Don't Ask, Don't TELL

[WinterBorn]

But this policy doesn't change what straight soldiers will brag about, or the stigma a gay soldier is going to receive if he 'brags' about his sexual lifestyle. You act as though this legislation changes human behavior, and it doesn't. It's a totally ignorant and boneheaded way of looking at things, to believe a bill is going to somehow change the way people are. You didn't "right" anything, you didn't make a "first step" toward anything, other than destroying the integrity of the world's most superior fighting force.

And before all you gay butts get all excited and join the Navy or something, you might want to realize the military still has a pretty strict code of conduct, and I don't think they tolerate homosexual PDA while in uniform. I'm not sure about how this will effect that, or what will shake out from it... but, I doubt seriously this new policy will just quietly be implemented without ever encountering a problem. I think you will see a multitude of problems, probably some you haven't even thought of yet, in your tiny little non-thinking pinhead brain. But we shall see!

What changes, despite your most fervent hopes, is that people can no longer be discharged because they are gay.

It is my belief that this will move our country closer to acceptance of gays, but that is not what the legislation did.

What it did was make it possible for gays to serve openly in our military.

 

[WinterBorn]

Black people have been in the armed forces since we first had an armed force! They certainly weren't ever prohibited from serving because they were black.

Why do you pinheads continue to try and compare homosexual behavior to race? One is a sexual behavior, the other is RACE... do you just not comprehend how those two things are completely and totally different?

Why do you continue to try to claim that we are comparing race and sexual orientation? We are comparing the hatred aimed at both. No matter how much you try and dismiss it all with your blatant misquoting and misstating, it is still a valid comparison.

And Dixie, it is not sexual behavior. It is sexual orientation. People were discharged from the US Military for what they felt and for their orientation, not for their behavior.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

BTW, heteros aren't supposed to flaunt their sexuality in the military, as it is considered unprofessional and harms the workforce, just as it has been found to do in every other workforce.

But what is meant by "flaunt"?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

What changes, despite your most fervent hopes, is that people can no longer be discharged because they are gay.

It is my belief that this will move our country closer to acceptance of gays, but that is not what the legislation did.

What it did was make it possible for gays to serve openly in our military.

Why do you say I have "fervent hopes" that gays can be discharged from the military? Why would I possibly have such a hope, in light of this new policy? That doesn't even make good sense for a retarded idiot like you!

I don't think it moves anyone closer to accepting what they didn't accept before, and you've not made any case that it will. Bigots will remain bigots. As for gays serving openly, let's see how many do actually do that? And let's see how many problems are encountered because of that? See, you think, in your small limited mind, that some piece of Congressional legislation, is going to somehow change how people are. That gays will now have this policy to throw up in anyone's face, and openly proclaim their gayness without fear of reprisal, and from a legal standpoint, they certainly couldn't be discharged for that... but there are a plethora of other things they could be discharged for, especially if they attempted to 'flaunt' their homosexuality, or make an issue of their lifestyle. Then there is the matter of the brotherhood. Will their fellow soldiers welcome them with open arms? Doubtful! You'll have midnight soap bar beatings, disappearances in the middle of the night, whiny gay soldiers complaining of being harassed... and it will be a never-ending distraction our military just didn't need at this time. BUT.... it makes you fagots happy, so I guess we'll have to endure it! I think the end result will be, far fewer "open gays" serving in the military, and the prudence of a gay person keeping their orientation private, will prevail.

Why do you continue to try to claim that we are comparing race and sexual orientation? We are comparing the hatred aimed at both. No matter how much you try and dismiss it all with your blatant misquoting and misstating, it is still a valid comparison.

And Dixie, it is not sexual behavior. It is sexual orientation. People were discharged from the US Military for what they felt and for their orientation, not for their behavior.

Because you continue to compare race and sexual orientation! You can't compare the hate aimed at both, without claiming they are comparable! It's not a valid comparison, race is not sexuality!

