Bfgrn
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Translation...after the genocide of the indigenous people, MY ancestors made it here...NOW that I am here, fuck the rest. They don't LOOK like me.
Noam Chomsky: How Climate Change Became a 'Liberal Hoax'
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Translation...after the genocide of the indigenous people, MY ancestors made it here...NOW that I am here, fuck the rest. They don't LOOK like me.
cawacko
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Not to change the subject but on immigration do you support both legal and illegal or if you had the power what changes, if any, would you make to our immigration system? I would include what should we do with those here illegally already?
Bfgrn
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Immigration through legal means is too corrupt and too slow paced. For someone in Mexico to enter the extremely long legal wait, he or she needs to pay off authorities, making it unavailable to most people that want to immigrate. And for many, the need is immediate. What father or mother wouldn't cross a border to feed their children?
The people who are here, if they are willing to submit to a service commitment, either military of something on the civil side, should become citizens upon completion.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
I say the solution for those who are here illegally is simple.
#1.Those who are not working or contributing in a productive fashion, when located should be deported.
#2. Those who are working should also be deported but only after their employers have been fined and sentenced to prison. This will discourage employers from hiring illegals which will prevent illegals from coming here in the first place. That's probably not going to happen so...
#3. If we are not going to punish those employers who hire illegals then I say after 5 years of being productively employed and paying taxes they should be provided, at a minimum, legal residency status and an opportunity to "EARN" US citizenship. Those who have been working for less then 5 years should be provided legal "guest worker" privilege.
Yes, I can here those on the right criticizing this as rewarding those who broke the law. My sentiment is, yes, that's true but as long as were willing to punish them and not the unscrupulous business people who lured them here and hired them illegally, then that would accomplish exactly nothing and at a human level, that would be unethical, if not immoral to treat our fellow human beings in such a manner. Therefore #3 would appear to be the best compromise and would provide a real solution.
Personally I prefer #2. A guest worker program would further allow the capitalist/business class to undermine the strong labor market we have in this country. I don't mean that as a criticism towards the capitalist/business class. It's just that maximizing short term profits is their first priority (and is often a legal one for corporate managers) and I understand the huge pressures they are under to achieve that goal of business/wealth growth and if they can achieve that goal by undermining labor cost, they will do so which, obviously, is not to the advantage of most working class Americans. We need to put solid and enforceable laws into place that punish harshly those who hire illegal immigrants if we wish to solve this problem. Otherwise we need to turn to some form of option #3 for a solution.
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The Almighty
Which 'facts' are you referring to?
So Chomsky is an eco-fascist? Who woulda thunk? Serioiusly, the commie lefties like this guy know they use the climate to control in name of science. This is a no brainer. I've linked stuff from James Hansen that discusses the Chinese authoritarian model of control as the answer! What part of that don't you warmers get? Unless you want to be subjects to a global elite, why would you support this? Why do you trust these people to give you science? And why, after they were exposed as colluding to shape the science, would you have any faith in their future works?
fucking warmers are idiots!
fucking warmers are idiots!
You'd have more credibility if you acknowledged the propoganda efforts on both sides of the issue...
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lol...irony
Not really; tinny makes a big deal about propoganda on the left, which I wouldn't argue; but on the one hand, Noam is right - there is just as much from the right.
The propoganda has basically created a sort of white noise where it's nearly impossible to discern the truth.
But your comment is appreciated....
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yes, really....and you're welcome 
yes, really....and you're welcome
Well, respectfully, I would argue that any sense of irony you were able to arrive at from my post comes from your well-documented reading comprehension issues.
Have you tried to do anything about those yet?
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maybe this is the OCD christie is talking about....the ol' obsessive compulsive "you can't read!!!!!" onceler attack...though you can never actually substantiate your claim, you never fail to use it. despite that you have serious issues of your own with reading. like i said, you are a human projector.
heal yourself first physician
I don't know what propaganda you're referencing. Why don't you cite some examples?
