It's about teaching the children... to be good little pinhead protesters!

Ice Dancer said:
No my statements are based on the facts not the emotional strings you attempt to pull by describing the disease. Seizures are managed; gavage feeding is practiced; and pain management is a part of the care. Your solution instead of these measures is to just kill the child...that's twisted.

A fetus is a human being-abortion KILLS that human being-semantics really are not substitutes for scientific fact apple...but I understand your NEED to attempt that strawman.

Your stats regarding child abuse with regards to babies that have been aborted are meaningless. The children killed by abortion are not a part of those stats... We had a society, before abortion on demand was leagal, and it was more compassionate and more civil-abuse has increased despite the increase of abortion on demand due to ROE... The message of abortion is that it devalues the life of children.

I would rather imagine a society of responsible people where children are valued inside and outside the womb. One where it is legally clear that the only real and responsible choice happens before sex-not after an irresponsible moment. That if a woman gets pregnant that she consider her moral and ethical choices to be (adoption VS parenting) not killing her unborn child. A society where the need to employ the use of semantics in order to justify killing unborn children ends.
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So how is child abuse going to decrease if an additional million (fetuses currently aborted) unwanted children are brought into the world? We don't even properly care about the children who are here now!

Have you listened to the posters here. "It doesn't take a village." "Why should I pay for someone's child?" And similar comments.

Cuts to programs involving poor children like school lunch programs, etc.

Bring more children into the world when all we have to do is turn on the TV to see children dying from hunger and disease? That's what's twisted. That's what is vile and dehumanizing.

Maybe we can't change the world overnight but there is nothing humane or morally right to insist unwanted children be brought into the world KNOWING they will be abused/neglected/ignored/unloved and then witness people having the gall to say "life is what you make it".

As for responsible choices it's time sex education came out of the closet.

Remember, years ago, all the ADS and billboards concerning drinking and driving? It took a generation of an in-your-face, down-your throat awareness campaign to change things. (No pun intended) That's what's needed to change the abortion statistics.

Every drug store with a huge sign, "Have you picked up your birth control today?" Condom machines/dispensers everywhere. ADS showing the carrying of condoms to be "kool".

Can't people realize the obvious? Places frequented by 20-somethings (that being the highest demographic followed by 15-19 yr olds) should have messages/posters prominently displayed.
http://www.abortionfacts.com/statistics/age.asp

How can society get a handle on unwanted pregnancy when just the mention of sex is taboo?

Let's DO SOMETHING. Let's try every conceivable idea before we resign ourselves to bringing a million unwanted children into the world, year after year.

Obviously we aren't solving the problem by whispering about sex. Maybe it's time to start shouting.
 
Damn Yankee said:
As usual, when Apple is destroyed in debate, he turns silly.
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Destroyed in a debate? You imply what the issue is and then avoid it. If you don't feel I addressed your issue then state it, clear and concise.

It appears your tactic is to be vague and misleading and then claim you won a debate. Nice try.
 
Again you appeal to to your imagined "what ifs". The facts are clear apple-abortion has not provided any measure in reduction of your imagined and pontificated abuses... What is morally repugnant is the use of death as a means to deal with unwanted children. Sex education has been "out of the closet" for the last 30 fucking years and all it has accomplished is a more sexually promiscuous teenage population-who sometimes think to use a condom. What kids need is a morally solid foundation based upon personal responsibility and duty-not the message of "everyone’s doing it" and "if you get pregnant don't worry we can help you get an abortion".

No teenager has any inclination that there is "whispering" about sex- There is little naivety about sex on jr high and high school campuses...get a clue apple you seem to be stuck in the 1950"s.
 
Why is the government even involved in education? Where's the constitutional basis for that? In the past people were responsible for educating their own children. If we went back to the constitution we wouldn't even be debating these issues, would we?
 
Rtber said:
Why is the government even involved in education? Where's the constitutional basis for that? In the past people were responsible for educating their own children. If we went back to the constitution we wouldn't even be debating these issues, would we?
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The feds are not constitutionally authorized. All states are, however. I'd like to see the US Dept of education eliminated, and replaced with an office under the bureau of standards consisting of a director and a small staff, who do nothing more then establish voluntary testing standards and administer technology transfer between the states.
 
I agree.

Public education, even at the local level, is a complete failure, though. Why should I be taxed to give idiots free day care for their equally clueless spawn? The world needs ditch diggers too. If parents can't afford kids they shouldn't have any.
 
Damn Yankee said:
The feds are not constitutionally authorized. All states are, however. I'd like to see the US Dept of education eliminated, and replaced with an office under the bureau of standards consisting of a director and a small staff, who do nothing more then establish voluntary testing standards and administer technology transfer between the states.
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Yea and then you wouldn't have to worry about shit like "Brown vs. Board of Education" would you?
 
Rtber said:
I agree.

Public education, even at the local level, is a complete failure, though. Why should I be taxed to give idiots free day care for their equally clueless spawn? The world needs ditch diggers too. If parents can't afford kids they shouldn't have any.
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Oh what complete and total fucking non-sense. Ok, I could be mistaken, if your a product of our public school system you may have a point, after all, they did produce a mouth breather like you.
 
