not stealing is also a religious belief... found in the same 10 Commandments. So your campaign to expunge anything 'religious' from the law, is going to be quite an impossible feat.
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These were not religious beliefs, you crack me up! They had law before the Ten Commandments, didn't Moses get in trouble for murdering a man in Egypt? Murder was against he law way before Moses and the Imperfect Ten!
 
Dixie said:
1. Self-preservation... 2. Survival of the species... 3. Protection of territory. Those are the priorities for any animal in the wild. No examples exist of animals sacrificing themselves in the name of morality or the common good. Animals have no concept of right and wrong behavior as humans do. Their behavior is totally dictated by the three priorities listed. Human morality is a special attribute only found in our species... like I said, put it in the box with cognitive thought and spirituality... it's part of what makes us unique as a species. There is not a coincidence here, the aspects of human morality are born from spiritual belief, which is born from cognitive thought, or visa versa, depending on opinions. Pack animals may cooperate, they may even sacrifice themselves at times, but it is always centered around the three priorities above, not morality or moral justifications.
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They are also traits of humans, which are animals.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Animals help each other out in many ways. In social species from honeybees to naked mole rats, kinship fosters cooperation: Females forgo reproduction and instead help the dominant female with her young. And common agendas help unrelated individuals work together. Male chimpanzees, for example, gang up against predators, protecting each other at a potential cost to themselves.
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All of these behaviors are instinctual, not contemplative. We know this because in observation, animals instinctively behave the same way in various circumstances. If they were contemplative, we would see the Gallup Poll shows 47% of honeybees favor helping the naked mole rats... or whatever. We've already covered primal instincts to protect the herd, protect territory, and self-preservation, and this is what male chimps do, without contemplating it. These are natural primitive instinctual behaviors found in animals. Not human morality, not human spirituality.

Generosity is pervasive among humans. Indeed, some anthropologists argue that the evolution of the tendency to trust one's relatives and neighbors helped humans become Earth's dominant vertebrate: The ability to work together provided our early ancestors more food, better protection, and better childcare, which in turn improved reproductive success.
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That's the exact same point I have made, the things that separate us from the rest of the animal kingdom, were necessary for us to emerge from the jungles and advance the species. Anthropologists once thought modern homo sapiens emerged from Neanderthal man, but then they discovered, both species lived during the same time period... ooops... in any event, this sparked the question, why did the Neanderthal die out and the homo sapiens thrive? Interestingly enough, every homo sapien civilization we've unearthed, shows sings of ceremony and ritual associated with spiritual beliefs... and every Neanderthal discovery, shows no sign of belief in the spiritual, no ceremonial burials, no rituals. Now, one could dismiss this and say it doesn't mean anything, but it certainly is a remarkable coincidence, don't you think?

However, the degree of cooperation varies. “Cheaters” can gain a leg up on the rest of humankind, at least in the short term. But cooperation prevails among many species, suggesting that this behavior is a better survival strategy, over the long run, despite all the strife among ethnic, political, religious, even family groups now rampant within our species.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/309/5731/93.full
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You are certainly very uncooperative, for a guy who speaks so highly about cooperation.
 
Dixie said:
All of these behaviors are instinctual, not contemplative. We know this because in observation, animals instinctively behave the same way in various circumstances. If they were contemplative, we would see the Gallup Poll shows 47% of honeybees favor helping the naked mole rats... or whatever. We've already covered primal instincts to protect the herd, protect territory, and self-preservation, and this is what male chimps do, without contemplating it. These are natural primitive instinctual behaviors found in animals. Not human morality, not human spirituality.
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Weren't you saying human spirituality is innate? What you mean is our intelligence is innate, which we use to think through how to relate to other individuals and world scenarios. Animals do the same according to their capacity. And animals have displayed contemplative behavior, problem solving behavior. can you use your reason to see that they would also use this ability in their social relations? Probably not, but i have faith in you.:)
That's the exact same point I have made, the things that separate us from the rest of the animal kingdom, were necessary for us to emerge from the jungles and advance the species. Anthropologists once thought modern homo sapiens emerged from Neanderthal man, but then they discovered, both species lived during the same time period... ooops... in any event, this sparked the question, why did the Neanderthal die out and the homo sapiens thrive? Interestingly enough, every homo sapien civilization we've unearthed, shows sings of ceremony and ritual associated with spiritual beliefs... and every Neanderthal discovery, shows no sign of belief in the spiritual, no ceremonial burials, no rituals. Now, one could dismiss this and say it doesn't mean anything, but it certainly is a remarkable coincidence, don't you think?
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Typing lots of irrelevant bullshit doesn't help your case.
You are certainly very uncooperative, for a guy who speaks so highly about cooperation.
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Again. another non-point.

