Texas: Where rape ain't necessarily a jailable offence

zappasguitar

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Gotta love them God fearin, small town Texans and their LOVE of justice...

Some in Texas town blaming young girl in assault

By JUAN A. LOZANO Associated Press © 2011 The Associated Press
March 11, 2011, 7:57AM


CLEVELAND, Texas — A meeting Thursday night that was billed as a way to discuss concerns some have about the investigation into a series of alleged sexual assaults on an 11-year-old girl turned into a forum that many used to blame the girl police contend is the victim of heinous attacks.

Many who attended the meeting said they supported the group of men and boys who have been charged in the case. Supporters didn't claim that the men and boys did not have sex with the young girl; instead they blamed the girl for the way she dressed or claimed she must have lied about her age — accusations that have drawn strong responses from those who note an 11-year-old cannot consent to sex and that it doesn't matter how she was dressed.

Other people in this small town about 40 miles northeast of Houston said earlier this week they were outraged by the attacks. The age of consent in Texas is 17 and ignorance of a girl's age is not a legal defense.

"She's 11 years old. It shouldn't have happened. That's a child," Oscar Carter, 56, who is related to an uncle of one 16-year-old charged in the case, said in an interview earlier in the week. "Somebody should have said what we are doing is wrong."

Police say the girl was sexually assaulted during several attacks last year. Authorities have arrested 18 people, including two of Cleveland's star high school athletes and adults with criminal records. They face assault and abuse charges.

Authorities began investigating in December after a friend of the girl told a teacher he had seen a lurid cell phone video that showed the girl being raped.

Police investigators determined it was recorded inside an abandoned mobile home on the city's northern outskirts. The girl told investigators she was raped on Nov. 28, first at a house near the mobile home and then at the trailer.

Indictments in the case allege that before the Nov. 28 attack, the girl also was assaulted on Sept. 15 and Oct. 25. Each of those times, at least two individuals were involved.

Thursday's meeting was led by Quanell X, an activist prominent in Houston's black community. He told the audience of more than 130 people who had packed a small community center that the gathering's goal was not to criticize the girl but to question the investigation by police, although he did question why she didn't report the attack to authorities herself.

"I did not come here this evening to jump on an 11-year-old girl," he said.

The activist, who was invited to speak by a local pastor, said he was concerned that only young black men had been arrested. He said he believed some of those arrested were guilty but that others were not. He told those in attendance that if they were questioned by police about the case that they should only talk to police with a lawyer present.

During the meeting, Quanell X also asked people to donate money to the defense funds for two of those arrested in the case.

After the meeting, many in attendance told reporters that the girl had consented to the sex.

"She lied about her age. Them boys didn't rape her. She wanted this to happen. I'm not taking nobody's side, but if she hadn't put herself in that predicament, this would have never happened," said Angie Woods, who lives in Houston but grew up in Cleveland.

The AP was unable to locate the family this week, but her mother has told The Houston Chronicle that Child Protective Services placed the girl in a foster home with restricted access to her family.
 
Kind of interesting the racial component of this. Based on your comment I would surmise most are thinking these were some white rednecks. Turns out the supposive perpatrators (sp) were black and the prominent people questioning the girl were black as well. That's not to say what you wrote was inaccurate. Many blacks are God fearing and there are many blacks that live in small towns in Texas. As far as their LOVE of justice as you say considering how some blacks have been treated in Texas by the justice system before I'm not sure if your point is that they want to turn the tables and get off as guilty whites have before.
 
Kind of interesting the racial component of this. Based on your comment I would surmise most are thinking these were some white rednecks. Turns out the supposive perpatrators (sp) were black and the prominent people questioning the girl were black as well. That's not to say what you wrote was inaccurate. Many blacks are God fearing and there are many blacks that live in small towns in Texas. As far as their LOVE of justice as you say considering how some blacks have been treated in Texas by the justice system before I'm not sure if your point is that they want to turn the tables and get off as guilty whites have before.

yep...i have no doubt zappa thinks the perps are white. he would have never posted this if he knew they were black. his first sentence says it all.
 
Kind of interesting the racial component of this. Based on your comment I would surmise most are thinking these were some white rednecks. Turns out the supposive perpatrators (sp) were black and the prominent people questioning the girl were black as well. That's not to say what you wrote was inaccurate. Many blacks are God fearing and there are many blacks that live in small towns in Texas. As far as their LOVE of justice as you say considering how some blacks have been treated in Texas by the justice system before I'm not sure if your point is that they want to turn the tables and get off as guilty whites have before.