No one was discharged unless they openly admitted being homosexual! As long as they shut the fuck up and did their jobs, as any soldier gay or straight should have, there was no problem, they have served in the military this way for years! This really doesn't change much, you think it does, you're all giddy about it, because you think it's some sort of 'pathway' to gay marriage and gay everything else... but it's not. You've not eradicated bigotry or prejudice toward homosexuals, you've not made it more difficult for gays to be harassed or put in harms way. If anything, you've exacerbated the problem and made it much more easy for bigots and homophobes to single out their targets, and you best believe, they certainly will. Then, you'll have the unenviable task of trying to prosecute those bigots, without much real evidence to work with. But maybe not... maybe I am completely wrong about the way people are, and the level of bigotry and prejudice against gays in the military? If there is no problems from this, and everything goes smoothly, I will be happy to admit I was wrong about it.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Why do you say I have "fervent hopes" that gays can be discharged from the military? Why would I possibly have such a hope, in light of this new policy? That doesn't even make good sense for a retarded idiot like you!

I don't think it moves anyone closer to accepting what they didn't accept before, and you've not made any case that it will. Bigots will remain bigots. As for gays serving openly, let's see how many do actually do that? And let's see how many problems are encountered because of that? See, you think, in your small limited mind, that some piece of Congressional legislation, is going to somehow change how people are. That gays will now have this policy to throw up in anyone's face, and openly proclaim their gayness without fear of reprisal, and from a legal standpoint, they certainly couldn't be discharged for that... but there are a plethora of other things they could be discharged for, especially if they attempted to 'flaunt' their homosexuality, or make an issue of their lifestyle. Then there is the matter of the brotherhood. Will their fellow soldiers welcome them with open arms? Doubtful! You'll have midnight soap bar beatings, disappearances in the middle of the night, whiny gay soldiers complaining of being harassed... and it will be a never-ending distraction our military just didn't need at this time. BUT.... it makes you fagots happy, so I guess we'll have to endure it! I think the end result will be, far fewer "open gays" serving in the military, and the prudence of a gay person keeping their orientation private, will prevail.



Because you continue to compare race and sexual orientation! You can't compare the hate aimed at both, without claiming they are comparable! It's not a valid comparison, race is not sexuality!

No one was discharged unless they openly admitted being homosexual! As long as they shut the fuck up and did their jobs, as any soldier gay or straight should have, there was no problem, they have served in the military this way for years! This really doesn't change much, you think it does, you're all giddy about it, because you think it's some sort of 'pathway' to gay marriage and gay everything else... but it's not. You've not eradicated bigotry or prejudice toward homosexuals, you've not made it more difficult for gays to be harassed or put in harms way. If anything, you've exacerbated the problem and made it much more easy for bigots and homophobes to single out their targets, and you best believe, they certainly will. Then, you'll have the unenviable task of trying to prosecute those bigots, without much real evidence to work with. But maybe not... maybe I am completely wrong about the way people are, and the level of bigotry and prejudice against gays in the military? If there is no problems from this, and everything goes smoothly, I will be happy to admit I was wrong about it.

And here we have Dixie not only promoting his "seperate but equal" belief; but it also appears that he still believes that he's going to be forced to marry some guy.
But then, he is acting like a little bitch.

 

[WinterBorn]

Why do you say I have "fervent hopes" that gays can be discharged from the military? Why would I possibly have such a hope, in light of this new policy? That doesn't even make good sense for a retarded idiot like you!

