It's Going Down In Wisconsin

You hate teachers, okay, I get it.

I was a teacher, when they came for me you did nothing.
I was a SEIU member, when they came for me you did nothing.
I was an IAU member, when they came for me you did nothing.
Then we noticed things were looking pretty good, so we all did nothing.....
 
and if they didn't do it, some liberal would later say "oh, the Republicans controlled the administrative and legislative branches in 2011 and THEY didn't solve the problem, did they!"..........

There was no problem. Walker came into office with a surplus, which he immediately spent on the special interests of lobbyists. Then, HE created a trumped up financial crisis as a ploy to bust unions...but NOT the union who supported him in the 2010 election.
 
it's sad bo ho, teachers getting lavish benefits cut. Guess what we are all getting our SS cut. And if your in the public sector or not in the top 20% corp sector your pension too will likely be goughed.
 
it's sad bo ho, teachers getting lavish benefits cut. Guess what we are all getting our SS cut. And if your in the public sector or not in the top 20% corp sector your pension too will likely be goughed.

The unions were willing to negotiate wage and benefits. THIS is about busting the union and taking away their RIGHT to collective bargaining.

It is going on in other states with Republican Governors...it is a collective effort to castrate unions and the Democratic Party who always stands with the middle class and working families.
 
it's sad bo ho, teachers getting lavish benefits cut. Guess what we are all getting our SS cut. And if your in the public sector or not in the top 20% corp sector your pension too will likely be goughed.

true 'nuf.....as I understand it Wisconsin teachers contribute 0% toward their pensions, less than 3% toward benefits......the head of the teachers union was saying yesterday that this could costs the average teacher between $300 and $600 a year.....the governor asked them to take cuts so they wouldn't have to fire some teachers next year.....the unions refused and the Dems are hiding in Rockford to keep teachers from losing $600.....and people wonder why the Dems lost Wisconsin elections.....
 
document, please....he's only been in office six weeks.....

Post #16...you need to pay attention. I will help you this time, but I'm not your mommy.

Walker gins up ‘crisis’ to reward cronies

Wisconsin needs to be fiscally responsible.

There is no question that these are tough times, and they may require tough choices.

But Gov. Scott Walker is not making tough choices. He is making political choices, and they are designed not to balance budgets but to improve his political position and that of his party.

It is for this reason that the governor claims Wisconsin is in such deep financial trouble that Wisconsinites should view this as a crisis moment.

In fact, like just about every other state in the country, Wisconsin is managing in a weak economy. The difference is that Wisconsin is managing better -- or at least it had been managing better until Walker took over. Despite shortfalls in revenue following the economic downturn that hit its peak with the Bush-era stock market collapse, the state has balanced budgets, maintained basic services and high-quality schools, and kept employment and business development steadier than the rest of the country. It has managed so well, in fact, that the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau recently released a memo detailing how the state will end the 2009-2011 budget biennium with a budget surplus.

In its Jan. 31 memo to legislators on the condition of the state’s budget, the Fiscal Bureau determined that the state will end the year with a balance of $121.4 million.

To the extent that there is an imbalance -- Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit -- it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January. If the Legislature were simply to rescind Walker’s new spending schemes -- or delay their implementation until they are offset by fresh revenues -- the “crisis” would not exist.

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The unions were willing to negotiate wage and benefits. THIS is about busting the union and taking away their RIGHT to collective bargaining.

It is going on in other states with Republican Governors...it is a collective effort to castrate unions and the Democratic Party who always stands with the middle class and working families.

I'm not for busting unions at all, they are the last bastions of the dem party. But contracts might have to be broken. When you have to choose from already depleted employee base being fired and cutting benies the benies go.
 
Post #16...you need to pay attention. I will help you this time, but I'm not your mommy.

Walker gins up ‘crisis’ to reward cronies

Wisconsin needs to be fiscally responsible.

There is no question that these are tough times, and they may require tough choices.

But Gov. Scott Walker is not making tough choices. He is making political choices, and they are designed not to balance budgets but to improve his political position and that of his party.

It is for this reason that the governor claims Wisconsin is in such deep financial trouble that Wisconsinites should view this as a crisis moment.