Well, that's what you and Yurt get when you both ASSume...now you look just as foolish as he does.

This town is roughly 40 miles from Houston and we've been following the story locally since the HOLIDAYS.

I knew exactly what the racial makeup of the attackers was...but you both go right on ASSuming. It allows Yurt to go on lying and you to continue marginalizing anything posted by a Liberal.
 
LOL...i say the same thing as cawacko, but i'm lying and cawacko is not...it is not a lie...its my OPINION that you didn't know the racial make up...i'm confident i'm right

what a pussy zappygetard :)
 
LOL...i say the same thing as cawacko, but i'm lying and cawacko is not...it is not a lie...its my OPINION that you didn't know the racial make up...i'm confident i'm right

what a pussy zappygetard :)


Zappa is a local and you are not, so he is more likely to know about the situation, don't you think?
 
LOL...i say the same thing as cawacko, but i'm lying and cawacko is not...it is not a lie...its my OPINION that you didn't know the racial make up...i'm confident i'm right

what a pussy zappygetard :)

And that's how we know you are lying.

This story has been on every single network's local news DOZENS of times since the incident occurred.

The attackers pictures have been shown over and over and their names; Isaiah Rashard Ross, Timothyn Daray Ellis, Rayford Tyrone Ellis Jr., Jamarcus Norris Napper, Cedrick Deray Scott also provide clues as to the makeup of the attackers.

But you go right on sticking that big ol stupid foot in your mouth...ROFL
 
And that's how we know you are lying.

This story has been on every single network's local news DOZENS of times since the incident occurred.

The attackers pictures have been shown over and over and their names; Isaiah Rashard Ross, Timothyn Daray Ellis, Rayford Tyrone Ellis Jr., Jamarcus Norris Napper, Cedrick Deray Scott also provide clues as to the makeup of the attackers.

Sounds to me like a bunch of redneck white cowboy dudes....


Timothyn ???
Rayford-Tyrone ???
Jamarcus ???

huh....what...??? No Lemonjello....thats pronounced, La-mon-ja-lo
:palm:
 
Well, that's what you and Yurt get when you both ASSume...now you look just as foolish as he does.

This town is roughly 40 miles from Houston and we've been following the story locally since the HOLIDAYS.

I knew exactly what the racial makeup of the attackers was...but you both go right on ASSuming. It allows Yurt to go on lying and you to continue marginalizing anything posted by a Liberal.

I can't deny that I do make assumptions and I've looked like an ass many times before by doing so. But I'm not smart enough or just haven't figured out yet to know how to make myself not make initial assumptions whether its reading something or being in a particular situation.

If a right-leaning poster starts a thread with Obama in the title I don't think it's unreasonable if someone's initial reaction or assumption might be it is probably going to be a negative article/comment about Obama. Doesn't mean it always going to be the case but I don't think someone is out of line for thinking that.

I admit that yes seeing you as the poster and mentioning god fearing folks in a small town in Texas who LOVE justice my first thought was these were some good ole (white) Southern boys you were talking about. It's not exactly a secret white folks have gotten away with things in Texas they legally should not have been able to. So yes I was surprised it was black folks the article was referring to.
 
I can't deny that I do make assumptions and I've looked like an ass many times before by doing so. But I'm not smart enough or just haven't figured out yet to know how to make myself not make initial assumptions whether its reading something or being in a particular situation.

If a right-leaning poster starts a thread with Obama in the title I don't think it's unreasonable if someone's initial reaction or assumption might be it is probably going to be a negative article/comment about Obama. Doesn't mean it always going to be the case but I don't think someone is out of line for thinking that.

I admit that yes seeing you as the poster and mentioning god fearing folks in a small town in Texas who LOVE justice my first thought was these were some good ole (white) Southern boys you were talking about. It's not exactly a secret white folks have gotten away with things in Texas they legally should not have been able to. So yes I was surprised it was black folks the article was referring to.

A very honest, reasoned response. Anyone who has been posting here for awhile would be hard-pressed not to have some assumptions for most posters & threads.

Personally, I just hate the "she was askin' for it" rationale that still seems to come up in rape cases....
 
A very honest, reasoned response. Anyone who has been posting here for awhile would be hard-pressed not to have some assumptions for most posters & threads.

