The Borking of Palin

The more I hear, the more I am convinced, the strategy being implemented against Sarah Palin, is the exact same strategy we saw employed against former Supreme Court nominee, Robert Bork. The incessant buzz from the left, criticizing every aspect of Palin, to the point that moderates on the right are too scared to dare support her. So, we end up with hardcore liberals and moderate conservatives, forming an unlikely coalition to oppose and reject Sarah Palin. So far, this plan has worked out beautifully, and most Americans don't see Sarah Palin being able to defeat Obama in 2012.

What needs to be realized by the so-called moderate conservatives who aren't supportive of Palin at all, is how this is exactly what the left has done over and over again, since the strategy worked on Robert Bork. This is precisely why we ended up with John McCain as the opposing candidate in 2008. McCain was viewed as someone who didn't anger the left, he was someone who could "reach across the aisle" and work with the other side, and was considered to be the "favorite Republican" by the left, up until he announced his run for president. When Al Gore was searching for a potential running mate, he actually had John on his short list! So we went with a watered down conservative, in hopes of not pissing off the vitriolic left, but did that work? NOPE! What needs to be understood is, the LEFT is going to be vehemently opposed to ANYONE nominated by Republicans. We're going to hear all sorts of negative comments, smears, slimes, jeers, criticisms, complaints, allegations, accusations, rumors and innuendo about WHOEVER we elect to run against Obama in 2012. Non-stop, 24/7, relentlessly, up until the day of the election.... you may as well prepare yourself for this, it's their strategy!

The thing about Palin is, they've already been doing this for the past two years. How much more mud can they possibly come up with to throw, and still capture the imagination of American voters? At some point, people get weary of the personal attacks, they simply don't have the same effect... in fact, in the case of Bill Clinton, it actually started to create an underlying 'sympathy' for him, people began to take his side in spite of all his problems, because he became an underdog, relentlessly attacked by 'the system' and Americans are sentimental about their underdogs. The same could happen with Palin, as the empty rhetoric continues to flow, people start to realize Palin isn't deserving of that sort of treatment, and the mud-slinging approach simply has the opposite effect. This all remains to be seen, but given the fact that we've endured two solid years of Palin bashing, and she remains a top contender for 2012, says a lot. Bork certainly didn't survive that long, neither did George W. Bush or Newt Gingrich.

I keep hearing the clamor for Mitt Romney, but it's very crucial to remember, Romney was elected governor of the most liberal state in America. A Massachusetts conservative is someone who believes you should wear a tie to a gay wedding! Is THIS who we need to lead a new revival of core conservative philosophy? Really? Or is it more of the "McCainist" mentality, that if we nominate a Romney, the left won't be so critical and relentless in their bashing and trashing? They may actually LIKE our nominee! Conservatives have got to abandon this mindset, if we ever hope to return to core conservative principles. Sucking up to and appeasing liberals, has not gained Republicans one thing, and has arguably destroyed the gains made in advancing the principles under Ronald Reagan. We seem to have abandoned those principles in search of someone the left will find "acceptable" and how long will it take before moderates understand, that just isn't going to happen?

Yes, Sarah Palin is a lighting rod... Yes, Sarah Palin can make a comment on her Facebook page and have the liberals all in a tizzy for a week over it! Her daughter can go on Dancing With the Stars, and liberals are pulling out their Magnums and blowing away their TV! Even people we consider to be mainstream conservatives, are jumping on the Anti-Palin bandwagon, and lobbing mudballs of their own! She is polarizing and seems to strike a nerve with the left, like no one else I can remember in my lifetime... but why? The only explanation I can find is, she is a threat. The left knows she has a tremendous public following, and she appeals to a great many Americans on a personal level, and this could be real trouble if the momentum continues. Those on the right who oppose her, are mostly afraid that if she did manage to get elected, it would further polarize the left and right, and we'd have another George Bush Syndrome... but... my theory is, that's going to happen anyway, because liberals know they can Bork whoever they need to, whenever they need to, and knee-jerk moderates will respond. It doesn't matter if we pick a 'moderate' like Romney or McCain, they will demonize them and turn them into pariahs all the same, because they aren't Marxist Socialists! My thinking is, if we are inevitably going to have to endure the bashing and trashing from the relentless left, it might as well be against someone who stands for solid core conservative values and principles, and not some wishy-washy appeaser who wants to cave to the liberals to get along.