I don't think it moves anyone closer to accepting what they didn't accept before, and you've not made any case that it will. Bigots will remain bigots. As for gays serving openly, let's see how many do actually do that? And let's see how many problems are encountered because of that? See, you think, in your small limited mind, that some piece of Congressional legislation, is going to somehow change how people are. That gays will now have this policy to throw up in anyone's face, and openly proclaim their gayness without fear of reprisal, and from a legal standpoint, they certainly couldn't be discharged for that... but there are a plethora of other things they could be discharged for, especially if they attempted to 'flaunt' their homosexuality, or make an issue of their lifestyle. Then there is the matter of the brotherhood. Will their fellow soldiers welcome them with open arms? Doubtful! You'll have midnight soap bar beatings, disappearances in the middle of the night, whiny gay soldiers complaining of being harassed... and it will be a never-ending distraction our military just didn't need at this time. BUT.... it makes you fagots happy, so I guess we'll have to endure it! I think the end result will be, far fewer "open gays" serving in the military, and the prudence of a gay person keeping their orientation private, will prevail.

I meant that your fervent hopes were that DADT would stay in place.

You have said over and over that there is far less racism, especially in the south, than there was years ago. How do you explain that, Dixie? Just a miracle of some sort? Or was it that they were forced to live with the races that they hated, until they (or their children) finally woke up and realized that their stereotypes were wrong and that their ignorance was misguided?

The same will happen here.

Because you continue to compare race and sexual orientation! You can't compare the hate aimed at both, without claiming they are comparable! It's not a valid comparison, race is not sexuality!

Yes, it certainly is a valid comparison. The behavior is the same. It is hatred based on ignorance. Both forms of prejudice are hatred based on stereotypes, fear, and ignorance. Both are making claims aboutr what will happen in our military. Both made claims that the unit cohesion would be gone. Both are wrong.

No one was discharged unless they openly admitted being homosexual! As long as they shut the fuck up and did their jobs, as any soldier gay or straight should have, there was no problem, they have served in the military this way for years!

Bullshit, Dixie. I posted a link showing the actual cases of people who were discharged when someone outted them. They did not proclaim their homosexuality. They kept it hidden, but someone found out and reported them. It was not a matter of whether "they shut the fuck up and did their jobs".

And besides, do you really expect someone to spend 20+ years serving their country without having any relationships at all? If you cannot see the prejudice in that you are blind. Straight members of the military are allowed to have premarital sex, extra marital sex, date, get married, get divorced, and get married again, all without fear of being discharged from the military. And yet these gay soldiers are not allowed to have a single date (with or without sex) without fear of being discharged.

Now they can. If you want to pretend it doesn't make any difference, thats your glass of kool-aid. But the people who understand what was at stake here know that this makes a difference in whether or not a governmental prejudice is removed.

This really doesn't change much, you think it does, you're all giddy about it, because you think it's some sort of 'pathway' to gay marriage and gay everything else... but it's not. You've not eradicated bigotry or prejudice toward homosexuals, you've not made it more difficult for gays to be harassed or put in harms way. If anything, you've exacerbated the problem and made it much more easy for bigots and homophobes to single out their targets, and you best believe, they certainly will. Then, you'll have the unenviable task of trying to prosecute those bigots, without much real evidence to work with. But maybe not... maybe I am completely wrong about the way people are, and the level of bigotry and prejudice against gays in the military? If there is no problems from this, and everything goes smoothly, I will be happy to admit I was wrong about it.

We have removed a governmental prejudice. That is a monumental event. Prior to this, for the entire history of our nation, a gay man had to hide who he was to be able to serve. Prior to this we treated them differently and did not allow them the same as what we allowed straights. That changed here.

Its the next step. I have continually said, step by step we are working to bring about a change in the ways gays are treated by our government.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

WB, I refuse to continue debating with you on this because you continue to draw the false comparisons between sexuality and race. Until you get this through your thick and ignorant head, that race and sexuality are two completely different things, we have nothing else to talk about, because it is pointless.

