Why is that?
Why was Boehner not at memoral?
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Why is that?
I have been meaning to ask you just what you thought Obama should say at the event? What would you have said different? How would you have united this country?
Everyone complains about his eulogy, but no one offers what they would have said.
I already stated what I thought he should have done and pointed out why I thought what he said was an excellent speech but still more of the "look over there" type of distraction. Consistent repetition doesn't change what I said.
And I am not complaining necessarily about the eulogy, I am pointing out that it became a pro-Obama party that even distracted from the good parts of what Obama had to say. IMO, Boehner made the right choice. Avoiding participation in a pro-Obama rally isn't something I would trash any republican for.
I'm sorry, did it bother you to post again for me...
I am also sorry you felt it was a pro Obama rally, I felt it was more for the hurting people in the audience and for Gabby Gifford.
Right. You "felt" that way because you agreed with the sentiment. Even most Ds point out how much it resembled a football rally rather than a moment of reflection. Obama clearly spent zero time on any introspection, focusing on the elements of "we must change political rhetoric" rather than what actually caused this tragedy.
In AZ, the mental health laws are actually some of the best in the nation. Any of the individuals who reported him to the authorities, whether at the university or to Sheriff "I'm blaming rhetoric before we know anything" Doofus could have also reported him to the authorities who are required by law to send a team to check on his mental health status. The authorities didn't, the individuals didn't (likely didn't know they had the right to do it), nobody did. Added benefit would be that he couldn't legally buy the gun, while AZ laws make it difficult to check and he would still probably have been able to buy it it does make it illegal to purchase the weapon while under scrutiny over your mental health.
Making people sit together at some future speech might make you "feel" good, but it does nothing to resolve any of the issues that caused this tragedy. The rally atmosphere was definitely not something that I would have wanted to participate in to reflect on the lives that were lost. To add to it the focus on political rhetoric and how we "need to change" it simply shows that he still refuses to let this "crisis" go without putting it to political use.
While his reflection on the lives was moving, his continued focus on distracting from any real cause and promotion of the current cause celebre... well, see above.
So, you wanted him to turn a memorial into a blame game...I think the time to reflect on that would have been after the event, not during.
You would have skewered him, along with Dixie if he had in fact done that...
You would have skewered him, along with Dixie if he had in fact done that...
What is wrong with you?
I wanted him to move beyond the current cause celebre and reflect on the lives lost rather than continue on the current track and pretend that fixing political rhetoric would solve this.
Actually read what I write and stop making crap up that you want me to believe.
Not to sound callous, but what purpose does "reflecting on the lives lost" serve going forward? And I can argue that you can do that, and still talk about the rhetoric.
I will say right now: the rhetoric, in my view, had NOTHING to do with this tragedy. This guy was clearly a nutter, and wired for an action like this.
That said, if there is one positive thing to come out of this, it's that people are taking a look at how out of hand things have gotten in this country, and how polarized we really have become. If this had nothing to do w/ the event, it certainly played a part in the aftermath.
To ignore that wouldn't be "leadership," imo. You take that moment, and see if you can work something more positive out for the future.
Maybe Boehner thought that he would skip and hope to skewer Obama if the memorial turned into a negative...
Guess he thought wrong. If you are scoring political points, Obama did well.
It's a eulogy, at least according to Rana it is. IMO it shouldn't be used to promote your political agenda. Even if it is, "We need to be nicer to each other."
Saying, "In the aftermath we were quick to falsely accuse, maybe we shouldn't be" would have been nice and actual "leading"... But that isn't what he said. It isn't leadership to jump on the same political track as everybody else and pretend that fixing political rhetoric would have made this never happen. He said it more eloquently, but remained on the same track... one that others led him to, not one that he led us away from.
I did not hear anyone accuse...
He did focus on the lives of the people, what speech did you read or listen to?
Maybe I listened to the wrong speech...
He asked people to move beyond the blame game...
He, in his speech was trying to steer people away from the blame game that was going on and in the nation and causing the focus to be on rhetoric instead of the real cause, that is what this nation needed to hear at the moment.
You in your reply made me think you wanted him to focus on the mental health issues and blame those who didn't do their job, if I am confused, maybe you should have saved that little paragraph for another discussion because it looks to me like you feel he didn't focus on the right issue at the memorial. He should have made it a discussions of the failures of the system.
He was trying to create unity, not further division, like I said, he is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't with you.
You just don't like the guy and that is why you didn't like his speech.
Maybe I listened to the wrong speech...
He asked people to move beyond the blame game...
He, in his speech was trying to steer people away from the blame game that was going on and in the nation and causing the focus to be on rhetoric instead of the real cause, that is what this nation needed to hear at the moment.
You in your reply made me think you wanted him to focus on the mental health issues and blame those who didn't do their job, if I am confused, maybe you should have saved that little paragraph for another discussion because it looks to me like you feel he didn't focus on the right issue at the memorial. He should have made it a discussions of the failures of the system.
He was trying to create unity, not further division, like I said, he is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't with you.
You just don't like the guy and that is why you didn't like his speech.
Please read what I said rather than continue on this track.
Again, the points of reflection were very moving. However the theme was that "fixing political rhetoric" would somehow resolve this. It won't. That was simply a continuance of the same political track.
It's silly to say, "You just don't like him."
If we get into that inanity.
"You just love him and refuse to look deeper!" would be the answer and the site would become a childlike argument of "You" "No you"...
I read it, then re-read it at your request, I still say...
Noone accused...
Had the presidnet said "We were quick to accuse..." he would have been wrong about the accusing part.
"according to Rana"
You would not have liked anything he said to try to bring the nation together, it all would have been viewed as political to you, you don't like him and it shows.
Please point out where I said Obama "accused" anybody of anything. Then you can continue this stupidity.
Again, if this is called actual "argument" we never would have needed this site. We could have said that about Bush ad infinitum.
Something that was not caused by us not being in political agreement will not be fixed by "bringing us together". To maintain that we need to fix this so things like this won't happen in the future is just a continuance of the same argument that political opportunists were making.
We don't need to fix our rhetoric to solve this "crisis". It's a false solution for a problem that didn't exist.
Right. You "felt" that way because you agreed with the sentiment.
Then what was this from you? you can do it, but it becomes childlike when I do? ahahaha, sorry daddy!