Ugh, you are exasperating. I see where they are complaining he did not consult enough with Congress... But you got nothing that says he did not consult with Congress.
Claim it all you want... Its not true.
War Powers Resolution, did Presidnet Obama follow its requirements re: Libya?
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Ugh, you are exasperating. I see where they are complaining he did not consult enough with Congress... But you got nothing that says he did not consult with Congress.
Claim it all you want... Its not true.
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So the quotes above, by Congressmen Rooney and Hastings are 'innuendo'?
Let me make it easy for you.
"Rooney’s main criticism was that Obama didn’t consult Congress beforehand.
Hastings, too, said Obama should have “been more cautious and conferred with Congress” before approving the military strikes.
If big words in print confuse you, you can hear and see Dennis Kucinich say Obama did not consult Congress prior to launching his Libyan adventure.
http://hawaiipoliticalinfo.org/node/3792
christiefan915
Catalyst
Yurtie has his blinders on. It's only bad because it's Obama.
Appendix 2. Instances Not Formally Reported to the Congress Under the War Powers Resolution
In some instances where U.S. Armed Forces have been deployed in potentially hostile situations abroad, Presidents did not submit reports to Congress under the War Powers Resolution and the question of whether a report was required could be raised. Representative examples of these instances since 1973 include: (105)
* evacuation of civilians from Cyprus in 1974
* evacuation of civilians from Lebanon in 1976
* Korean DMZ tree-cutting incident of 1976
* transport of European troops to Zaire in 1978
* dispatch of additional military advisers to El Salvador in 1981
* shooting down of two Libyan jets over the Gulf of Sidra on August 19, 1981, after one had fired a heat-seeking missile
* the use of training forces in Honduras after 1983
* dispatch of AWACS to Egypt after a Libyan plane bombed a city in Sudan March 18, 1983
* shooting down of two Iranian fighter planes over Persian Gulf on June 5, 1984, by Saudi Arabian jet fighter planes aided by intelligence from a U.S. AWACS
(More at this site)
http://www.fas.org/man/crs/RL32267.html#_1_47
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i'll ask again, where is the consultation jarod? you keep claiming it, but yet offer zero proof other than obama's word. are you really claiming that the secret briefings with only a few people, one an invitation, is formal consultation and is what is meant by consultation?
also, there are members of congress claiming he did not consult with them, why are you ignoring their word and instead holding up obama's as if he is god? so, for the fifth time, where is your POSITIVE proof he consulted. i'm not even asking you to prove a negative and yet you refuse, yet you get all tizzy when others don't give you the links the you ask for. now, kindly provide the links i've asked for about a half dozen times.
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i don't care who the president is....and its hilarious watching you pull a "they did it too"...and we know your lefty buddy won't be along to call you out on it
i'll ask you like jarod....where is the consultation....provide proof...i haven't seen any, if you can show it, great....but let's see it....i really don't see what the big deal is...the libs here are claiming he did....yet i have not seen (NOTE for christie that just because i haven't seen it, doesn't mean it didn't happen END NOTE) one lib show proof....
christiefan915
Catalyst
Like I said, blinders. Did you even read post 31?
On Monday, Mr. Obama sent Congress a two-page letter saying that as commander in chief, he had constitutional authority to authorize the strikes, which were undertaken with French, British and other allies. He wrote that the strikes would be limited in scope and duration, and that preventing a humanitarian disaster in Libya was in the best interest of American foreign policy and national security goals.
The White House also noted that Mr. Obama had met with Congressional leaders to consult about the Libya situation on Friday. On March 1, the Senate unanimously approved a resolution calling for the United Nations Security Council to impose a no-fly zone over Libya. The Security Council approved such a measure Thursday night.
There was no similar circumstance....
Reagan retaliated against Libya because the US fleet in the Med. were attacked by Libya in the Gulf.
After years of occasional skirmishes with Libya over Libyan territorial claims to the Gulf of Sidra, the United States contemplated a military attack to strike targets within the Libyan mainland. In March 1986, the United States, asserting the 12-nautical-mile (22 km; 14 mi) limit to territorial waters according to international law, sent a carrier task force to the region. Libya responded with aggressive counter-maneuvers on March 24 that led to the Gulf of Sidra incident.
On 5 April 1986, Libyan agents bombed "La Belle" nightclub in West Berlin, killing three people and injuring 229 people who were spending the evening there. West Germany and the United States obtained cable transcripts from Libyan agents in East Germany who were involved in the attack.
More detailed information was retrieved years later when Stasi archives were investigated by the reunited Germany. Libyan agents who had carried out the operation from the Libyan embassy in East Germany were identified and prosecuted by Germany in the 1990s.
After several days of diplomatic talks with European and Arab partners, President Ronald Reagan ordered a strike on Libya
Responding to attack is far different than taking sides in a civil war and helping AQ backed rebels in the overthrow of a country.
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that is AFTER the fact.....and that is NOT consultation, that is a REPORT....i can't believe you're claiming a two page report is actually "consultation"....
you're the one with blinders on...claiming a letter after the fact is consultation....LOL...
obviously you don't know the meaning of consultation, hopefully the above is educational
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1542. Consultation; initial and regular consultations; The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and after every such introduction shall consult regularly with the Congress until United States Armed Forces are no longer engaged in hostilities or have been removed from such situations.
S.1541(c):
(c) Presidential Executive Power as Commander-in-Chief; Limitation The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.
Obama's Libyan adventure fails to meet these criteria and is a clear violation of the law.
S.1541(c):
(c) Presidential Executive Power as Commander-in-Chief; Limitation The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.
Obama's Libyan adventure fails to meet these criteria and is a clear violation of the law.
christiefan915
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christiefan915
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christiefan915
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You were saying?
"Obama MET with Congressional leaders to CONSULT..."
con·sul·ta·tion
/ˌkɒnsəlˈteɪʃən/ Show Spelled[kon-suhl-tey-shuhn] Show IPA
–noun
1.
the act of consulting; conference.
2.
a meeting for deliberation, discussion, or decision.
"The White House also noted that Mr. Obama had met with Congressional leaders to consult about the Libya situation on Friday. On March 1, the Senate unanimously approved a resolution calling for the United Nations Security Council to impose a no-fly zone over Libya."
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
You do know that you're dealing with insipidly stubborn and willfully ignorant neocon parrots and toadies, don't you?
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Meeting with congressional leaders is not "consulting with Congress", is it?
Congress has 435 representatives and 100 senators. How many did Obama consult?
Congress has 435 representatives and 100 senators. How many did Obama consult?
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Jarod, initially I was skeptical of the WPA criticism, but after some research, I, too, have concluded that Obama was in violation of the act (and the Constitution). Even if Obama did consult with the leaders of both parties (which I do not believe), it is insufficient. Why? Libya posed no imminent threat to the United States, and therefore a vote by the House of Representatives was required for authorization. That is how the founding fathers intended it. If you believe the President should be a military dictator, it's on your shoulders to push for a Constitutional amendment to grant him that authority. Until such a time as that, what the President did was unconstitutional, plain and simple!
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Obama has already signed off on a presidential "finding"--i.e. an order--authorizing covert U.S. support for Libyan rebels. The order, which Reuters says was given "within the last two to three weeks" is described by the news service as the "principal form of presidential directive used to authorize secret operations by the Central Intelligence Agency" and is typically "crafted to provide broad authorization for a range of potential U.S. government actions to support a particular covert objective."
Developing.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/glob...support-libyan-rebels-just-went-public/36219/
Developing.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/glob...support-libyan-rebels-just-went-public/36219/