In fact, any argument on DADT is pretty much pointless now, don't you think? Since it has been repealed, and a new policy has been enacted, it seems ridiculous to be arguing for or against DADT now. What I wonder is, why are liberals so intent on continuing their arguments... you won! You got exactly what you asked for! Now we will get to see it in action, we'll find out if you know what you're talking about, and if it will effect our military positively or negatively. So is this how you people are when you get everything you want? You're just going to keep defending it and propping up your arguments for it, as if the battle is still going on? I don't understand that, what else can we do to appease you? Maybe if we all turn gay and have butt sex?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

WB, I refuse to continue debating with you on this because you continue to draw the false comparisons between sexuality and race. Until you get this through your thick and ignorant head, that race and sexuality are two completely different things, we have nothing else to talk about, because it is pointless.

In fact, any argument on DADT is pretty much pointless now, don't you think? Since it has been repealed, and a new policy has been enacted, it seems ridiculous to be arguing for or against DADT now. What I wonder is, why are liberals so intent on continuing their arguments... you won! You got exactly what you asked for! Now we will get to see it in action, we'll find out if you know what you're talking about, and if it will effect our military positively or negatively. So is this how you people are when you get everything you want? You're just going to keep defending it and propping up your arguments for it, as if the battle is still going on? I don't understand that, what else can we do to appease you? Maybe if we all turn gay and have butt sex?

"Maybe if we all turn gay and have butt sex?"

Well, you're most of the way there; because you're already a fucking asshole.

 

[Beefy]

WB, I refuse to continue debating with you on this because you continue to draw the false comparisons between sexuality and race. Until you get this through your thick and ignorant head, that race and sexuality are two completely different things, we have nothing else to talk about, because it is pointless.

In fact, any argument on DADT is pretty much pointless now, don't you think? Since it has been repealed, and a new policy has been enacted, it seems ridiculous to be arguing for or against DADT now. What I wonder is, why are liberals so intent on continuing their arguments... you won! You got exactly what you asked for! Now we will get to see it in action, we'll find out if you know what you're talking about, and if it will effect our military positively or negatively. So is this how you people are when you get everything you want? You're just going to keep defending it and propping up your arguments for it, as if the battle is still going on? I don't understand that, what else can we do to appease you? Maybe if we all turn gay and have butt sex?

Is this your concession speech? Is this how you admit defeat? Arguing and arguing against it and then telling the victors that they should shut up because they've won?


You are a real piece of work fool. And by "Work" I mean "Shit".

 

[Minister of Truth]

But what is meant by "flaunt"?

Certainly, this would be viewed as subjective, but simply having a discussion about your sex life would be an example of flaunting. For example, if I were to discuss with my coworkers in detail the many, many things I would do to that girl I posted above, that might be considered inappropriate.

 

[Minister of Truth]

I love fake boobs, they never lay down, they are always at attention!

Well, yes, that would be laying down on the job. I would gladly reciprocate for her, though, and stand at attention, salute and all...

 

[Good Luck]

I'd hit it. Repeatedly.

How long have you been having these feelings of hostility toward beautiful women?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Certainly, this would be viewed as subjective, but simply having a discussion about your sex life would be an example of flaunting. For example, if I were to discuss with my coworkers in detail the many, many things I would do to that girl I posted above, that might be considered inappropriate.

That's going to make a lot of hetrosexual service men unhappy; because your definition means that hetrosexual service people "flaunt" their sexuality more then homosexual service people do.

 

[WinterBorn]

WB, I refuse to continue debating with you on this because you continue to draw the false comparisons between sexuality and race. Until you get this through your thick and ignorant head, that race and sexuality are two completely different things, we have nothing else to talk about, because it is pointless.

In fact, any argument on DADT is pretty much pointless now, don't you think? Since it has been repealed, and a new policy has been enacted, it seems ridiculous to be arguing for or against DADT now. What I wonder is, why are liberals so intent on continuing their arguments... you won! You got exactly what you asked for! Now we will get to see it in action, we'll find out if you know what you're talking about, and if it will effect our military positively or negatively. So is this how you people are when you get everything you want? You're just going to keep defending it and propping up your arguments for it, as if the battle is still going on? I don't understand that, what else can we do to appease you? Maybe if we all turn gay and have butt sex?

