Egypt is Obama's Iran

[Onceler]

yep....look at that post defending dixie....

you just can't help but lie, its really weird

Oh, my bad. Since you're first response on the thread was just a strange comment about me, I assumed that you were advocating Dixie's argument (since that's a parameter that, respectfully, you have set many times on the board).

I see now that you did take some issue w/ Dix, but only after you were shamed into doing so.

Respectfully.

 

[Cancel9]

Oh, my bad. Since you're first response on the thread was just a strange comment about me, I assumed that you were advocating Dixie's argument (since that's a parameter that, respectfully, you have set many times on the board).

I see now that you did take some issue w/ Dix, but only after you were shamed into doing so.

Respectfully.

Yurtsie takes a lot of time with dicks.

 

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Oh, my bad. Since you're first response on the thread was just a strange comment about me, I assumed that you were advocating Dixie's argument (since that's a parameter that, respectfully, you have set many times on the board).

I see now that you did take some issue w/ Dix, but only after you were shamed into doing so.

Respectfully.

yeah.......it was about you and your constant attacks....no defense of dixie...........liar

 

[Cancel9]

Obsess much, Yurtard?

 

[Taichiliberal]

Carter's handling of the 1979 crisis was less than perfect, with the benefit of hindsight, however it has to pointed out that the Iranian army were the ones that refused to back the Shah and without them there was nothing that the US could sensibly do without invading the country. Indeed various factions of the army started to fight against each other, something that has not happened in Egypt. The US subsequently did fight a proxy war against Iran using Iraq and we all know how well that went. If you had been in Carter's shoes what would you have done differently?

There was a national referendum on 1st April 1979 and the Iranians voted overwhelmingly for Khomeini and an Islamic Republic. Maybe the French can be blamed for granting exile to Khomeini in the first instance but the real reasons for the Shah's downfall go back to the overthrow of Mohammed Mosaddegh by the US and British in 1953. The Shah was always perceived as a puppet of the US and nothing could have saved him.

I recommend that you read this Slate article as it is most enlightening.

http://www.slate.com/id/2283121/

The Shah WAS a USA puppet....hell we helped put him in via a coupe!

Appropo to your link:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB126/index.htm


I seriously doubt if Dixie is willing to accept historical facts that debunk his assertions...but hope springs eternal.


The USA is guilty of supporting Mubarak via military aid for 30 years.....but it's not the same as Iran, as you and I know.

 

[Onceler]

yeah.......it was about you and your constant attacks....no defense of dixie...........liar

Ice Dancer said that when people don't comment on anything, they are passively defending it, and you agreed with him/her and thanked him/her.

Respectfully, I kind of figured that you only applied this to lefties, and not to yourself or anyone on the right.

 

[Socrtease]

The Shah WAS a USA puppet....hell we helped put him in via a coupe!

Appropo to your link:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB126/index.htm


I seriously doubt if Dixie is willing to accept historical facts that debunk his assertions...but hope springs eternal.


The USA is guilty of supporting Mubarak via military aid for 30 years.....but it's not the same as Iran, as you and I know.

Here is a bio of the Shah

He was not put into power by the US. He was put into power by the Britain and the USSR because of his father's support of Germany.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Here is a bio of the Shah

He was not put into power by the US. He was put into power by the Britain and the USSR because of his father's support of Germany.

Who put Ahmadinejad in power? What about the Hammas leader in Lebanon? Are those US/British puppets as well?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Did you not just post this quote?

"The people in that region of the world, do not know, understand, or comprehend, how to truly run and have free democratic elections"

Yes, what pinheaded stupidity did you read into that? Did I state people didn't want democracy? Did I state they couldn't handle democracy? Did I claim they prefer to live in tyranny? Those are idiotic claims of pinheads past, but not what I said at all. The people of that region, simply don't know how to honestly conduct fair and impartial elections.

 

[Jarod]

Yes, what pinheaded stupidity did you read into that? Did I state people didn't want democracy? Did I state they couldn't handle democracy? Did I claim they prefer to live in tyranny? Those are idiotic claims of pinheads past, but not what I said at all. The people of that region, simply don't know how to honestly conduct fair and impartial elections.

