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hotdog said:
Couldn't an efficient electric car be designed at any time especially if the government takes up the task? An efficient electric car would make us a lot more oil free.
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There is already a company making and designing more efficient electric cars.

Search for info about the Tesla.
 
Should the government "take up the task" of manufacturing cars?

Teslas are extremely expensive.

If the electricity they consume is generated by burning fossil fuels, how does an electric car solve global warming or other environmental issues?

Much better is the Honda Insight.
 
Cancel9 said:
Should the government "take up the task" of manufacturing cars?

Teslas are extremely expensive.

If the electricity they consume is generated by burning fossil fuels, how does an electric car solve global warming or other environmental issues?

Much better is the Honda Insight.
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If you think the Tesla Roadster is their only car, you might be right. If you want to just reduce the oil used by a bit, you might be right.

But if you took my advice and did a little research, you would have found their S class sedan. Which, while still more expensive than the Honda, is certainly a better future bet than the Honda. It seats 7, uses no gasoline at all, and has a 300 mile range. All for around $50k.

It leaves the Volt & Leaf in the electric dust.
 
WinterBorn said:
If you think the Tesla Roadster is their only car, you might be right. If you want to just reduce the oil used by a bit, you might be right.

But if you took my advice and did a little research, you would have found their S class sedan. Which, while still more expensive than the Honda, is certainly a better future bet than the Honda. It seats 7, uses no gasoline at all, and has a 300 mile range. All for around $50k.

It leaves the Volt & Leaf in the electric dust.
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While I admire Tesla, they are prohibitively expensive, and most US electricity is generated by burning oil or coal.

The Honda approach via the Clarity is much more reasonable on both counts.
 
Cancel9 said:
While I admire Tesla, they are prohibitively expensive, and most US electricity is generated by burning oil or coal.

The Honda approach via the Clarity is much more reasonable on both counts.
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Pick a Honda and stick with it. How much is the Clarity? And where do you find hydrogen fuel? The Tesla S will plug in anywhere.

If you think $50k is "prohibitively expensive", no new car is going to satisfy you.

According to the research, at $5 a kg for hydrogen, it would cost $19.85 to go 270 miles. Depending on utility rates, the Tesla S can go the same 270 miles for as little as $5.40. And there is electricity virtually every where.

In the southeast, much of our electricity is generated by hyroelectric plants.



Since you favor the Clarity and call the Tesla "prohibitively expensive", perhaps you can tell us what the Clarity will cost?
 
WinterBorn said:
Pick a Honda and stick with it. How much is the Clarity? And where do you find hydrogen fuel? The Tesla S will plug in anywhere.

If you think $50k is "prohibitively expensive", no new car is going to satisfy you.

According to the research, at $5 a kg for hydrogen, it would cost $19.85 to go 270 miles. Depending on utility rates, the Tesla S can go the same 270 miles for as little as $5.40. And there is electricity virtually every where.

In the southeast, much of our electricity is generated by hyroelectric plants.



Since you favor the Clarity and call the Tesla "prohibitively expensive", perhaps you can tell us what the Clarity will cost?
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Currently it's avaiable for lease only in SoCal, $600 @ month including maintenance and insurance.

Have to wait for wider availabilty and purchase prices, but Honda has the economics of scale to mass-produce. Tesla doesn't.

"Honda is developing solar-powered hydrogen refueling stations that would use no fossil fuels or produce any CO2 gases, or any other emissions for that matter. Honda is now operating an experimental solar-powered hydrogen station at its facility in Torrance. The station uses Honda's water electrolyzing module to produce hydrogen using next-generation thin film solar cells developed by Honda Engineering. The thin film, made from a compound of copper, indium, gallium, and selenium, allows production of high pressure hydrogen at 52 to 66 percent efficiency."

http://www.greencar.com/articles/honda-fcx-clarity-hydrogen-fueling-stations.php

As for the hydroelectric plants you say are widespread in the SE US, I can't seem to verfiy that claim.

http://www.nationalatlas.gov/articles/people/IMAGES/energy_hydromap_lrg.gif

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Cancel9 said:
Currently it's avaiable for lease only in SoCal, $600 @ month including maintenance and insurance.

Have to wait for wider availabilty and purchase prices, but Honda has the economics of scale to mass-produce. Tesla doesn't.

"Honda is developing solar-powered hydrogen refueling stations that would use no fossil fuels or produce any CO2 gases, or any other emissions for that matter. Honda is now operating an experimental solar-powered hydrogen station at its facility in Torrance. The station uses Honda's water electrolyzing module to produce hydrogen using next-generation thin film solar cells developed by Honda Engineering. The thin film, made from a compound of copper, indium, gallium, and selenium, allows production of high pressure hydrogen at 52 to 66 percent efficiency."

http://www.greencar.com/articles/honda-fcx-clarity-hydrogen-fueling-stations.php

As for the hydroelectric plants you say are widespread in the SE US, I can't seem to verfiy that claim.

http://www.nationalatlas.gov/articles/people/IMAGES/energy_hydromap_lrg.gif

List of conventional hydroelectric power stations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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There are certainly more hydroelectric plants in the south than there are fueling stations. In fact, outside the select test area in southern CA. In fact, according to the website listed below, there are only 68 currently in all of the US & Canada, with 23 more planned. I doubt that 91 stations can provide for the mass produced Hondas. Plus, the hazards and problems concerning storage and transport of hydrogen are still being worked out. Since hydrogen is less dense than gasoline, it requires larger vehicles or tanks to transport it.

http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/general/fuelingSearch.asp

As for the cost of the Honda that you quoted, that is merely a test group. You have to qualify for it and live in a specific geographic area. And if you want to travel outside that area, you will have to make arrangements for hydrogen to be delivered. The $600 per month is for a 3 year lease. And according to the website, Honda is losing money at that price.