Personally, I just hate the "she was askin' for it" rationale that still seems to come up in rape cases....

And that is what seperats reasonable posters like ol wacko from the asswipe partisan hacks like Yurt.

Wacko can admit when he's wrong...I have admitted when I was wrong in the past...

...but where is Yurt when it's shown to all that his partisan hate caused him to JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS?
 
I can't deny that I do make assumptions and I've looked like an ass many times before by doing so. But I'm not smart enough or just haven't figured out yet to know how to make myself not make initial assumptions whether its reading something or being in a particular situation.

If a right-leaning poster starts a thread with Obama in the title I don't think it's unreasonable if someone's initial reaction or assumption might be it is probably going to be a negative article/comment about Obama. Doesn't mean it always going to be the case but I don't think someone is out of line for thinking that.

I admit that yes seeing you as the poster and mentioning god fearing folks in a small town in Texas who LOVE justice my first thought was these were some good ole (white) Southern boys you were talking about. It's not exactly a secret white folks have gotten away with things in Texas they legally should not have been able to. So yes I was surprised it was black folks the article was referring to.


Okay...taking a tiny step back...here's where I think we got our wires crossed.

Like I said...this story's been covered in the local press for MONTHS now...and during the first several reports, there was a bit of info included that claimed that the guys who did the raping actually used their phones to video the attacks and were showing them off to others at school.

At the same time, the police released the mug shots of those they had already arrested...MY comment was aimed at the fact that, even after the rapists gloated to their friends and showed off their "home movies" of the attacks, some ridiculous parents were trying to shift blame from the attackers to the girl...and THAT IS TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS!

These are the very same parents that would be screaming to high heaven if they thought some "racist" white man tried to pull one over on them, but here they are trying to cover up the sickening crime their kids committed.
 
A very honest, reasoned response. Anyone who has been posting here for awhile would be hard-pressed not to have some assumptions for most posters & threads.

Personally, I just hate the "she was askin' for it" rationale that still seems to come up in rape cases....

I would have to say that, dressing foolishly makes you a target. I would encourage this kind of common sense to be taught to women and daughters. That said, there is never an excuse for rape. It is an evil crime, and it is evil regardless of whether the victim is wearing a habit, a business suit, a hoodie and sweats, a dinner dress, or beach attire, etc.
 
Zappa is a local and you are not, so he is more likely to know about the situation, don't you think?

no. zappa's first sentence, IMO, clearly shows he thought they were white rednecks. he uses the same words when bashing white christians. i'm confident i am corrrect, especially in light of zappa's history.
 
Okay...taking a tiny step back...here's where I think we got our wires crossed.

Like I said...this story's been covered in the local press for MONTHS now...and during the first several reports, there was a bit of info included that claimed that the guys who did the raping actually used their phones to video the attacks and were showing them off to others at school.

At the same time, the police released the mug shots of those they had already arrested...MY comment was aimed at the fact that, even after the rapists gloated to their friends and showed off their "home movies" of the attacks, some ridiculous parents were trying to shift blame from the attackers to the girl...and THAT IS TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS!

These are the very same parents that would be screaming to high heaven if they thought some "racist" white man tried to pull one over on them, but here they are trying to cover up the sickening crime their kids committed.

That was my fault we got crossed up. I agree with you 100% it is disgusting what these parents are doing. Comments like that literally get your blood boiling.
 
And that's how we know you are lying.

This story has been on every single network's local news DOZENS of times since the incident occurred.

The attackers pictures have been shown over and over and their names; Isaiah Rashard Ross, Timothyn Daray Ellis, Rayford Tyrone Ellis Jr., Jamarcus Norris Napper, Cedrick Deray Scott also provide clues as to the makeup of the attackers.

But you go right on sticking that big ol stupid foot in your mouth...ROFL

why isn't cawacko lying? why is he only " marginalizing"....

you're such a whiner. its only lying because you don't like me...cawacko says the same thing and he is only marginalizing.

i am confident you thought they were white.
 
And that is what seperats reasonable posters like ol wacko from the asswipe partisan hacks like Yurt.

Wacko can admit when he's wrong...I have admitted when I was wrong in the past...

...but where is Yurt when it's shown to all that his partisan hate caused him to JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS?

see ^...still bitching about me, but basically ignoring cawacko, despite the fact he came to the same conclusion i did. its only lying because you hate me. cawacko is merely "wrong"

LOL...once again, you prove you're a liar
 
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