Are whites racially oppressed?

[Taichiliberal]

Affirmative Action = racial discrimination against white people.

Thats how white people are oppressed.

Look up the word "oppression", genius. Then explain to us all how YOU were "oppressed" via affirmative action....or the hundred of thousands of caucasian kiddies that graduated from colleges and universities since affirmative action was enacted were (or are) being "oppressed".

 

[Southern Chicken]

Numerical goals? Again, when applying for a state position, there are state tests and applications-from these, lists are developed. States have legal requirements created by Affirmative Action policy that require them to hire specific racial quotas-in addition to this mandatory hiring practice, the state is further incentivized to hire minorities. It is NOT uncommon for several top tier candidates to be passed over because they are white and they are male.

So are you saying that minorities are not as intelligent or as qualified enough as to meet the same criteria(s) as white(s)? Hmmmm, I just want to know where youre coming from on this...(Not calling you a Racist or anything) Can YOU provide evidence where "several top tier candidates to be passed over because they are white and they are male"?

If so LINK US UP to some stats......If not youre offering us an opinion(as AZZHAT does on this subject). Some people are going to believe me, some are not. I can't change that no matter how much information I provide. No matter what scenarios I offer, people will continue to believe what they want to believe, and there's really no way to debate with anyone who refuses to question what they THINK they know about something (which is usually based solely on assumptions). Again AA is not a hand out as you would have people think. It is a program to assist minorities with the qualifications that companies seek have an equal ACCESS at the position.

There is little evidence to support your notion that something needs to be "put in place" to prevent racial discrimination.

The "evidence" is that AA was created in the first place.

I say this because if we hire based on ability and qualifications and we take those same lists and start at the top then the process is focused not on color, but on qualifications and ability.

In a perfect world this may exist for the majority of cases but I got to tell you a little secret......Now pay attention...........RACISM STILL EXISTS TODAY.
A little fact that most people probably are unaware of: Veterans, women, and people with disabilities (if memory serves me correctly, this is referring to physical disabilities, such as those requiring the use of wheelchairs, etc.) are covered under AA. It's HARDLY just a black/white issue but the media and information strewn about and pawned off as "fact" sure would lead us to believe that it is.

Now, understand this, I will not respond to you again unless you get rid of the troll persona- it’s rather disturbing to see how far you go to hide.

I wont lose sleep being concerned over your responding to my post----
I will just follow my signature line below in reference to you.

 

[Southern Chicken]

The only problem i see is active institutionalized discrimination against white males. You say it doesnt create setasides or quotas, but it does. Whites are discriminated against due to race. That's not constitutional. Past injustice is not remedied by new, fresh injustice.

Link us to Stats and proof.

for example,
http://www.understandingprejudice.org/readroom/articles/affirm.htm

or

http://www.umkc.edu/diversity/faq-hiring.asp

"Further, the United States Department of Labor (DOL) has found that affirmative action programs do not lead to widespread reverse discrimination claims. It also found that a high proportion of claims that are filed lack merit. These findings refute the charge that affirmative action has helped minorities and women at the expense of white men. The DOL study found that fewer than 200 out of 3,000 discrimination cases filed involved reverse discrimination claims, and in only six cases were such claims substantiated."

 

[midcan5]

Elect one Black president and the loonies come out of the walls and cracks and holes. Almost too absurd and self centered for comment.

MYTH: Affirmative action is reverse discrimination, it gives preferential treatment to people of color and women.

FACT: Racism is power plus discrimination. The parameters of discrimination based on race are distinguished by the power dynamics. Reverse racism is not, therefore a reality if people of color are not in positions of power and perpetrating the discrimination. An Urban Institute study shows that less that 100 of 3000 cases could be considered reverse discrimination. Less that six of those cases were deemed by the court to be substantiated." http://www.now.org/issues/affirm/talking.html


Lee, Adolf and James, white republican, racist leader, and Black writer who was also gay.