Yes, you are saying they can't handle Democracy. You are just silly now!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Yes, you are saying they can't handle Democracy. You are just silly now!

No, that wasn't what I said, that is what your retarded pinhead mind READ!

Try to follow very carefully.... I believe, ALL men desire TRULY representative democracy and freedom. I believe this is the natural state which ALL men are born into, and it can never be erased from their hearts.

Now, does anything in my statement of beliefs sound like it would jibe with the idea they "can't handle" democracy, or "don't want" democracy? How can something you are inherently born with, become something you reject and rebuke? It doesn't even make logical sense, does it?

What I stated was, Egyptians, as well as others who have lived in the oppressive Middle East, simply do not know or understand HOW to implement TRUE democracy. They want to, they'd love to... they just don't know HOW TO! Got it?

You might love the idea of flying a kite, but if you've never seen a real kite, and no one has shown you how to fly it, would you be able to figure it out? You might have even dreamed that you were flying a kite... would that help you know how to build one and get it off the ground? You might even observe others flying their kites, but would this be of any help to you? Until someone takes the time to patiently show you how to build a kite and fly it, you simply won't know how to do so. Men are born with the desire to be free, they are not born with the inherent ability to know HOW to establish a government to let them be free.

 

[Onceler]

No, that wasn't what I said, that is what your retarded pinhead mind READ!

Try to follow very carefully.... I believe, ALL men desire TRULY representative democracy and freedom. I believe this is the natural state which ALL men are born into, and it can never be erased from their hearts.

Now, does anything in my statement of beliefs sound like it would jibe with the idea they "can't handle" democracy, or "don't want" democracy? How can something you are inherently born with, become something you reject and rebuke? It doesn't even make logical sense, does it?

What I stated was, Egyptians, as well as others who have lived in the oppressive Middle East, simply do not know or understand HOW to implement TRUE democracy. They want to, they'd love to... they just don't know HOW TO! Got it?

You might love the idea of flying a kite, but if you've never seen a real kite, and no one has shown you how to fly it, would you be able to figure it out? You might have even dreamed that you were flying a kite... would that help you know how to build one and get it off the ground? You might even observe others flying their kites, but would this be of any help to you? Until someone takes the time to patiently show you how to build a kite and fly it, you simply won't know how to do so. Men are born with the desire to be free, they are not born with the inherent ability to know HOW to establish a government to let them be free.

Translation: other countries need a "shock & awe" campaign in order to realize true democracy.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Translation: other countries need a "shock & awe" campaign in order to realize true democracy.

I didn't say that either. You are just as good as Jarhead at reading shit I didn't say!


You know... it occurs to me, this inability to comprehend plain English, probably explains why the two of you are so fucked in the head stupid. It must be a real curse to go through life hearing and reading things that never are said, thinking you've comprehended something never articulated. That would drive me nuts, I'd have to blow my brains out... I don't know how you two stand it.

 

[Jarod]

They cant understand how to impliment true democracy is different than they cant handel it.....


I see Dixie. You have now officially spoken yourself into a circle.

 

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They cant understand how to impliment true democracy is different than they cant handel it.....


I see Dixie. You have now officially spoken yourself into a circle.

I am going to defend Dixie to some extent, he is just warning that these are early days yet and nobody knows what the final outcome will be. If you want to see a more recent example of how events might turn out then look to Algeria.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

They cant understand how to impliment true democracy is different than they cant handel it.....


I see Dixie. You have now officially spoken yourself into a circle.

Again, I never said they CAN'T understand it, I said they DON'T understand it. There is a difference. I believe they are fully capable of understanding it, and inherently desire, as well as, fundamentally want to do it. AND, I believe, once they are shown how to do it, they most certainly CAN HANDLE IT!

You pinheads are the ones who can't seem to wrap your pinhead minds around this. I think it's because you honestly believe that some people don't have a desire for freedom, as we enjoy in America. That some people are born with the desire to want to be controlled and told what to do, and they don't want to be free. Therefore, when you hear me say Egyptians don't know how to implement democracy, you jump in it and say I am saying something else. What you want for me to be saying, is actually in line with your false beliefs that some people don't inherently wish to be free, and are happier being slaves.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I am going to defend Dixie to some extent, he is just warning that these are early days yet and nobody knows what the final outcome will be. If you want to see a more recent example of how events might turn out then look to Algeria.

