DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Its also political reality that they can simply de-fund it.
Obamacare repeal?
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Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
If they do I'll laugh and cancel my auto insurance. hehehehehe
Though out of curiosity, why would it be unconstitutional? I know requiring all citizens to carry coverage is the issue, but why would it be unconstitutional? Which article of amendment would it specifically violate?
Bfgrn
New member
And WHO will suffer...We, the people. You right wing fascists need to punish, it is what you are.
Not without major blowback.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
That's an irrational question. No one has to legally demonstrate why anything is constitutional, the burdon of proof is demonstrating that it is unconstitutional. Please tell me, which article or ammendment to the US Constitution does it violate?I challenge you to explain how it is constitutional.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Fascism is a left-wing trait, as demonstrated by your willingness to require Americans to buy your service.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
So by that rational it would be fascism to require Americans to serve their country?
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
From lefties. Let them blow, majorly.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
This shows your ignorance of the Constitution, since it says what the government can do, not what it cannot do.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Is that why The Democrat Party routinely brings up a Draft during war time?
Bfgrn
New member
Fascism and ALL forms of authoritarianism are right wing traits...some group of human beings are PUNISHED, either harmed or extinguished.
While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians
The Individual Mandate...a REPUBLICAN idea.
Republicans Spurn Once-Favored Health Mandate
In fact, says Len Nichols of the New America Foundation, the individual mandate was originally a Republican idea. "It was invented by Mark Pauly to give to George Bush Sr. back in the day, as a competition to the employer mandate focus of the Democrats at the time."
The 'Free-Rider Effect'
Pauly, a conservative health economist at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School, says it wasn't just his idea. Back in the late 1980s — when Democrats were pushing not just a requirement for employers to provide insurance, but also the possibility of a government-sponsored single-payer system — "a group of economists and health policy people, market-oriented, sat down and said, 'Let's see if we can come up with a health reform proposal that would preserve a role for markets but would also achieve universal coverage.' "
The idea of the individual mandate was about the only logical way to get there, Pauly says. That's because even with the most generous subsidies or enticements, "there would always be some Evel Knievels of health insurance, who would decline coverage even if the subsidies were very generous, and even if they could afford it, quote unquote, so if you really wanted to close the gap, that's the step you'd have to take."
One reason the individual mandate appealed to conservatives is because it called for individual responsibility to address what economists call the "free-rider effect." That's the fact that if a person is in an accident or comes down with a dread disease, that person is going to get medical care, and someone is going to pay for it.
"We called this responsible national health insurance," says Pauly. "There was a kind of an ethical and moral support for the notion that people shouldn't be allowed to free-ride on the charity of fellow citizens."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123670612
The Thirty Year History Of Republicans Supporting the Individual Mandate
The policy was originally included in many Republican proposals including the proposals during the Clinton administration. The leading GOP alternative plan known as the 1994 Consumer Choice Health Security Act included the requirement to purchase insurance. Further, this proposal was based off of a 1990 Heritage Foundation proposal outlined a quality health system where “government would require, by law every head of household to acquire at least a basic health plan for his or her family.”
http://dcprogressive.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/history-republicans-supporting-mandate/
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are you serious? tell me, where in the constitution does the government get the power to force you to buy health insurance? i don't think necessarily violates an amendment, rather, there is no authority in the constitution allowing such action by the government
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
You mean like Hitler's National Socialist Party, Mao's Communist Party, and the USSR? Funny it seems to me that socialism is a left wing thing...
Bfgrn
New member
It is ironic that right wingers try to wrap themselves around the founding fathers, but they always ignore WHAT those men really DID.
Conscription
Colonial militia laws—and after independence those of the United States and the various states—required able-bodied males to enroll in the militia, to undergo a minimum of military training, and to serve for limited periods of time in war or emergency.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
I've long been a supporter of mandatory military enrollment.
Bfgrn
New member
Oh, I forgot I was dealing with the word bound right wing mind and that little brain's parochial indoctrination...
Tell me Einstein, what would a conservative in Russia look like? What tenets, beliefs and orthodoxy would they want to CONSERVE? The US Constitution? Free market capitalism?
Conservatism is based on latitude, longitude and date of birth.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Who cares what conservatism looks like in Russia, or in colonial America? I'm talking here and now.
Bfgrn
New member
Here and now? This flier circulated by right wing fanatics on November 21, 1963 in Dallas Texas has become the conservative agenda and the basis of today's Republican Party platform...
cawacko
Well-known member
Here and now? This flier circulated by right wing fanatics on November 21, 1963 in Dallas Texas has become the conservative agenda and the basis of today's Republican Party platform...
That flier is an agenda? With a few word changes that flier would sound a lot like Democratic/liberal complaints against W.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Here and now? This flier circulated by right wing fanatics on November 21, 1963 in Dallas Texas has become the conservative agenda and the basis of today's Republican Party platform...
Take issue 1. How are the accusations not factually correct? Why do you want the US to be subservient to the UN?