In fact, like just about every other state in the country, Wisconsin is managing in a weak economy. The difference is that Wisconsin is managing better -- or at least it had been managing better until Walker took over. Despite shortfalls in revenue following the economic downturn that hit its peak with the Bush-era stock market collapse, the state has balanced budgets, maintained basic services and high-quality schools, and kept employment and business development steadier than the rest of the country. It has managed so well, in fact, that the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau recently released a memo detailing how the state will end the 2009-2011 budget biennium with a budget surplus.

In its Jan. 31 memo to legislators on the condition of the state’s budget, the Fiscal Bureau determined that the state will end the year with a balance of $121.4 million.

To the extent that there is an imbalance -- Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit -- it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January. If the Legislature were simply to rescind Walker’s new spending schemes -- or delay their implementation until they are offset by fresh revenues -- the “crisis” would not exist.

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so they ended 2010 with a surplus.....how do things look for 2011?.....
 
Post #16...you need to pay attention. I will help you this time, but I'm not your mommy.

It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January.

you're also not much of a debater.....you didn't document it in post #16 either, again, I ask you to document.....
 
so they ended 2010 with a surplus.....how do things look for 2011?.....

Do you have a reading disorder, a comprehension deficit, or some form of dyslexia that effects your ability to decipher chronology?

To the extent that there is an imbalance -- Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit -- it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January.

In the world of normal human beings, January would BE 2011...
 
I'm not for busting unions at all, they are the last bastions of the dem party. But contracts might have to be broken. When you have to choose from already depleted employee base being fired and cutting benies the benies go.

Are Public Employees Overpaid?

Walker has said that the labor changes are necessary because Wisconsin’s local and state employees haven’t made the same sacrifices during the Great Recession as private sector workers.

Walker glossed over the fact that state employees had eight unpaid furlough days in 2009 and 2010, which saved the state $121 million, and their wages have been flat for years.

He also forgot to mention that when he was Milwaukee County executive, members of the largest county employee union took 26 unpaid furlough days in 2010, or one unpaid day off for every two-week pay period—a 10% pay cut. They’ll have 26 unpaid days off this year, too, as a result of Walker’s final county budget. (The employees at the Shepherd Express, a private sector company, did not have any wage decreases or forced furlough days.)

So is Walker correct when he says that public employees are making more than their counterparts in the private sector?

The short answer is no, according to a new study by the national nonpartisan Economic Policy Institute (EPI), which found that Wisconsin’s state and local employees earn 4.8% less per hour in total compensation than their peers in the private sector. That number jumps to 25% for college-educated employees. EPI found that, on average, Wisconsin’s public employees with a bachelor’s degree earn $61,668 in total compensation; their peers working for private employers earn $82,134 in wages and benefits.

And although Gov. Scott Walker is earning $144,423 as a public sector employee with “some college” education, his pay package is not typical. Public sector employees who attended college but did not earn a diploma earn an average $46,707 in wages and benefits, while those in the private sector earn 7% more, or $50,324, EPI found.


Extra Cost of Cutting Wages: Killing Jobs

Although Walker took office promising to focus on job creation like a laser beam, he has not explained how many jobs this budget bill would create.

In fact, a new study by the Institute for Wisconsin’s Future (IWF) found that cutting public sector employees’ pay to the degree demanded by Walker would be a disaster for the state’s economy. In fact, about $1 billion of public employee wages would be lost each year:

* State workers would lose $429 million of disposable income

* Local employees would lose $335 million of disposable income

* School district employees would lose $230 million of disposable income


“Public sector workers are moderate-income people who spend the vast majority of their income on consumer goods—unlike rich households who save the bulk of their wealth,” wrote Jack Norman, the study’s author.

Since that $1 billion would not be spent—and recirculated—in businesses throughout Wisconsin, the study projected that 9,900 private sector jobs would be lost.

“State leaders cannot make up for the loss in consumer purchasing power by an equivalent amount of tax cuts,” Norman wrote. “That would worsen the deficit and cancel out any savings created by cuts to public sector compensation.”

And what about the ripple effect on local governments? IWF’s Norman calculated that $46 million of property tax revenue would be lost because of the wage cutbacks and depressed economic activity. Dane County would be hit the hardest and lose $14 million in property taxes; Milwaukee County would lose $6 million in property taxes.

http://www.expressmilwaukee.com/article-13897-why-are-the-wealthy-in-america-so-unwilling-to-pay-.html
 
arguing for gov workers not taking any hits is staying on the Titanic way to long. The last lifeboat is leaving now, we suggest you get on or drown with the morons.
Can anyone say air traffic controlers?
 