All I ever cite are credible sources and peer reviewed articles. What propaganda? Seriously, warmer, cite it!!
maybe this is the OCD christie is talking about....the ol' obsessive compulsive "you can't read!!!!!" onceler attack...though you can never actually substantiate your claim, you never fail to use it. despite that you have serious issues of your own with reading. like i said, you are a human projector.
heal yourself first physician
Respectfully, though, you have proven yourself to be unable to read. You tend to see linear comparisons between apples and oranges, and a variety of other fruits and vegetables.
Well, you did see the OP, correct?
Bfgrn
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The 'white noise' is exactly what the American Petroleum Institute wanted to manufacture in 1988.
Global Climate Science Communications
Action Plan
Project Goal
A majority of the American public, including industry leadership, recognizes that significant uncertainties exist in climate science, and therefore raises questions among those (e.g. Congress) who chart the future U.S. course on global climate change.
Progress will be measured toward the goal. A measurement of the public's perspective on climate science will be taken before the plan is launched, and the same measurement will be taken at one or more as-yet-to-be-determined intervals as the plan is implemented,
Victory Will Be Achieved When
* Average citizens "understand" (recognize) uncertainties in climate science; recognition of uncertainties becomes part of the "conventional wisdom"
* Media "understands" (recognizes) uncertainties in climate science
* Media coverage reflects balance on climate science and recognition of the validity of viewpoints that challenge the current "conventional wisdom"
* Industry senior leadership understands uncertainties in climate science, making them stronger ambassadors to those who shape climate policy
* Those promoting the Kyoto treaty on the basis of extent science appears to be out of touch with reality.
Current Reality
Unless "climate change" becomes a non-issue, meaning that the Kyoto proposal is defeated and there are no further initiatives to thwart the threat of climate change, there may be no moment when we can declare victory for our efforts. It will be necessary to establish measurements for the science effort to track progress toward achieving the goal and strategic success.
Strategies and Tactics
I. National Media Relations Program: Develop and implement a national media relations program to inform the media about uncertainties in climate science; to generate national, regional and local media coverage on the scientific uncertainties, and thereby educate and inform the public, stimulating them to raise questions with policy makers.
Tactics: These tactics will be undertaken between now and the next climate meeting in Buenos Aires/Argentina, in November 1998, and will be continued thereafter, as appropriate. Activities will be launched as soon as the plan is approved, funding obtained, and the necessary resources (e.g., public relations counsel) arranged and deployed. In all cases, tactical implementation will be fully integrated with other elements of this action plan, most especially Strategy II (National Climate Science Data Center).
Identify, recruit and train a team of five independent scientists to participate in media outreach. These will be individuals who do not have a long history of visibility and/or participation in the climate change debate. Rather, this team will consist of new faces who will add their voices to those recognized scientists who already are vocal.
* Develop a global climate science information kit for media including peer-reviewed papers that undercut the "conventional wisdom"on climate science. This kit also will include understandable communications, including simple fact sheets that present scientific uncertainties in language that the media and public can understand.
* Conduct briefings by media-trained scientists for science writers in the top 20 media markets, using the information kits. Distribute the information kits to daily newspapers nationwide with offer of scientists to brief reporters at each paper. Develop, disseminate radio news releases featuring scientists nationwide, and offer scientists to appear on radio talk shows across the country.
* Produce, distribute a steady stream of climate science information via facsimile and e-mail to science writers around the country.
* Produce, distribute via syndicate and directly to newspapers nationwide a steady stream of op-ed columns and letters to the editor authored by scientists.
* Convince one of the major news national TV journalists (e.g., John Stossel ) to produce a report examining the scientific underpinnings of the Kyoto treaty.
* Organize, promote and conduct through grassroots organizations a series of campus/community workshops/debates on climate science in 10 most important states during the period mid-August through October, 1998.
* Consider advertising the scientific uncertainties in select markets to support national, regional and local (e.g., workshops / debates), as appropriate.
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