"You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a by-product of them is blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.” Lee Atwater, Republican strategist Quoted in http://leiterreports.typepad.com/files/raritan-essay.pdf.

"What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator." Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8

"White children, in the main, and whether they are rich or poor, grow up with a grasp of reality so feeble that they can very accurately be described as deluded--about themselves and the world they live in. White people have managed to get through their entire lifetimes in this euphoric state, but black people have not been so lucky: a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac." James Baldwin

and Racial grammar: http://www.counterpunch.org/prashad05222008.html

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[Based Chad]

Elect one Black president and the loonies come out of the walls and cracks and holes. Almost too absurd and self centered for comment.

This has nothing to do with Obama being elected. Discrimination against white people was going on before that.

MYTH: Affirmative action is reverse discrimination, it gives preferential treatment to people of color and women.

It's not a myth. It is racial discrimination. It does give preferential treatment to people of color.

FACT: Racism is power plus discrimination. The parameters of discrimination based on race are distinguished by the power dynamics. Reverse racism is not, therefore a reality if people of color are not in positions of power and perpetrating the discrimination. An Urban Institute study shows that less that 100 of 3000 cases could be considered reverse discrimination. Less that six of those cases were deemed by the court to be substantiated." http://www.now.org/issues/affirm/talking.html

Power has nothing to do with discrimination. Additionally, Whoever is being discriminated against is the victim those doing it have the power.

There is no 'good' racial discrimination, regardless of your hilarious reframing attempts.

Lee, Adolf and James, white republican, racist leader, and Black writer who was also gay.

"You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a by-product of them is blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.” Lee Atwater, Republican strategist Quoted in http://leiterreports.typepad.com/files/raritan-essay.pdf.

There are many victims of the fascist military industrial financial complex, not just blacks. I am not for gutting the state.

"What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator." Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8

"White children, in the main, and whether they are rich or poor, grow up with a grasp of reality so feeble that they can very accurately be described as deluded--about themselves and the world they live in. White people have managed to get through their entire lifetimes in this euphoric state, but black people have not been so lucky: a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac." James Baldwin

and Racial grammar: http://www.counterpunch.org/prashad05222008.html

Amazon.com: When Affirmative Action Was White: An Untold History of Racial Inequality in Twentieth-Century America (9780393328516): Ira Katznelson: Books

Wanting to get rid of racial discrimination has nothing to do with hitler.

 

[DamnYankee]

Elect one Black president and the loonies come out of the walls and cracks and holes. Almost too absurd and self centered for comment.

MYTH: Affirmative action is reverse discrimination, it gives preferential treatment to people of color and women.

FACT: Racism is power plus discrimination. The parameters of discrimination based on race are distinguished by the power dynamics. Reverse racism is not, therefore a reality if people of color are not in positions of power and perpetrating the discrimination. An Urban Institute study shows that less that 100 of 3000 cases could be considered reverse discrimination. Less that six of those cases were deemed by the court to be substantiated." http://www.now.org/issues/affirm/talking.html


Lee, Adolf and James, white republican, racist leader, and Black writer who was also gay.

"You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a by-product of them is blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.” Lee Atwater, Republican strategist Quoted in http://leiterreports.typepad.com/files/raritan-essay.pdf.

"What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator." Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8

"White children, in the main, and whether they are rich or poor, grow up with a grasp of reality so feeble that they can very accurately be described as deluded--about themselves and the world they live in. White people have managed to get through their entire lifetimes in this euphoric state, but black people have not been so lucky: a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac." James Baldwin

and Racial grammar: http://www.counterpunch.org/prashad05222008.html

Amazon.com: When Affirmative Action Was White: An Untold History of Racial Inequality in Twentieth-Century America (9780393328516): Ira Katznelson: Books

The Democrat Party has a sordid history of racism, and the GOP has fought each and every tactic, from slavery to segregation to terrorism. Affirmative Action Forever has been the Democrat's most successful tactic, decimating the black family in ways that the KKK could only dream of.

