It's about teaching the children... to be good little pinhead protesters!

Yurt said:
if anyone takes an honest look at the OP, it is about ANY school children and is not solely about elementary schools. its hilarious how dishonest the wacko libs on this board get when stuffed into a corner eating their meadowmuffins they try to pawn off on the board.
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LOL - you've gotta be kidding me.

Read through the thread - especially responses from Dixie & ID - and prepare to pwn yourself yet again....
 
apple0154 said:
I've noticed the Right uses the same argument for just about everything.

Regarding unions: It's better for individuals to bargain for themselves.
Regarding SS: It's better for individuals to invest for themselves.
Regarding welfare: It's better to individually depend on charity.

It's as if they have no knowledge of history. They don't seem to realize all their ideas are old, tired out, failed ones as Obama tried to get across during the election.

We've tried no unions. We've tried no SS. We've tried no welfare. Been there, done that. And it was a disaster, in every case. That's why we have unions and SS and welfare.

The same argument is used when discussing medical care. Every country started out with a "pay or suffer" system or an "individual approach" and the citizens in every country which switched to a government plan have unquestionably supported it.

The reason for unions and SS and welfare and government medical is because the old systems failed. Hundreds of years. Thousands of years. Since the beginning of humanity the "individual approach" was used the world over. Every nation and every possible way; tried and failed.

There's only two possible conclusions. Either the Right's knowledge of history is non-existent or the Right doesn't give a damn about fellow human beings.

Are you able to offer any other logical reason?
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Actually, my argument is consistently: "if it's not in the Constitution, then it should be left to the states or to the People, unless they amend the Constitution.

Since this thread is about public unions in Wisconsin, I'll stay on the subject of public unions in Wisconsin.

The public unions in Wisconsin were not banned. Employees were given the right to quit the union, and they now have the right to negotiate salaries themselves. The only entity that lost rights are the unions themselves, which are corporations.

I'll ax you again, since when are liberals in favor of corporate rights over employee rights?
 
Onceler said:
LOL - you've gotta be kidding me.

Read through the thread - especially responses from Dixie & ID - and prepare to pwn yourself yet again....
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you dishonest hacks were talking about the OP

show me where the OP limits it to only elementary students....

i'll wait
 
Yurt said:
if anyone takes an honest look at the OP, it is about ANY school children and is not solely about elementary schools. its hilarious how dishonest the wacko libs on this board get when stuffed into a corner eating their meadowmuffins they try to pawn off on the board.
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The OP is about a particular video and what is depicted therein, Crawfish.
 
Dixie said:
So you see nothing wrong with teachers using students to politically protest their causes? That's okay with you, right? And it wouldn't matter if it were this, or say, a Pro-Life Rally?
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Dixie said:
It is a school field trip. Do you need for me to point out the "teachers" in the video to you? Because, I guarantee you, I can!
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LOL...yeah...dixie is really limiting the discussion to elementary students

busted again onceler :)
 
NigelTufnel said:
The OP is about a particular video and what is depicted therein, Crawfish.
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However, the post I quoted was a general statement about policy. I said that isn't what is happening and that I saw video with students saying they were brought to protest. I actually was able to provide some of that video, even though I am at work and can't watch it on the computer I am using to post from...

Seriously, do you think it is okay for teachers to bring kids who admit they don't even know what they are protesting?
 
Yurt said:
did the OP LIMIT the discussion solely to elementary students?

yes or no flea biter?
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You want it both ways, depending on who you're arguing with. You even grabbed the Dixie quote referring to the video.

Could you be any more dishonest?
 
Dixie said:
YouTube - Wisconsin protesters get children to chant

Un-fucking-real! Is THIS what our schools have now come to?
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So, you would not let your children cheer at a football game?

I took my children to the Park Stripe to make the Olympic Symbol of people, was that exploiting them or whatever you believe this is?

Are these their won children, if it were my job, our lives, my kids would be right there supporting me. Children are able to understand more than adults ever give them credit for understanding.

It is a pity children are under estimated.

Besides, it is a nice show of loyalty.:loveu:
 
NigelTufnel said:
Is there any indication that these are children are students of the teachers and that this is something that happened as part of school instruction as opposed to being parents with their kids?
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My thoughts, exactly! Are they being held there against their will? Forced to chant?
 
Damocles said:
However, the post I quoted was a general statement about policy. I said that isn't what is happening and that I saw video with students saying they were brought to protest. I actually was able to provide some of that video, even though I am at work and can't watch it on the computer I am using to post from...