Bottom line is this... If she runs, she will probably win the GOP nomination. At that point, establishment, moderate, libertarian, McCainian-type, Romneyites, will have to make a hard choice. If they stubbornly refuse to support her against Obama, he will win re-election. If that happens, we may not ever have to worry about this again, another 4 years of Marxist Socialism, and we may not even have the right to vote for a president... if our government is not completely overthrown or collapsed by 2016. So now you guys can line up and repost all your usual complaints of Palin, all the same old rhetoric, all the same condescending complaints and garbage... just keep rehashing it over and over again, and insisting she can't win, she's not qualified, she doesn't deserve your vote... whatever... And "republicans" can keep on joining liberals in the bashfest, with the idiot mindset they are somehow "helping" the conservative movement. We'll have to see if America has learned anything from the days of Bork, through Newt, and on to Bush and McCain. Can the liberals successfully destroy Sarah Palin using these same tactics yet again? Will the so-called "moderates" fall for the same thing once more? Or will true conservatives dig down deep inside, and understand, it doesn't matter what the other side says, it doesn't matter that they don't like our candidate, and the only thing that matters is how we ultimately vote.
 
She's getting just as much criticism from the right - especially the GOP establishment - as she is from the left at this point.
 
I'm only here because i was intrigued by the word 'borking'.

It's not as exciting as it sounds, is it?
 
Well, its over 20 years old now, in the American political lexicon...

That may well be the case Three, but as you may have noticed i am not an American and, i say this with a tear in my eye, i have to admit that i have never been 'borked'. :(
 
The more I hear, the more I am convinced, the strategy being implemented against Sarah Palin, is the exact same strategy we saw employed against former Supreme Court nominee, Robert Bork. The incessant buzz from the left, criticizing every aspect of Palin, to the point that moderates on the right are too scared to dare support her. So, we end up with hardcore liberals and moderate conservatives, forming an unlikely coalition to oppose and reject Sarah Palin. So far, this plan has worked out beautifully, and most Americans don't see Sarah Palin being able to defeat Obama in 2012.

What needs to be realized by the so-called moderate conservatives who aren't supportive of Palin at all, is how this is exactly what the left has done over and over again, since the strategy worked on Robert Bork. This is precisely why we ended up with John McCain as the opposing candidate in 2008. McCain was viewed as someone who didn't anger the left, he was someone who could "reach across the aisle" and work with the other side, and was considered to be the "favorite Republican" by the left, up until he announced his run for president. When Al Gore was searching for a potential running mate, he actually had John on his short list! So we went with a watered down conservative, in hopes of not pissing off the vitriolic left, but did that work? NOPE! What needs to be understood is, the LEFT is going to be vehemently opposed to ANYONE nominated by Republicans. We're going to hear all sorts of negative comments, smears, slimes, jeers, criticisms, complaints, allegations, accusations, rumors and innuendo about WHOEVER we elect to run against Obama in 2012. Non-stop, 24/7, relentlessly, up until the day of the election.... you may as well prepare yourself for this, it's their strategy!

The thing about Palin is, they've already been doing this for the past two years. How much more mud can they possibly come up with to throw, and still capture the imagination of American voters? At some point, people get weary of the personal attacks, they simply don't have the same effect... in fact, in the case of Bill Clinton, it actually started to create an underlying 'sympathy' for him, people began to take his side in spite of all his problems, because he became an underdog, relentlessly attacked by 'the system' and Americans are sentimental about their underdogs. The same could happen with Palin, as the empty rhetoric continues to flow, people start to realize Palin isn't deserving of that sort of treatment, and the mud-slinging approach simply has the opposite effect. This all remains to be seen, but given the fact that we've endured two solid years of Palin bashing, and she remains a top contender for 2012, says a lot. Bork certainly didn't survive that long, neither did George W. Bush or Newt Gingrich.

I keep hearing the clamor for Mitt Romney, but it's very crucial to remember, Romney was elected governor of the most liberal state in America. A Massachusetts conservative is someone who believes you should wear a tie to a gay wedding! Is THIS who we need to lead a new revival of core conservative philosophy? Really? Or is it more of the "McCainist" mentality, that if we nominate a Romney, the left won't be so critical and relentless in their bashing and trashing? They may actually LIKE our nominee! Conservatives have got to abandon this mindset, if we ever hope to return to core conservative principles. Sucking up to and appeasing liberals, has not gained Republicans one thing, and has arguably destroyed the gains made in advancing the principles under Ronald Reagan. We seem to have abandoned those principles in search of someone the left will find "acceptable" and how long will it take before moderates understand, that just isn't going to happen?