 

[DamnYankee]

Dune, what did I state that is not factually correct?

 

[Southern Chicken]

Dune, what did I state that is not factually correct?

Well maybe he is trying to keep this about the actual topic of this thread instead of turning it into being a party hackfest.... .....You remember the topic, right? You know the Are white people(s) racially oppressed one?

 

[DamnYankee]

Well maybe he is trying to keep this about the actual topic of this thread instead of turning it into being a party hackfest.... .....You remember the topic, right? You know the Are white people(s) racially oppressed one?

I was responding to Midcan's post. You remember how to do that, right?

 

[Southern Chicken]

I was responding to Midcan's post. You remember how to do that, right?

Maybe you didnt remember how to address Midcan instead of Dune....Now show where Dune agreed to Midcan's post and I'll show you where he cosigned that your post was Un-USEFUL.....as in this topic!! You know that it is possible for him to exclusively disagree with your post, right?

 

[DamnYankee]

Maybe you didnt remember how to address Midcan instead of Dune....Now show where Dune agreed to Midcan's post and I'll show you where he cosigned that your post was Un-USEFUL.....as in this topic!! You know that it is possible for him to exclusively disagree with your post, right?

I'm not sure what Dune has to do with my responding to Midcan. Except of course that they have both shown themselves as nothing more than hit-and-run posters. The latest example for Dune is his inability to answer my question, which you as well are working hard to avoid.

 

[Southern Chicken]

I'm not sure what Dune has to do with my responding to Midcan. Except of course that they have both shown themselves as nothing more than hit-and-run posters. The latest example for Dune is his inability to answer my question, which you as well are working hard to avoid.

Sure provide evidence of how AA program use hate, fear of death, and violence(as in your KKK comparison) to decimate the black family. And I will get back with you.

Again from the link included in my post #83
"In truth, affirmative action programs have spanned nine different presidential administrations -- six Republican and three Democratic. Although the originating document of affirmative action was President Lyndon Johnson's Executive Order 11246, the policy was significantly expanded in 1969 by President Richard Nixon and then Secretary of Labor George Schultz. President George Bush also enthusiastically signed the Civil Rights Act of 1991, which formally endorsed the principle of affirmative action. Thus, affirmative action has traditionally enjoyed the support of Republicans as well as Democrats."


So ends your beating on the chest hackfest Conservative vs Liberal BS

 

[DamnYankee]

Sure provide evidence of how AA program use hate, fear of death, and violence(as in your KKK comparison) to decimate the black family. And I will get back with you.

Again from my post #83
"In truth, affirmative action programs have spanned nine different presidential administrations -- six Republican and three Democratic. Although the originating document of affirmative action was President Lyndon Johnson's Executive Order 11246, the policy was significantly expanded in 1969 by President Richard Nixon and then Secretary of Labor George Schultz. President George Bush also enthusiastically signed the Civil Rights Act of 1991, which formally endorsed the principle of affirmative action. Thus, affirmative action has traditionally enjoyed the support of Republicans as well as Democrats."

So ends your beating on the chest hackfest Conservative vs Liberal BS

You're mistaking Affirmative Action, originally supported by the GOP, with Affirmative Action Forever, now supported by the Democrat Party.

My KKK comparison was on the end result of Affirmative Action policies. The KKK wanted to keep blacks from being sucessful; AA has done that much more effectively than cross burnings and lynching could have. The amazing thing about ths strategy is that at the same time that Democrats are destroying the futures of so many blacks, blacks are lining up to support Democrats.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by midcan5
Elect one Black president and the loonies come out of the walls and cracks and holes. Almost too absurd and self centered for comment.

This has nothing to do with Obama being elected. Discrimination against white people was going on before that.

Please point out in the original Constitution or in American history were "white people" were considering a fraction of a human being...or were an Amendment had to be passed to reaffirm the rights under citizenship to "white people".