I have not compared race and sexuality one single time, Dixie.

We have not continued to argue DADT because it needed to be passed. Someone made a post in celebration, and some backwards bigot starting listing all the bad things that will happen now. You joined in that listing, and are now upset because you have been shown to be wrong.

And the battle is still going on. Look back at your posts. You point out numerous times that there are still those who hate gays. How they feel does not bother me. What they do bothers me.

I enjoyed our debate, Dixie. Have a great day.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I have not compared race and sexuality one single time, Dixie.

We have not continued to argue DADT because it needed to be passed. Someone made a post in celebration, and some backwards bigot starting listing all the bad things that will happen now. You joined in that listing, and are now upset because you have been shown to be wrong.

And the battle is still going on. Look back at your posts. You point out numerous times that there are still those who hate gays. How they feel does not bother me. What they do bothers me.

I enjoyed our debate, Dixie. Have a great day.

And with that:
You're a better man than I, Gunga Din.

 

[Jarod]

WB, I refuse to continue debating with you on this because you continue to draw the false comparisons between sexuality and race. Until you get this through your thick and ignorant head, that race and sexuality are two completely different things, we have nothing else to talk about, because it is pointless.

In fact, any argument on DADT is pretty much pointless now, don't you think? Since it has been repealed, and a new policy has been enacted, it seems ridiculous to be arguing for or against DADT now. What I wonder is, why are liberals so intent on continuing their arguments... you won! You got exactly what you asked for! Now we will get to see it in action, we'll find out if you know what you're talking about, and if it will effect our military positively or negatively. So is this how you people are when you get everything you want? You're just going to keep defending it and propping up your arguments for it, as if the battle is still going on? I don't understand that, what else can we do to appease you? Maybe if we all turn gay and have butt sex?

Hell, Dixie, I am suprised you and your ilk are not argueing to go back to the Pre-Clinton days...... Dont be Gay or you are out. We will ask and its illegal for you not to tell!

 

[Damocles]

If they want me, they know where they can find me. Russian translators would be useful in Afghanistan. Of course, I doubt they want an aged fat guy who chose to leave the military after being offered a bonus to stay.

 

[Cancel8]

"...Jimmy Carter is putting the out in outspokenness.

In an interview with bigthink.com, the former president was asked, “Is the country ready for a gay president?

Even as John McCain and other ossified Republicans were staging last-minute maneuvers to torpedo the “don’t ask, don’t tell” repeal, the 86-year-old Carter was envisioning a grander civil rights victory.

“I would say that the answer is yes,” he said. “I don’t know about the next election, but I think in the near future.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/opinion/19dowd.html

 

[Immanuel]

Yep... When that openly gay soldier goes in to search a building expecting cover from his fellow comrades, they might just get smoke in their eye and fail to see the targets... When the openly gay soldier calls in for air support, there might just be static interference on the radio, and the call for assistance might not be heard... What pinhead liberals seem to not comprehend is, this didn't end prejudice. It does make it considerably easier for a bigot to know who to target with their bigotry, and you can expect that to happen more now.

Come on Dixie, you don't honestly believe that an American soldier would sacrifice another American soldier simply because the other one is gay, do you?

If they do, that sure doesn't say much for the professionalism of our military personnel.

Immie

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Come on Dixie, you don't honestly believe that an American soldier would sacrifice another American soldier simply because the other one is gay, do you?

If they do, that sure doesn't say much for the professionalism of our military personnel.

Immie

I do believe there are bigots and haters who would do just that, and not think twice about it, Immie. I'm sorry, I don't believe in a world where everyone has the same morality standards as I do, or would react the same way I would. I don't think MOST would do this, and I didn't say MOST would, but there are some. I don't think it has anything to do with "professionalism" it has everything to do with bigotry and how that works. Yep, it's deplorable to think this could happen, but I bet, if gays are open about their homosexuality to their fellow comrades, this will indeed happen, it's inevitable.