Boehner says facts show Obama a Christian, citizen

Booyah! said:
Just cause Boehner beleives it, it's true?
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Well, of course. But then he didn't really say that. He said he was willing to take Obama at his word about Christianity and that he believes Obama is a citizen.

Methinks some people got over excited. I'm wondering why our "fourth institution" are seeking absolution from doing their jobs. Had they pursued this long ago and got all the relevant information we wouldn't have 41% of the nation who "aren't sure" about where the man was born and dudes on the radio talking about how their friend the Governor of Hawaii says there is no original Birth Certificate....
 
If Obama is a real American, what's the big deal about proving it?

I'd show my birth certificate in a heart beat.

Makes you wonder, I admit.
 
Damocles said:
Well, of course. But then he didn't really say that. He said he was willing to take Obama at his word about Christianity and that he believes Obama is a citizen.

Methinks some people got over excited. I'm wondering why our "fourth institution" are seeking absolution from doing their jobs. Had they pursued this long ago and got all the relevant information we wouldn't have 41% of the nation who "aren't sure" about where the man was born and dudes on the radio talking about how their friend the Governor of Hawaii says there is no original Birth Certificate....
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I agree that it's the fault of the press. Rather than ignoring the idiots and calling them liars they instead "report the controversy" when there isn't any controversy at all.

By the way, got a cite for the 41% figure?
 
Yurt said:
no

but one would think boehner would go after the issue if it had any merit

obama isn't going to release a copy of the original....unless of course states require that proof to be placed on ballots :)
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Why? Boehner looks like a pussy to me.
 
Yurt said:
no

but one would think boehner would go after the issue if it had any merit

obama isn't going to release a copy of the original....unless of course states require that proof to be placed on ballots :)
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Not really. It isn't really his job to do that. He was elected to pursue the business of government, not one of being an investigative journalist.

I'm curious as to why this dude has now twice sought absolution for not doing his job from elected officials. If he believes that the evidence is there, collect it and report on it rather than try to get others to mock constituents. That is his actual job, not to attempt to get elected officials to tell us what to think.

Bring out all the evidence, make it clear, do some investigation, and over 99.9% of the "nutjobs" will go away.
 
Damocles said:
Right, because when it says only 42% are sure about something it really means whatever Nigel wants it to mean.

Got it. BTW - I am among the "probably was" group there.
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But that's not what the results show. If the question was "Was Obama born in the United States?" and the available responses "yes, no or unsure" then you'd have something. But that's not what you've got here.

I'd lump the probably and definitely people together and the probably not and definitely not people together, particularly in light of other polls on the question.
 
NigelTufnel said:
But that's not what the results show. If the question was "Was Obama born in the United States?" and the available responses "yes, no or unsure" then you'd have something. But that's not what you've got here.

I'd lump the probably and definitely people together and the probably not and definitely not people together, particularly in light of other polls on the question.
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yet probably and definitely are not the same. one shows a reasonable likelihood, yet not truly believing, the other is absolute belief.
 
NigelTufnel said:
But that's not what the results show. If the question was "Was Obama born in the United States?" and the available responses "yes, no or unsure" then you'd have something. But that's not what you've got here.

I'd lump the probably and definitely people together and the probably not and definitely not people together, particularly in light of other polls on the question.
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The question was "are you sure", only 42% are "sure", hence what I said... The rest have at least some question. And as I said, you just say it says whatever you want it to say and ignore what it actually does say. Seriously, it flat says that only 42% say he was "definitely" born in the US.

This isn't some "fringe" thing of "nutjobs", this is most of the US that have at least some question that makes it so they can't say "definitely" even on a poll. At least you aren't attacking that "horrible right wing CNN"...
 
Damocles said:
The question was "are you sure", only 42% are "sure", hence what I said... The rest have at least some question. And as I said, you just say it says whatever you want it to say and ignore what it actually does say. Seriously, it flat says that only 42% say he was "definitely" born in the US.
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That was not the question. There's no need to lie about it. You have an arguable case without lying about the question. The trouble is that the results are subject to interpretation rather than a clear statement on whether the respondents believe Obama was born in the United States and how certain they are of their belief.


Damocles said:
This isn't some "fringe" thing of "nutjobs", this is most of the US that have at least some question that makes it so they can't say "definitely" even on a poll. At least you aren't attacking that "horrible right wing CNN"...
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Birtherism is mainstream among Republicans. It's a pretty sad commentary on the party.
 
NigelTufnel said:
That was not the question. There's no need to lie about it. You have an arguable case without lying about the question. The trouble is that the results are subject to interpretation rather than a clear statement on whether the respondents believe Obama was born in the United States and how certain they are of their belief.




Birtherism is mainstream among Republicans. It's a pretty sad commentary on the party.
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Again, the results aren't really as "interpretable" as you try to claim. Of all the respondents only 42% are willing to claim that he is "definitely" born in the US. The rest can't be quite that sure, hence "some doubt". It's not just mainstream among republicans, the reality is that 58% are not willing to say that he is "definitely" born in the US, that's far from "fringing" and it certainly isn't made up only of republicans.
 
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