Walker is a scum bag...I'm not surprised the freak is friends with a right wing scum bag...I guess those are 'libertarian' tenets...crush labor...

Yeah... making those poor union people pay a portion of their own health care and pensions.... just like the private sector, instead of making the private sector pay for theirs AND the unions. Yeah, that is 'crushing labor'.

Fucking retard..... and yeah... libertarians in general would support individuals paying for their own.

As for your overtly biased article, yeah... note to dumbass... while the union members may indeed be forced to give up part of their pay to take care of their own health care it is incorrect to state it will have a negative impact on the economy. SOMEONE has to pay for the union members health care and pensions. All this is doing is changing WHO pays a portion. That means a reduction in the states deficit rather than increasing taxes on everyone to pay for the unions members benefits.
 
There was no problem. Walker came into office with a surplus, which he immediately spent on the special interests of lobbyists. Then, HE created a trumped up financial crisis as a ploy to bust unions...but NOT the union who supported him in the 2010 election.

DO provide a link to the above. Because the state of WI would love to see it.
 
Post #16...you need to pay attention. I will help you this time, but I'm not your mommy.

Walker gins up ‘crisis’ to reward cronies

Wisconsin needs to be fiscally responsible.

There is no question that these are tough times, and they may require tough choices.

But Gov. Scott Walker is not making tough choices. He is making political choices, and they are designed not to balance budgets but to improve his political position and that of his party.

It is for this reason that the governor claims Wisconsin is in such deep financial trouble that Wisconsinites should view this as a crisis moment.

In fact, like just about every other state in the country, Wisconsin is managing in a weak economy. The difference is that Wisconsin is managing better -- or at least it had been managing better until Walker took over. Despite shortfalls in revenue following the economic downturn that hit its peak with the Bush-era stock market collapse, the state has balanced budgets, maintained basic services and high-quality schools, and kept employment and business development steadier than the rest of the country. It has managed so well, in fact, that the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau recently released a memo detailing how the state will end the 2009-2011 budget biennium with a budget surplus.

In its Jan. 31 memo to legislators on the condition of the state’s budget, the Fiscal Bureau determined that the state will end the year with a balance of $121.4 million.

To the extent that there is an imbalance -- Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit -- it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January. If the Legislature were simply to rescind Walker’s new spending schemes -- or delay their implementation until they are offset by fresh revenues -- the “crisis” would not exist.

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from the report....

There are two items, not included in Table 1, which would reduce the general fund balance if payment is made in the 2010-11 fiscal year. Those items are discussed below.

Minnesota/Wisconsin Income Tax Reciprocity Payment. On September 18, 2009, Minnesota's Governor informed Wisconsin's Governor that Minnesota was terminating the two states' income tax reciprocity agreement as of tax year 2010 (beginning January 1, 2010). Therefore, the agreement last applied to tax year 2009. Because more individuals live in Wisconsin and earn income in Minnesota than live in Minnesota and earn income in Wisconsin, Wisconsin's estimated net payment to Minnesota due on December 1, 2010, for tax year 2009, was $58.7 million. In addition, under the agreement, interest is applied to late payments. The daily interest cost owed to Minnesota is $4,584. To date, these payments have not been made.

Patients Compensation Fund. On July 20, 2010, the State Supreme Court ruled that the state cannot transfer monies out of the Injured Patients and Families Compensation Fund (Fund). In the 2007-09 state budget, $200 million was transferred from the Fund to advantage the general fund. The Court remanded the case to the circuit court with directions that the $200 million, with lost earnings and interest, be placed in the Fund. To date, the circuit court has not established an amount or date of payment.

Amazing how Dems are so good at creating imaginary surpluses. Just ignore certain debts. Steal money from other funds and put them into the general fund so that idiots can proclaim the state has a surplus!
 
so they ended 2010 with a surplus.....how do things look for 2011?.....

In the general fund... yes... because from 2007-2009, they took $200m from another fund which the state supreme court ordered them to pay back with interest. Something that hasn't been done yet.

In addition, there is $58m in revenue that will be lost as a result of the tax reciprocity agreement with MN being rescinded. Amazing how Bfgrn left out those little facts.
 
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