Wis. Dems to return after Senate strips bargaining

Superfreak said:
Once people realize what is in the bill, they will start liking it more and more each day. The Reps just needed to pass it so that people could see what was in it and thus like it more.
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Yea....typical GOP reasoning. If you keep telling your self something often enough it will become true.
 
cawacko said:
Mott he was mocking Nancy Pelosi's line about the health care reform bill.
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You take the fun out of mocking Mott by spelling it out for him. Now he will just hide in embarrassment rather than follow up with more stupidity.

Stupid USC grad.... taking my fun away.
 
Huge victory for Scott Walker. He took a big gamble and won. This took more balls than 99% of GOP leaders have. :good4u:
 
Damn Yankee said:
Huge victory for Scott Walker. He took a big gamble and won. This took more balls than 99% of GOP leaders have. :good4u:
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Not sure I agree that it was a huge victory for him. If the plan was to go this route they would have been better served by doing it the day the Democrats skipped town as opposed to after all the hullabaloo, the potential recall of several GOP senators and Wlaker's approval ratings tanking. It may well work out for him in the end, but that is less than clear at this point.

Moreover, in using this particular procedural mechanism the Republicans have either conceded that collective bargaining has nothing to do with fiscal issues and they are completely full of shit or they are right and collective bargaining is a fiscal issue and their maneuver will be invalidated because it does and no quorum was present.
 
Superfreak said:
You take the fun out of mocking Mott by spelling it out for him. Now he will just hide in embarrassment rather than follow up with more stupidity.

Stupid USC grad.... taking my fun away.
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While ruining any fun for SF is definitely a victory please tell me Mott you knew that was Pelosi's line he was using and you weren't serious with your comment.

Because otherwise I really did f up.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Not sure I agree that it was a huge victory for him. If the plan was to go this route they would have been better served by doing it the day the Democrats skipped town as opposed to after all the hullabaloo, the potential recall of several GOP senators and Wlaker's approval ratings tanking. It may well work out for him in the end, but that is less than clear at this point.

Moreover, in using this particular procedural mechanism the Republicans have either conceded that collective bargaining has nothing to do with fiscal issues and they are completely full of shit or they are right and collective bargaining is a fiscal issue and their maneuver will be invalidated because it does and no quorum was present.
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I agree with you in that it is WAY to early to tell if this was a 'win' or not.

I disagree that this somehow shows that collective bargaining has nothing to do with fiscal issues. This maneuver has nothing to do with whether it is about fiscal responsibility. It was a way to get this portion passed while at the same time getting the fleebaggers back to WI to actually work on the rest of the budgetary problems facing WI.
 
Superfreak said:
I agree with you in that it is WAY to early to tell if this was a 'win' or not.

I disagree that this somehow shows that collective bargaining has nothing to do with fiscal issues. This maneuver has nothing to do with whether it is about fiscal responsibility. It was a way to get this portion passed while at the same time getting the fleebaggers back to WI to actually work on the rest of the budgetary problems facing WI.
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Of course this maneuver has to do with whether collective bargaining has to do with fiscal issues. Under the Wisconsin Constitution, the Republicans could only proceed without the Democrats is on non-fiscal issues.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Of course this maneuver has to do with whether collective bargaining has to do with fiscal issues. Under the Wisconsin Constitution, the Republicans could only proceed without the Democrats is on non-fiscal issues.
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ok... I see your point on the technicality of the issue.

That said... it still has huge fiscal implications for the future.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Not sure I agree that it was a huge victory for him. If the plan was to go this route they would have been better served by doing it the day the Democrats skipped town as opposed to after all the hullabaloo, the potential recall of several GOP senators and Wlaker's approval ratings tanking. It may well work out for him in the end, but that is less than clear at this point.

Moreover, in using this particular procedural mechanism the Republicans have either conceded that collective bargaining has nothing to do with fiscal issues and they are completely full of shit or they are right and collective bargaining is a fiscal issue and their maneuver will be invalidated because it does and no quorum was present.
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I expect it took them till now to do it because it took them until now to think of it.....
 
