Rand Paul: Cut U.S. Aid to Israel

Ice Dancer said:
Well, Tom, the real point is (no, not the one on top of your head) that the Jews were given Israel by the Brits and it is NOW a sovereign state. That you thought bringing up the distant connection to the land of one sect of Jews was an earth shattering point-is well- not even a blip.
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Tom likes to show everyone how "impotent" he is...:loveu:
 
Ice Dancer said:
Well, Tom, the real point is (no, not the one on top of your head) that the Jews were given Israel by the Brits and it is NOW a sovereign state. That you thought bringing up the distant connection to the land of one sect of Jews was an earth shattering point-is well- not even a blip.
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There you go again, Israel was not given to the Jews by Britain. I presume you are referring to the Balfour Declaration which talked of a Jewish homeland not a Jewish state.

Noam Chomsky makes a distinction between the concept of "a Jewish ethnic homeland in Palestine" and "a Jewish state" in a TV interview. "I have always supported a Jewish ethnic homeland in Palestine. That is different from a Jewish state. There's a strong case to be made for an ethnic homeland, but as to whether there should be a Jewish state, or a Muslim state, or a Christian state, or a white state — that's entirely another matter."

Chomsky believes the concept of a Jewish State (or Muslim State or Christian State or white State) directly contradicts the idea of a democratic state as it is understood in the Western tradition, as liberal democracy is founded upon a principle in which there is no privileged citizen. If anybody created the Israel state it was Harry Truman and George Marshall who were far more culpable than any others.

Askenazi Jews are by far the most numerous of the Jewish sects, indeed in 1931 they were more than 90% of the total, hardly a blip even in your fertile imagination.
 
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christiefan915 said:
Also, I've read that more than half of Israelis consider themselves secular so how does invoking God justify their actions?
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Most israelis arent doing the killing. They dont need a justification. They can deny the tribalistic theocratic claim made in their name by the state without consequence..
 
tom prendergast said:
There you go again, Israel was not given to the Jews by Britain. I presume you are referring to the Balfour Declaration which talked of a Jewish homeland not a Jewish state.

Noam Chomsky makes a distinction between the concept of "a Jewish ethnic homeland in Palestine" and "a Jewish state" in a TV interview. "I have always supported a Jewish ethnic homeland in Palestine. That is different from a Jewish state. There's a strong case to be made for an ethnic homeland, but as to whether there should be a Jewish state, or a Muslim state, or a Christian state, or a white state — that's entirely another matter."

Chomsky believes the concept of a Jewish State (or Muslim State or Christian State or white State) directly contradicts the idea of a democratic state as it is understood in the Western tradition, as liberal democracy is founded upon a principle in which there is no privileged citizen. If anybody created the Israel state it was Harry Truman and George Marshall who were far more culpable than any others.

Askenazi Jews are by far the most numerous of the Jewish sects, indeed in 1931 they were more than 90% of the total, hardly a blip even in your fertile imagination.
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All Jews were provided an opportunity of return-no matter how long they had been away. The FACT is the Askenazi Jew was afforded that same right of return- :)

Making unimportant distictions is besides the fact.

Balfour Declaration of 1917 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Arthur_Balfour,_photo_portrait_facing_left.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Arthur_Balfour%2C_photo_portrait_facing_left.jpg/200px-Arthur_Balfour%2C_photo_portrait_facing_left.jpg"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/3/32/Arthur_Balfour%2C_photo_portrait_facing_left.jpg/200px-Arthur_Balfour%2C_photo_portrait_facing_left.jpg that led up to the final text of the Balfour Declaration clarifies some details of its wording. The phrase "national home" was intentionally used instead of "state" because of opposition to the Zionist program within the British Cabinet. Both the Zionist Organization and the British government devoted efforts over the following decades, including Winston Churchill's 1922 White Paper, to denying that a state was the intention.[10] However, in private, many British officials agreed with the interpretation of the Zionists that a state would be established when a Jewish majority was achieved.[11]
 
Ice Dancer said:
All Jews were provided an opportunity of return-no matter how long they had been away. The FACT is the Askenazi Jew was afforded that same right of return- :)

Making unimportant distictions is besides the fact.

Balfour Declaration of 1917 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that led up to the final text of the Balfour Declaration clarifies some details of its wording. The phrase "national home" was intentionally used instead of "state" because of opposition to the Zionist program within the British Cabinet. Both the Zionist Organization and the British government devoted efforts over the following decades, including Winston Churchill's 1922 White Paper, to denying that a state was the intention.[10] However, in private, many British officials agreed with the interpretation of the Zionists that a state would be established when a Jewish majority was achieved.[11]
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Why did the British turn away ships full of refugees and subsequently go to war with the Stern Gang and Irgun if they all along fully intended to give Palestine to the Zionists?
 
Ice Dancer said:
*taking out hypocrite mirror and holding it up for Tom*


Much like yours are Tom-you know, like those you did immediately upon return from vacation~
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Well, as least you are attempting to debate, I have rarely seen your friend do anything else. I only took her off ignore to see what great words of wisdom she would come out with, so back to ignore.
 