There is precious little education going on in government schools. All they provide is a low quality day care center so dumb ass mommy and daddy get a break from their stupid offspring for a few hours a day.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Oh what complete and total fucking non-sense. Ok, I could be mistaken, if your a product of our public school system you may have a point, after all, they did produce a mouth breather like you.
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Never infer or suggest a negative about another person’s education/intelligence if you are going to use poor spelling and or grammar~ Are you a teacher?
 
Rtber said:
I agree.

Public education, even at the local level, is a complete failure, though. Why should I be taxed to give idiots free day care for their equally clueless spawn? The world needs ditch diggers too. If parents can't afford kids they shouldn't have any.
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Apparently we don't agree. Public education has been for the most part very successful.
 
You need to be more clear about your point, newbie. Don't just post links and expect me to click on them and figure out what your point is.
 
My point, underscored by links to two articles you apparently are unwilling to read, is this:

The United States of America spends a lot of money on government day care centers and calls them schools.

The result?

Not so good.

Yet you claim that America's taxpayer-funded compulsory day care is "for the most part very successful"?

How so?
 
It was not until 1852 that Massachusetts became the first state to require attendance by students aged 6 through 16, and it was not until 1918 that all states had compulsory attendance laws.

High schools did not generally exist until after the Civil War, and the first American kindergarten didn't exist until 1856 in Watertown, Wisconsin.

Public schools in the United States are liberal and atheistic government institutions that employ 3 million people and spend $411.5 billion annually at a cost of $10,770 per student.

Spoken prayer, the Ten Commandments, and sharing of faith are expressly forbidden in public schools' classrooms during school hours, and teaching of morality is implicitly disfavored.

Homosexual indoctrination is common as early as elementary school in more liberal states.

The failures of under-performing public schools are paradigm of socialism, along with landfills and the Canadian health care system.

The following are characteristics of public schools:

30% fail to graduate from high school, and more than 40% of minorities fail to graduate;the real drop-out rate may be 50%.

Nearly 70% leave high school unqualified to go on to four-year college.

77% have used illicit drugs. Fatal overdoses are common but under-reported; public schools are required to present drug "education" to kids.

More than 60% of public school teenagers (in one regional study) watch more than 3 hours of television a day, compared with a national average of 35%.

About half of the pregnancies among girls attending public school end in abortions and about half end in birth. Public schools "educate" kids about sex.

"About 160,000 students miss school daily because they fear being bullied," and students viciously fight each other and post videos of it on Youtube.com.

20% go on dangerous "binge drinking," and 50% drink illegally.

10-20% become addicted to cigarettes.

35% are overweight.

Health screening of public schools in Memphis, Tennessee, found that nearly 10% have mental health problems.

More than 10% of public high schools have a pro-homosexual student club.

The majority of public school students are completely ignorant about the Bible, even as history and literature.

California public schools, largest in the nation, now rank at the bottom in academic achievement.

Since the rapid expansion and liberalization of public schools after World War II, students' literacy levels have dropped significantly. While the average 14-year-old had a vocabulary of 25,000 words in 1945, the equivalent student in 2000 had a vocabulary of only 10,000 words, a severe disadvantage in an increasingly textual world.

Textbooks (K-12) have been systematically analyzed in a study funded by the U.S. government. The 1986 findings were that massive, systematic liberal bias exists, resulting in several information blackouts in four key areas of modern American life—marriage, religion, politics, and business. While an actual conspiracy was then ruled out, the cause was found to be a "a very widespread secular and liberal mindset" pervading "the leadership in the world of education [and textbook publishing]"[29].

Professor Larry Schwikart, of the University of Dayton, wrote a book about biased textbooks. False claims common in those texts included that the founders wanted a "wall of separation" between church and state, that "Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation only because he needed black soldiers", and that "Mikhail Gorbachev, not Ronald Reagan, was responsible for ending the Cold War".

More at:


http://www.conservapedia.com/Public_schools
 
Still waiting on Kreskin/Yurt to explain his mistake...which is clearly laid out in post 262 btw.

48 hours and STILL no reply...maybe this is his way of admitting he's wrong?
 
hilarious, the board nanny, zappa, is still stuck on this issue. get a life nanny. further, you're being entirely dishonest by ignoring the fact dixie did not limit the discussion solely to the kids in the video. Just in post 8 and 11 dixie talks about other students and he never expressly said this thread was solely about just those kids. And really….why in the world are you still WHINING about this? As if you never go off on tangents in threads. Everyone does that on this board, why all of a sudden is important to you that everyone has to only talk about the kids in the video? Who appointed you board police nanny? Most of the current threads have off topic subjects, but no, zappa has to worry himself silly over me talking about STUDENTS in a thread about students. The board nanny, even though this is not his thread, has taken it upon himself to declare that we can ONLY talk about the kids in the OP. yet, he can whine in post after post about how someone is off topic

the irony is hilarious. but his such a whiny prick, he doesn’t see it. LOL
 
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