Seriously, do you think it is okay for teachers to bring kids who admit they don't even know what they are protesting?
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Actually, Damo. You posted some comment about indoctrination. Mott called you out by specifically referring to the children depicted in the video posted by Dixie and saying that he sees some kids supporting their parents. Then you claimed that the children in the video were brought from class and that you seen it on CNN. From there several people called out your bullshit and asked for substantiation of your claim regarding the video and you shucked and jived until you posted a completely different video.

That's what happened. Just man up and admit it.
 
Dixie said:
It is a school field trip. Do you need for me to point out the "teachers" in the video to you? Because, I guarantee you, I can!
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The only way for that to happen would be for the parents to give their consent to the field trip, the teacher could not just take the children from school.
 
cawacko said:
But do we want the government to regulate something of a fairness doctrine for parents to force them to give both sides to their kids? I sure don't.

If teachers took kids out of class to protest at the Capital I 100% disagree with that. If a parent decides they want to take their kids on their own time to the Capital to join the teachers in protest I cannot argue with that. I certainly wouldn't do it but I can't tell another parent not to.
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The teachers just can't remove children from class rooms! They would be fired for doing such.
 
Onceler said:
You want it both ways, depending on who you're arguing with. You even grabbed the Dixie quote referring to the video.

Could you be any more dishonest?
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how is dishonest to claim dixie did not limit the discussion solely to elementary kids? oh wait...its not, its just more of onceler lies.

i have never know a bigger liar than you. really.
 
Damocles said:
BTW - news reports that I am hearing say they brought kids from their class to whom they provided chants.
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Here's one of your first posts from this thread...your own words say it all...you were obviously discussing the children from the OP.

Damocles said:
The conversation progressed and became a more general discussion about whether any students were being brought at all. I stated that I saw video on the news that had students saying they were brought by their teachers. I provided video of students saying they were brought by their teachers.

Thanks for the advice, but on JPP we allow conversations to go without forcing people to stay within the boundaries set by Zappa. You'll have to learn to deal with that.
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Now, my breach of JPP etiquette notwithstanding, I was factually correct.

The students being discussed in the OP, and by you, are NOT the same children as the children in the latest video you supplied.

YOU claimed you had video of the children in the OP....YOU then provided video of DIFFERENT children...

So...how long we going to have to wait for video which proves your allegation they were "provided chants"?
 
cawacko said:
These kids look like they are 8, 9 and 10 years old. I can't imagine they are going to fully understand budgets and pension reform. I would also think or hope teachers would be focused on teaching kids the basic fundamentals in class and not spending time on an issue like this.

I would think that if a teacher spent time in class trying to brainwash their kids regarding the teachers side one of the parents would find out and have a national megaphone to complain about it.
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The lesson should be age appropriate. The younger children, you don't get into great depth, you tell them that mom and dad don't agree with the Governor's decisions and that is why you come to protest. You explain that is how our nation was created and it is a right in our country. It can be a basic civics lesson. The older children of course can be told the nuts and bolts.

A parent must make most moments in life a teaching moment!
 
Dixie said:
You know what, I am getting really tired of "PROVE IT" from liberals. Your dialogue follows the exact same pattern, you spew liberal propaganda and rhetoric until someone challenges you, then you switch to personal attacks, and whenever credible and accurate info is presented, you holler "PROVE IT!" ...or "LINK?" When the proof is presented, you either run away, ignore it and try to change the subject, revert to the personal attacks again, or you just start over posting liberal propaganda and rhetoric! We never get anywhere with "PROVE IT!" So, why should any of us continue to do it?

No, I think I have a better idea... Come November of 2012, we're all going to the polls to vote, and we will send the liberals home for good, after which, we can dismantle the Department of Education completely, and return to state-run schools, like it used to be. We don't need to have dialogue with you people, we don't need to "PROVE" any damn thing!
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This is hyperbolicious! :good4u:
 
NigelTufnel said:
Actually, Damo. You posted some comment about indoctrination. Mott called you out by specifically referring to the children depicted in the video posted by Dixie and saying that he sees some kids supporting their parents. Then you claimed that the children in the video were brought from class and that you seen it on CNN. From there several people called out your bullshit and asked for substantiation of your claim regarding the video and you shucked and jived until you posted a completely different video.

That's what happened. Just man up and admit it.
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Actually Damo said he had seen video that proved the students were brought by their teachers and provided with chants...
 
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