Ice Dancer said:
*taking out hypocrite mirror and holding it up for Tom*


Much like yours are Tom-you know, like those you did immediately upon return from vacation~
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How's about once in a while you point your fancy mirror in disloyal's direction and let her know you think she's just a big a hypocrite as you think Tom is?

You being so "fair & balanced" and all...How come I never seem to see those posts, eh?
 
Ice Dancer said:
All Jews were provided an opportunity of return-no matter how long they had been away. The FACT is the Askenazi Jew was afforded that same right of return- :)

Making unimportant distictions is besides the fact.

Balfour Declaration of 1917 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that led up to the final text of the Balfour Declaration clarifies some details of its wording. The phrase "national home" was intentionally used instead of "state" because of opposition to the Zionist program within the British Cabinet. Both the Zionist Organization and the British government devoted efforts over the following decades, including Winston Churchill's 1922 White Paper, to denying that a state was the intention.[10] However, in private, many British officials agreed with the interpretation of the Zionists that a state would be established when a Jewish majority was achieved.[11]
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There is a school of thought popularised by Israeli historian Shlomo Zand that says that there is no such thing as the Jewish people, only a Jewish religion.

The first Jews of Ashkenaz (Germany) did not come from the Land of Israel and did not reach Eastern Europe from Germany, but became Jews in the Khazar Kingdom in the Caucasus. Zand explains the origins of Yiddish culture: it was not a Jewish import from Germany, but the result of the connection between the offspring of the Kuzari and Germans who traveled to the East, some of them as merchants.

http://www.rense.com/general81/iuvnt.htm
 
tom prendergast said:
There is a school of thought popularised by Israeli historian Shlomo Zand that says that there is no such thing as the Jewish people, only a Jewish religion.

The first Jews of Ashkenaz (Germany) did not come from the Land of Israel and did not reach Eastern Europe from Germany, but became Jews in the Khazar Kingdom in the Caucasus. Zand explains the origins of Yiddish culture: it was not a Jewish import from Germany, but the result of the connection between the offspring of the Kuzari and Germans who traveled to the East, some of them as merchants.

http://www.rense.com/general81/iuvnt.htm
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DNA has proven the connection to the land~ Regradless-as Jews of national origin or religion, Jews were offered the right of return. Your rabbit-trail has been as usual-dull and off point.
 
tom prendergast said:
Why did the British turn away ships full of refugees and subsequently go to war with the Stern Gang and Irgun if they all along fully intended to give Palestine to the Zionists?
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Public opinion. Both at home and the Arab world. Basically they had to keep their neutrality to maintain their empire, though anyone with half a brain knows that The British Empire was taken over by jews.
 
christiefan915 said:
Also, I've read that more than half of Israelis consider themselves secular so how does invoking God justify their actions?
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Bingo. They are mostly atheist Russian jew. If you read the Bible? You will see that once they establish the state of Israel? All nations will be paying(Or forced to in this case) tribute to Israel.

This is why they want in on the land. Not to mention all the free land and housing at the expense of tax payers around the world.
 
tom prendergast said:
I am sorry but that is just plain wrong, if you read this article you will see that point of view is misguided.

http://www.jewishpress.com/pageroute.do/39056/
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LOL! Oh please. If the British REALLY wanted the Jews out? It would have been an easy task.

The facts are that the Rothschilds ran Britain and consolidated their power by marrying into the Barent-Cohen family(who were the wealthiest in Britain).

These are the same people who are financing Israel(for profit of course). They made a killing selling Israel arms.

If you look back at the history of the Jews in England and see how much influence they had, you will see the power they yield.

At one point the king seen how powerful they were becoming in commerce and they kicked them out. Only to have their economy do a nose dive, and they were asked back in.

Same thing happened in Russia, when the Tzar started noticing they were talking over the economy.

And Hitler Germany.
 
wiseones2cents said:
LOL! Oh please. If the British REALLY wanted the Jews out? It would have been an easy task.

The facts are that the Rothschilds ran Britain and consolidated their power by marrying into the Barent-Cohen family(who were the wealthiest in Britain).

These are the same people who are financing Israel(for profit of course). They made a killing selling Israel arms.

If you look back at the history of the Jews in England and see how much influence they had, you will see the power they yield.

At one point the king seen how powerful they were becoming in commerce and they kicked them out. Only to have their economy do a nose dive, and they were asked back in.

Same thing happened in Russia, when the Tzar started noticing they were talking over the economy.

And Hitler Germany.
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So according to you, the British allowed the King David hotel to be blown up because the Rothschilds said so. I think that you need to meet up with Ass Hat you would get on like a house on fire!
 
tom prendergast said:
So according to you, the British allowed the King David hotel to be blown up because the Rothschilds said so. I think that you need to meet up with Ass Hat you would get on like a house on fire!
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Right. Jews have no power. They're only victims in all scenarios. We know the brainwash...
 
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