Yes, Sarah Palin is a lighting rod... Yes, Sarah Palin can make a comment on her Facebook page and have the liberals all in a tizzy for a week over it! Her daughter can go on Dancing With the Stars, and liberals are pulling out their Magnums and blowing away their TV! Even people we consider to be mainstream conservatives, are jumping on the Anti-Palin bandwagon, and lobbing mudballs of their own! She is polarizing and seems to strike a nerve with the left, like no one else I can remember in my lifetime... but why? The only explanation I can find is, she is a threat. The left knows she has a tremendous public following, and she appeals to a great many Americans on a personal level, and this could be real trouble if the momentum continues. Those on the right who oppose her, are mostly afraid that if she did manage to get elected, it would further polarize the left and right, and we'd have another George Bush Syndrome... but... my theory is, that's going to happen anyway, because liberals know they can Bork whoever they need to, whenever they need to, and knee-jerk moderates will respond. It doesn't matter if we pick a 'moderate' like Romney or McCain, they will demonize them and turn them into pariahs all the same, because they aren't Marxist Socialists! My thinking is, if we are inevitably going to have to endure the bashing and trashing from the relentless left, it might as well be against someone who stands for solid core conservative values and principles, and not some wishy-washy appeaser who wants to cave to the liberals to get along.

Bottom line is this... If she runs, she will probably win the GOP nomination. At that point, establishment, moderate, libertarian, McCainian-type, Romneyites, will have to make a hard choice. If they stubbornly refuse to support her against Obama, he will win re-election. If that happens, we may not ever have to worry about this again, another 4 years of Marxist Socialism, and we may not even have the right to vote for a president... if our government is not completely overthrown or collapsed by 2016. So now you guys can line up and repost all your usual complaints of Palin, all the same old rhetoric, all the same condescending complaints and garbage... just keep rehashing it over and over again, and insisting she can't win, she's not qualified, she doesn't deserve your vote... whatever... And "republicans" can keep on joining liberals in the bashfest, with the idiot mindset they are somehow "helping" the conservative movement. We'll have to see if America has learned anything from the days of Bork, through Newt, and on to Bush and McCain. Can the liberals successfully destroy Sarah Palin using these same tactics yet again? Will the so-called "moderates" fall for the same thing once more? Or will true conservatives dig down deep inside, and understand, it doesn't matter what the other side says, it doesn't matter that they don't like our candidate, and the only thing that matters is how we ultimately vote.


The idea that Republican primary voters selected John McCain to be the Republican presidential candidate to appease liberals to be the funniest thing I've read in a long while.

Republicans don't do anything to appease liberals and, in fact, do just the opposite. Near as I can tell, there is no objective more important among conservatives that pissing off liberals. The right-wing's irrational love of a former half-term governor that nobody heard of prior to August 2008 is just more of that.
 
That may well be the case Three, but as you may have noticed i am not an American and, i say this with a tear in my eye, i have to admit that i have never been 'borked'. :(

And jolly well good that you haven't. For chaps such as us, who haven't been in a hearing for political office, imagine that you are in the bar, and some blokes begin assailing your character loudly to the bartenders and all of the patrons, thereby delaying your next drink for several hours until you either leave the establishment or win your case with bar keep?

:clink:
 
The idea that Republican primary voters selected John McCain to be the Republican presidential candidate to appease liberals to be the funniest thing I've read in a long while.

Republicans don't do anything to appease liberals and, in fact, do just the opposite. Near as I can tell, there is no objective more important among conservatives that pissing off liberals. The right-wing's irrational love of a former half-term governor that nobody heard of prior to August 2008 is just more of that.

So why did the Republicans select McCain, then? Surely it can't be because the base is 100% behind the man?
 
So why did the Republicans select McCain, then? Surely it can't be because the base is 100% behind the man?


I can't pretend to speak for Republican primary voters in general, but my guess is that he was the most conservative of the viable candidates.
 
LOL

mccain the most conservative....haahahahahahahaha

thats good stuff you got there, can i have some


Of the viable candidates. Which of the following do you consider viable Republican presidential candidates in 2008:

Huckabee
Ron Paul
Fred Thompson
Giuliani
Duncan Hunter

It's a hysterical list of no-chancers.

And the popular idea that McCain is not a conservative is really just horseshit. Aside from a brief period following his election loss to George Bush when McCain decided to be an asshole and oppose the stuff that Bush wanted, he is a fairly mainline conservative Republican.
 
I can't pretend to speak for Republican primary voters in general, but my guess is that he was the most conservative of the viable candidates.

while not speaking generally of the intelligence of republican primary voters, this can hardly even be looked at as truth, considering some of the other nominees.
 
while not speaking generally of the intelligence of republican primary voters, this can hardly even be looked at as truth, considering some of the other nominees.


Which of the other nominees do you consider viable candidates that are more conservative than McCain and on which issues?
 
Si, senor.

cool, but we have to disregard your 'viable' request because it would not really have relevance unless I picked the mayor of podunk, arkansas.

so, to continue....

during the runups to the primary voting, republicans had at least 3 better choices than mccain, had they not been swayed by MSM media campaigning. These are in no particular order of popularity.

1. Fred Thompson (he would actually have gotten my vote over ron paul)
2. Tom Tancredo
3. Ron Paul

Now, I understand most people will not want to include ron paul due to his viability, but again, i'm simply referring to those more conservative than mccain.
 
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