Colin Powell demands answers over Curveball's WMD lies

bravo said:
There is much more convincing evidence that the Bush Administration lied about these imaginary bio-labs a few months after the fall of Saddam....
But that is lies after the war .... not before.
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With a memory like yours, sailor, I am surprised you ever found your way home.

Left hand down a bit, helmsman.
Left hand down a bit it is, sir.
Where are we navigator?
I think we are somewhere off...off... off a big bit of land, sir.
Carry on.
 
C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.

http://downingstreetmemo.com/memos.html
 
"the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

People need to think about that conclusion for awhile. British intel isn't the only group to say that, either. Paul O'Neil, a Senate investigation, Colin Powell's top aide...anyone who watched this thing transpires understands that - let's say it again - the intelligence & facts were being FIXED AROUND THE POLICY.

We didn't have a President who tried to avoid war at all costs, who saw it as a last resort. We had a President who decided to go to war, and then cherrypicked what facts he could (or not, in the case of Curveball) to make the case to the public.
 
Lowaicue said:
With a memory like yours, sailor, I am surprised you ever found your way home.

Left hand down a bit, helmsman.
Left hand down a bit it is, sir.
Where are we navigator?
I think we are somewhere off...off... off a big bit of land, sir.
Carry on.
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Its not MY memory....this comes from the Guardian in the UK....maybe that source sux too....you ought to know.
 
Onceler said:
"the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

People need to think about that conclusion for awhile. British intel isn't the only group to say that, either. Paul O'Neil, a Senate investigation, Colin Powell's top aide...anyone who watched this thing transpires understands that - let's say it again - the intelligence & facts were being FIXED AROUND THE POLICY.

This was the conclusion of British intell. and the others (O'Neil, etc.) just jumped on the bandwagon..coincidentally, all defenders of Powell...

We didn't have a President who tried to avoid war at all costs, who saw it as a last resort. We had a President who decided to go to war, and then cherrypicked what facts he could (or not, in the case of Curveball) to make the case to the public.
Thats your opinion...mine is, there would have been was even if curveball never existed....
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Pointing out historical fact is not the same as defending Bush, though it may seem that way.

Oct. NIE....

The NIE is intell from about 15 different intelligence agencys....here it is, READ THE fuckin' thing...this is essentially the same conclusions about Iraq and Saddam that was believed since 1996 and the reason for numerous resolutions passed by the UN, unanimously.....

You need to think about those FACTS for awhile
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Then tell me...are you saying that Bush dictated the NIE? That he ordered all 15 intell. agencys to say what he wanted to hear....he was the mastermind behind the NIE presented in 10/2002 ? Read the NIE and then explain exactly WTF Bush lied about, other than taking "curveballs" false intell. seriously when he should have known it was "not verified".......and realize, "not verified" does not mean "false"...

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jksonc/docs/nie-iraq-wmd.html
 
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bravo said:
Oct. NIE....

The NIE is intell from about 15 different intelligence agencys....here it is, READ THE fuckin' thing...this is essentially the same conclusions about Iraq and Saddam that was believed since 1996 and the reason for numerous resolutions passed by the UN, unanimously.....

You need to think about those FACTS for awhile
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Then tell me...are you saying that Bush dictated the NIE? That he ordered all 15 intell. agencys to say what he wanted to hear....he ios the mastermind behind the NIE presented in 10/2002 ?

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jksonc/docs/nie-iraq-wmd.html
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It actually makes me a little sick listening to Bush apologists like you. Everything I wrote is 100% correct. Downing St., British intel, Paul O'Neil, Colin Powell's top aide, a Senate investigation - the INTEL WAS BEING FIXED AROUND THE POLICY.

What about that don't you understand? We had a Prez who decided to go to war, and then cherrypicked to make the case.
 
Onceler said:
It actually makes me a little sick listening to Bush apologists like you. Everything I wrote is 100% correct. Downing St., British intel, Paul O'Neil, Colin Powell's top aide, a Senate investigation - the INTEL WAS BEING FIXED AROUND THE POLICY.

What about that don't you understand? We had a Prez who decided to go to war, and then cherrypicked to make the case.
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And everything I wrote is 100% correct....and it makes me more than a little sick listening to pinheads that refuse to see the bigger picture of what transpired over a decade of bullshit about Saddam...you ignore
The official documents like the NIE reports...the findings of the Senate Intelligence Committee and their conclusions after an investigation, etc...

Its your mind that is made up and won't consider other FACT that doesn't dovetail to your simple minded conclusion...Bush lied.

You don't address anything I presented, you just ignore it as I expected you would.
 
Onceler said:
It actually makes me a little sick listening to Bush apologists like you. Everything I wrote is 100% correct. Downing St., British intel, Paul O'Neil, Colin Powell's top aide, a Senate investigation - the INTEL WAS BEING FIXED AROUND THE POLICY.

What about that don't you understand? We had a Prez who decided to go to war, and then cherrypicked to make the case.
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You mention the Senate Investigation?

I don't know which one your talking about but here are some quotes you might read...

Transcript: Senate Intelligence Committee Report
Quote:
"Now, the debate over many aspects of the U.S. liberation of Iraq will likely continue for decades, but one fact is now clear: Before the war, the U.S. intelligence community told the president, as well as the Congress and the public, that Saddam Hussein had stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons and if left unchecked would probably have a nuclear weapon during this decade."

"Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear program. Iraq has chemical and biological weapons. Iraq was developing an unmanned aerial vehicle, a UAV, probably intended to deliver biological warfare agents. And all key aspects, research and development and production, of Iraq’s offensive biological weapons program are active, and that most elements are larger and more advanced than they were before the Gulf War."

Now, these are very emphatic statements. Simply put, they were not supported by the intelligence which the community supplied to the committee, and they should not have been included in the NIE.

While we did not specifically address it in our report, it is clear that this group-think also extended to our allies and to the United Nations and several other nations as well, all of whom did believe the Saddam Hussein had active WMD programs. This was a global intelligence failure.

Fourth, the committee concluded that in a few significant instances the analysis in the NIE suffered what we call a layering effect. Assessments were built or were based on previous judgments without carrying forward the uncertainty of those judgments. This is what we have termed the intelligence assumption train.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38650-2004Jul9.html
 
bravo said:
Its not MY memory....this comes from the Guardian in the UK....maybe that source sux too....you ought to know.
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Well, surely you would not quote a source unless you were convinced it was accurate.....


Didn't we come in here?
 
Onceler said:
"the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

People need to think about that conclusion for awhile. British intel isn't the only group to say that, either. Paul O'Neil, a Senate investigation, Colin Powell's top aide...anyone who watched this thing transpires understands that - let's say it again - the intelligence & facts were being FIXED AROUND THE POLICY.

We didn't have a President who tried to avoid war at all costs, who saw it as a last resort. We had a President who decided to go to war, and then cherrypicked what facts he could (or not, in the case of Curveball) to make the case to the public.
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Paul O'Neill didn't last long after he began to uncover all the lies and distortions and speak out about them. The man deserves a medal.
 
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