The Tesla S will be available in 2012, and is a full sized family sedan. The technology used in it will be able to provide safe, reliable transportation up to 300 miles. And can be refueled anywhere there is electricity.
 
WinterBorn said:
There are certainly more hydroelectric plants in the south than there are fueling stations. In fact, outside the select test area in southern CA. In fact, according to the website listed below, there are only 68 currently in all of the US & Canada, with 23 more planned. I doubt that 91 stations can provide for the mass produced Hondas. Plus, the hazards and problems concerning storage and transport of hydrogen are still being worked out. Since hydrogen is less dense than gasoline, it requires larger vehicles or tanks to transport it.

http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/general/fuelingSearch.asp

As for the cost of the Honda that you quoted, that is merely a test group. You have to qualify for it and live in a specific geographic area. And if you want to travel outside that area, you will have to make arrangements for hydrogen to be delivered. The $600 per month is for a 3 year lease. And according to the website, Honda is losing money at that price.

The Tesla S will be available in 2012, and is a full sized family sedan. The technology used in it will be able to provide safe, reliable transportation up to 300 miles. And can be refueled anywhere there is electricity.
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I wonder if the Tesla sedan will make it to market as promised.

I anticipate a lower cost on the Honda than the test group is paying when the Clarity is made available outside the test area.

As the hydrogen situation unfolds I believe it to be a more sustainable solution, particularly with the development of the solar-powered Home Energy (hydrogen) Station Honda is rolling out.

http://world.honda.com/news/2010/c10...rogen-Station/

While I think the Tesla is very nice-looking and is fast, the company's produts have proven to be impractical with very long recharge times, "bugs", and the firm has a troubled history.

The company itself is small and unstable, despite recent investments, and doesnt have the engineering, manufacturing and marketing muscle of Honda.

Tesla owners face an uncertain future if the tiny firm folds.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/1...-car-troubles/

http://www.greenpacks.org/2009/05/29...ssis-problems/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/owen-thomas/tesla-motors-ceo-cant-han_b_641664.html

http://www.greendump.net/tag/tesla-roadster-sales

http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/...-2-5-problems/

http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/01/30/...oming-in-2013/

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2292...ed-for-trouble

http://green.autoblog.com/2011/01/21...battery-thats/

http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums...d.php?p=195984

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/18/bbc_tesla_edinburgh_e_car_shenanigans/
 
Dixie said:
No, it means that when GOVERNMENT starts meddling in Banking, just as anything else done by the private sector, it fucks it all up worse. Government is NOT the solution, free market, private sector, capitalism IS the answer, always!

People whine and moan about "unbridled" capitalism, but we should strive for our 'economy horse' to be as close to unbridled as humanly possible! When private sector capitalism is unleashed, there is no limit to the potential, from an economic standpoint, or from a security standpoint. We do need some sensible regulation on capitalism, I have never said otherwise, but what we have now, is borderline Communism, with the State taking more and more control of Capitalism. The Government is NOT the answer!
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It wasn't the loans that fucked everything up. It was the outsourcing. Had people not lost their jobs and the deficit did not spiral out of control thanks to bush? People would have not lost their homes.

Therefore blame corporations and the sell out government that allows them to commit this robbery.
 
hotdog said:
Nuclear energy is clean. There is an abudence of uranium in the world. A small amount of uranium creates a lot of energy. Nuclear waste can be recycled. Uranium generates a lot of energy.
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I've been supported nuclear power for awhile. What happened to bush's promise to invest in nuclear energy?

On a side note? I notice Japan has been buying out alot of Uranium mines. I guess they see where the future is at......
 
wiseones2cents said:
I've been supported nuclear power for awhile. What happened to bush's promise to invest in nuclear energy?

On a side note? I notice Japan has been buying out alot of Uranium mines. I guess they see where the future is at......
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There is a company called Hyperion Power Generation which is ready to manufacture a new generation of micro reactors. It is a potentially very exciting prospect which will allow small and isolated communities to have relatively cheap and clean power on tap. Toshiba and GE are working on similar products.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...reactors-to-tap-135-billion-power-market.html
 
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WinterBorn said:
There are certainly more hydroelectric plants in the south than there are fueling stations. In fact, outside the select test area in southern CA. In fact, according to the website listed below, there are only 68 currently in all of the US & Canada, with 23 more planned. I doubt that 91 stations can provide for the mass produced Hondas. Plus, the hazards and problems concerning storage and transport of hydrogen are still being worked out. Since hydrogen is less dense than gasoline, it requires larger vehicles or tanks to transport it.

http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/general/fuelingSearch.asp

As for the cost of the Honda that you quoted, that is merely a test group. You have to qualify for it and live in a specific geographic area. And if you want to travel outside that area, you will have to make arrangements for hydrogen to be delivered. The $600 per month is for a 3 year lease. And according to the website, Honda is losing money at that price.

The Tesla S will be available in 2012, and is a full sized family sedan. The technology used in it will be able to provide safe, reliable transportation up to 300 miles. And can be refueled anywhere there is electricity.
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You lie!
 
wiseones2cents said:
I've been supported nuclear power for awhile. What happened to bush's promise to invest in nuclear energy?

On a side note? I notice Japan has been buying out alot of Uranium mines. I guess they see where the future is at......
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Will Obama succeed where bush failed by building nuclear plants all over the country?
 
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