MYTH: Affirmative action is reverse discrimination, it gives preferential treatment to people of color and women.

It's not a myth. It is racial discrimination. It does give preferential treatment to people of color.

How so?

FACT: Racism is power plus discrimination. The parameters of discrimination based on race are distinguished by the power dynamics. Reverse racism is not, therefore a reality if people of color are not in positions of power and perpetrating the discrimination. An Urban Institute study shows that less that 100 of 3000 cases could be considered reverse discrimination. Less that six of those cases were deemed by the court to be substantiated." http://www.now.org/issues/affirm/talking.html

Power has nothing to do with discrimination. Additionally, Whoever is being discriminated against is the victim those doing it have the power.

Hence the person perpetraiting the "discrimination" has a decree of power to deny something to the victim.
There is no 'good' racial discrimination, regardless of your hilarious reframing attempts.

No one but YOU have said anything to that effect.

Lee, Adolf and James, white republican, racist leader, and Black writer who was also gay.

"You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a by-product of them is blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.” Lee Atwater, Republican strategist Quoted in http://leiterreports.typepad.com/fil...itan-essay.pdf.

There are many victims of the fascist military industrial financial complex, not just blacks. I am not for gutting the state.

Changing laws to guarantee a citizen equal rights under the Constitution and Bill of rights is not "gutting the state". Racism against black people in America is a matter of history and fact...or are you not aware of the Jim Crow Laws, or Nixon's "southern strategy", or "red lining"?

"What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator." Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8

"White children, in the main, and whether they are rich or poor, grow up with a grasp of reality so feeble that they can very accurately be described as deluded--about themselves and the world they live in. White people have managed to get through their entire lifetimes in this euphoric state, but black people have not been so lucky: a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac." James Baldwin

and Racial grammar: http://www.counterpunch.org/prashad05222008.html

Amazon.com: When Affirmative Action Was White: An Untold History of Racial Inequality in Twentieth-Century America (9780393328516): Ira Katznelson: Books

Wanting to get rid of racial discrimination has nothing to do with hitler.

Tell that to the Jewish survivors of the Holocaust and their family members.

Still waiting:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=784011&postcount=81

 

[Based Chad]

Still waiting:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=784011&postcount=81

Im not saying blacks weren't oppressed, im saying oppressing whites now is not a moral solution.

Whites can also be on the low end of the power equation when the HR dept is using its power to discriminate against whites.

Hitler was in favor of discrimination against jews like you are in favor of discrimination against whites.

Racial discrimination is not a solution to racial discrimination. It is racial discrimination itself, as you should already understand.

 

[Topspin]

I want to personally thank all the whiney racist whites for taking part.

 

[cawacko]

I want to personally thank all the whiney racist whites for taking part.

Hey I'll give board props to Azzhat. To my knowledge we have no idea where he lives, we have no idea what work he does or industry he is in, we can probably assume he is white but I don't think he has even actually said he is. We just know he is oppressed.

 

[Topspin]

Hey I'll give board props to Azzhat. To my knowledge we have no idea where he lives, we have no idea what work he does or industry he is in, we can probably assume he is white but I don't think he has even actually said he is. We just know he is oppressed.

Oh he's white, a data entry/programmer who's got 3 degrees. Each degree lead to an outsourcing. Change your major already.
Yes he's among the most comical and oppressed. Maybe he should be the only white man alive to recieve reparations.
Please noone boycott ITT because of azzhat.

 

[cawacko]

Oh he's white, a data entry/programmer who's got 3 degrees. Each degree lead to an outsourcing. Change your major already.
Yes he's among the most comical and oppressed. Maybe he should be the only white man alive to recieve reparations.
Please noone boycott ITT because of azzhat.

LMAO! Dave Chappelle did a sketch on black people getting reparations he ought to do one on Azzhat getting them. That would be funny as hell.

 

[Based Chad]

I want to personally thank all the whiney racist whites for taking part.

You still seem to have no argument or coherent point.