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bravo said:
36 years to be exact.....
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So you were content to take the bennies they offered you for over three decades. Your principles didn't trump your need to provide as best as possible for your family. You didn't quit and take a non-union job out of disapproval for the union, yet you'd criticize others who want the same things you had.
 
christiefan915 said:
So you were content to take the bennies they offered you for over three decades. Your principles didn't trump your need to provide as best as possible for your family. You didn't quit and take a non-union job out of disapproval for the union, yet you'd criticize others who want the same things you had.
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Or, he didn't have a choice. Why not give workers the option to join or not?
 
Damn Yankee said:
Or, he didn't have a choice. Why not give workers the option to join or not?
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He had the choice to join the union or find a non-union job and he opted for the former.

I don't have a problem with giving workers the option, as long as they understand what this means to them financially and otherwise.
 
christiefan915 said:
He had the choice to join the union or find a non-union job and he opted for the former.

I don't have a problem with giving workers the option, as long as they understand what this means to them financially and otherwise.
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I don't know his particular circumstances, but when I choose a job with the State I was forced to join their union. Why not give workers the choice to work where they want and select the union option or not? :)
 
Damn Yankee said:
I don't know his particular circumstances, but when I choose a job with the State I was forced to join their union. Why not give workers the choice to work where they want and select the union option or not? :)
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I don't know the fine points of the system.

If what you wrote happens, do the non-union workers get the same salary and benefits that were negotiated by the union? If not, can they claim discrimination?
 
christiefan915 said:
He had the choice to join the union or find a non-union job and he opted for the former.

I don't have a problem with giving workers the option, as long as they understand what this means to them financially and otherwise.
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I do. The unions work hard, pay a lot of money and make a lot of sacrifices to be able to collectively negotiate their wages, benefits and working conditions and then some free loaders want to enjoy the benefits of that collective bargaining with out paying there fair share? Fuck that! Why do you think it's called "paying your dues"?

Opting out schemes is just another right wing method of undermining collective bargaining rights.
 
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christiefan915 said:
I don't know the fine points of the system.

If what you wrote happens, do the non-union workers get the same salary and benefits that were negotiated by the union? If not, can they claim discrimination?
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There are no fine points of the current system. Either you take the job and pay dues to the union or not.

Under a free market system, you could either join the union, with its dues and set salary, or don't join, and negotiate your own salary. Why would you be against that?
 
When I worked a union job there was a guy hired the same time as me and he literally did nothing. This was the mid 80's, his family was wealthy and he was from Iran and got stuck over here due to the shah thing. His family money was locked up overseas and they kept telling him it was just a few months before they could release it. He knew the union rules would take a long time to fire him so he just milked the system as long as he could. It took them three years to shove his lazy ass out the door.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I do. The unions work hard, pay a lot of money and make a lot of sacrifices to be able to collectively negotiate their wages, benefits and working conditions and then some free loaders want to enjoy the benefits of that collective bargaining with out paying there fair share? Fuck that! Why do you think it's called "paying your dues"?

Opting out schemes is just another right wing method of undermining collective bargaining rights.
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And that was my question in post #70. If non-union people get exactly the same pay and benefits that union workers do, then I can't support that.
 
Damn Yankee said:
There are no fine points of the current system. Either you take the job and pay dues to the union or not.

Under a free market system, you could either join the union, with its dues and set salary, or don't join, and negotiate your own salary. Why would you be against that?
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Cause their free loading off the efforts of the union workers and it permits employers to easily undermine collective bargaining. You can't have collective bargaining and opt out.
 
christiefan915 said:
And that was my question in post #70. If non-union people get exactly the same pay and benefits that union workers do, then I can't support that.
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Exactly but don't forget that DY could give a flying fuck less about that. He only cares about undermining collective bargaining rights and could care less about who is getting paid what for which job.
 
dems must fight on, the working man in this country is of more value that what ever the shannanigans going on in Af-fuckitstan
 
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