keep trying, stupidity.
 
Rana said:
You are WAAAAAAAAAYYYY behind in animal research, go Google, Cocoa...the gorilla and tell me that animals don't reason. We are finding out more animal intelligence all the time.
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Ever read "The Emotional Life of Dogs"? Good read, and an eye-opener. We tend to try to anthropomorphize our pets and it is nice to have a different view.
 
Damocles said:
Ever read "The Emotional Life of Dogs"? Good read, and an eye-opener. We tend to try to anthropomorphize our pets and it is nice to have a different view.
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But animals definitely due display the ability to reason. Not all of them, but some do. Do you acknowledge that. Weigh in on the argument instead of just implying shit, you masonic dip.
 
AssHatZombie said:
But animals definitely due display the ability to reason. Not all of them, but some do. Do you acknowledge that. Weigh in on the argument instead of just implying shit, you masonic dip.
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Yes, the book uses evidence and studies to prove that dogs not only reason, but exhibit such secondary and deeper emotions as empathy that take both reason and emotion. I asked a question, because the book is salient to the topic. Now go and take your totalitarian rubbish and stuff it right down the hole you'd least like it to be in.
 
Damocles said:
Yes, the book uses evidence and studies to prove that dogs not only reason, but exhibit such secondary and deeper emotions as empathy that take both reason and emotion. I asked a question, because the book is salient to the topic. Now go and take your totalitarian rubbish and stuff it right down the hole you'd least like it to be in.
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You cease and desist with your totalitarian rubbish, exhibited in other arenas. Though you are on the side of freedom in this thread, you are suspect generally!:)
 
AssHatZombie said:
We could do this same dehumanization to ourselves. You use this reductivist claptrap to please your theocrat masters.
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It doesn't work the same way...humans dehumanize themselves without any effort at all...animals don't. What I mean is, that we humans, are able and often do, work against a norm-a dog does not do this-they respond according to their nature. If a loved one in the human world is murdered as opposed just dying in their sleep ...we will seek vengenance in addition to our grieving-a dog will not.

A dog is true to it's nature. It is pack orientated-if a member of its pack dies it responds in accordance with its nature-not becuse it is like a human-but because it is a dog. The article I posted was not an attack on what dogs feel, but merely an explanation of those feelings. Cesar Milan who is considered an expert will attest that dogs have emotionas, but they are not like human emotions and their expression is based on a completely different set of values/instincts.

And yes I am mastered by a creator...I accept that you do not subscribe to that idea.
 
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Ice Dancer said:
It doesn't work the same way...humans dehumanize themselves without any effort at all...animals don't. What I mean is, that we humans, are able and often do, work against a norm-a dog does not do this-they respond according to their nature. If a loved one in the human world is murdered as opposed just dying in their sleep ...we will seek vengenance in addition to our grieving-a dog will not.

A dog is true to it's nature. It is pack orientated-if a member of its pack dies it responds in accordance with its nature-not becuse it is like a human-but because it is a dog. The article I posted was not an attack on what dogs feel, but merely an explanation of those feelings. Cesar Milan who is considered an expert will attest that dogs have emotionas, but they are not like human emotions and their expression is based on a completely different set of values/instincts.

And yes I am mastered by a creator...I accept that you do not subscribe to that idea.
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Sounds convoluted and devoid of reason. ...

How are dog emotions different than human emotions?
 
This is about cooperative behavior. You theocrat losers want to invalidate animal cooperation. But you cannot do so because you cannot get inside their heads. You reflexively regurgitate the theocrat brainwash.
 
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