Not what I am saying tom. But thanks for defending me anyway, I know that was hard to type.

I already know what the final outcome will be. A theocratic radical Islamic government in Egypt... the ultimate demise of Israel... Islamic Caliphate. Eventually.. within 30 years or so... it will mean the fall of Europe to radical Islam, and the implementation of Sharia law for everyone. By the time this happens, even those on the left will realize what kind of trouble we are in, but it will be far too late to do anything about it then. Perhaps we can cower behind the skirts of the Great Chinese Empire.. but that will come at a cost as well...

End Times... that's what is coming, tom. I realize YOU don't know what will happen, what will be the final outcome... but anyone who believes in the Bible chuckle at this... they know what is coming next, it is all written in vivid detail, in the 2000 year-old document they believe is the word of God.

Egyptians do not know how to implement a fair and impartial democratic election system and government. They've never done it, in all their national history, so why would they suddenly be able to do it? What they have is a sham, something to "call" a fair and impartial legitimate system. It is rife with corruption, cronyism, graft, and outright favoritism. The SYSTEM, the "powers that be" in Egypt, the Machine... Mubarak was 'democratically elected' in election after election... was it legit? When the Muslim Brotherhood "wins the election" will THAT be legit?

I have ZERO confidence in THIS administration, to lead the Egyptians to a real democratic representative 'Jacksonian'-style government. I don't even see them TRYING to lead anyone... they are sitting on their asses, waiting... trying to be all things to all people at all times... saying one stupid thing today, and another stupid thing tomorrow... let the clock run on this... maybe it will all work out. I don't even know who is in charge of this.. do we even know? Do we need to wait and see what China tells us is going on in Egypt, since we are not the #1 Superpower anymore?

 

[Topspin]

There Dixie solidifying the Klan stereotype. And showing how shitty a bam a education is.

 

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Not what I am saying tom. But thanks for defending me anyway, I know that was hard to type.

I already know what the final outcome will be. A theocratic radical Islamic government in Egypt... the ultimate demise of Israel... Islamic Caliphate. Eventually.. within 30 years or so... it will mean the fall of Europe to radical Islam, and the implementation of Sharia law for everyone. By the time this happens, even those on the left will realize what kind of trouble we are in, but it will be far too late to do anything about it then. Perhaps we can cower behind the skirts of the Great Chinese Empire.. but that will come at a cost as well...

End Times... that's what is coming, tom. I realize YOU don't know what will happen, what will be the final outcome... but anyone who believes in the Bible chuckle at this... they know what is coming next, it is all written in vivid detail, in the 2000 year-old document they believe is the word of God.

Egyptians do not know how to implement a fair and impartial democratic election system and government. They've never done it, in all their national history, so why would they suddenly be able to do it? What they have is a sham, something to "call" a fair and impartial legitimate system. It is rife with corruption, cronyism, graft, and outright favoritism. The SYSTEM, the "powers that be" in Egypt, the Machine... Mubarak was 'democratically elected' in election after election... was it legit? When the Muslim Brotherhood "wins the election" will THAT be legit?

I have ZERO confidence in THIS administration, to lead the Egyptians to a real democratic representative 'Jacksonian'-style government. I don't even see them TRYING to lead anyone... they are sitting on their asses, waiting... trying to be all things to all people at all times... saying one stupid thing today, and another stupid thing tomorrow... let the clock run on this... maybe it will all work out. I don't even know who is in charge of this.. do we even know? Do we need to wait and see what China tells us is going on in Egypt, since we are not the #1 Superpower anymore?

There is nothing that can be done about it, the events will unfold regardless and to try to blame the current admin is just retarded. I also do not accept your doom and gloom scenario, the ultimate way forward is education and raising people up from the grinding poverty in many nations. Too many people in the US want a quick fix for everything, it just isn't going to happen that way. We discovered many years ago that gunboat diplomacy rarely if ever works.

 

[Jarod]

I am going to defend Dixie to some extent, he is just warning that these are early days yet and nobody knows what the final outcome will be. If you want to see a more recent example of how events might turn out then look to Algeria.

Were that all he was saying, Id agree with him.