NigelTufnel said:
Not sure I agree that it was a huge victory for him. If the plan was to go this route they would have been better served by doing it the day the Democrats skipped town as opposed to after all the hullabaloo, the potential recall of several GOP senators and Wlaker's approval ratings tanking. It may well work out for him in the end, but that is less than clear at this point.
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I disagree. In order to get his approval ratings down the union bosses had to waste a lot of time and money, and I'm sure their minions on the street had to tell a lot of lies. Plus the Democrats who took off for two weeks look like fools for skipping out on their jobs. When your enemy is destroying himself then let him.
 
Yurt said:
Wis. Dems to return after Senate strips bargaining

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — The leader of Democrats in the Wisconsin Senate says his caucus will return to the state on Thursday after Republicans voted Wednesday night to strip nearly all collective bargaining rights from public workers after discovering a way to bypass the chamber's missing Democrats.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-03-09-wisconsin-unions-senate_N.htm

lmao...the dems love these kind of games when they are in power...now the tables are turned and...ooops

in reality, the dems should have NEVER left. then these games, whether constitutional or not, would not have to be played. but when you run away from your responsibilities like a two year old, then expect be treated like a two year old.

elections have consequences....remember that dems....don't forget, you can come along for the ride, but you have to sit in the back

ouch!
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Elections have consequences Yurt...they didn't in 2008. Republicans refused to participate and used words like 'Insurgency' and handing Obama his Waterloo. When Republicans were in the minority you right wingers cited POLLS as the will of the people, not elections.

Now, in Wisconsin the POLLS are strongly against Walker and the Republicans, but that is now ignored.

What stands out to me is when Democrats are the majority we hear words like big government and overbearing government. NOW, all we hear is cheering FOR big, overbearing government. There is nothing Republicans can do that will draw the ire of the right. The more forceful and dictatorial, the more you right wingers cheer and embrace government.
 
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
This is absolutely amusing.

Police haul dozens of protesters from Wisconsin Capitol before Assembly vote on union bill03-10-2011 10:57 AM MST |By DINESH RAMDE, Associated Press
Police carried dozens of protesters from a hallway leading to the Wisconsin Assembly on Thursday as Democratic representatives pounded on the locked door of the chamber, demanding to be let in to the room where a vote was scheduled on an explosive bill that would take away public workers' collective bargaining rights.

At least 100 protesters packed the hallway, pounding drums, while the Democratic representatives gathered in front of the doors, which were opened just before 11:30 a.m. At least 50 protesters were carried out by police, and the building was locked down briefly while officers did a security review.

Rallies against the bill have attracted thousands of protesters to the Capitol over the past several weeks. A vote on it had been held up after 14 Democratic senators fled to Illinois three weeks ago, leaving that chamber one short of the 20 members needed to take up any measures that spend money.

Republicans got around that Wednesday by using an unexpected but simple procedural move to remove all spending measures from Gov. Scott Walker's collective bargaining legislation and voting to approve it without Democrats present.

About 200 people spent the night in the Capitol in protest over the Senate's swift and unexpected passage of the bill.

With the Assembly's vote scheduled for 11 a.m., dozens of Democratic representatives showed up to find the doors to the chamber locked.

"What more egregious, illegal, unethical step can be taken to prevent democracy in Wisconsin?" asked Rep. Donna Seidel, D-Wausau, as she pounded on the door along with her colleagues.

With the Assembly empty, it was not clear where Republican lawmakers were. They showed up and began to file after the doors were opened.

Police began clearing protesters out about an hour before the scheduled vote. Danny Spitzberg, 26, a graduate student at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, said officers gave protesters little explanation for why they needed to leave. He walked out on his own after being ordered to leave, but others were dragged through the hall.

"This is grossly undemocratic, it stinks up the whole process," Spitzberg said.
 
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