Study: Lesbian Mothers NEVER Abuse Their Children

cawacko

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This was a headline in today's SF Chronicle. When I see the word 'never' that little b.s. detector in my head will often go off. It turns out this was a GLBT backed study that interview 78 kids. 78. Does a study like this do anything to advance the cause?

I have a gay Aunt and I love her and her partner dearly but they are both human. And humans f up (sometimes really badly) and unfortunately that seems to include beating kids. Are lesbians somehow immune from this? I have a hard time believing that.



Study: Lesbian mothers never abuse their children

New findings from a longterm study reveal that kids of lesbian moms are never abused and are more likely to identify as bisexual.

Researchers working on the longest-running study of American lesbian mothers and their children have have found that lesbian mothers physically or sexually abuse their children never, zero percent to be precise.

In contrast, 26 of American teens as a whole report physical abuse by a parent or caregiver, and 8.3 percent sexual abuse.

This might not seem entirely surprising when you consider that women in general are less likely to abuse children and lesbian mothers have to put a lot of planning, time, thought, and money into having a child.

The study authors said: "The absence of child abuse in lesbian mother families is particularly noteworthy, because victimization of children is pervasive and its consequences can be devastating. To the extent that our findings are replicated by other researchers, these reports from adolescents with lesbian mothers have implications for healthcare professionals, policymakers, social service agencies, and child protection experts who seek family models in which violence does not occur."

Of course you have to keep in mind that the sample size was small. Researchers interviewed only 78 children. They asked the 17-year-old sons and daughters of lesbian mothers about their sexual abuse, sexual orientation, and sexual behavior.

In terms of sexual orientation, 2.8 percent of the kids considered themselves predominantly to exclusively homosexual.

Jezebel reports:

The study did find that daughters of lesbian parents were more likely to report same-sex contact, and more likely to identify as bisexual, than the general population. This could just mean that daughters of lesbian moms were more open about their sexuality and less likely to keep their behavior or identification under wraps. But surely homophobes will point to the data as evidence that lesbian moms turn girls gay. Those girls might then grow up to become lesbian moms themselves, thus perpetuating a vicious cycle in which children are repeatedly not abused. Clearly it's time to panic.

The U.S. National Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study (NLLFS) is in its 24th year at the the Williams Institute, a research center on sexual orientation law and public policy at UCLA School of Law.



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfmoms/detail?entry_id=76922
 
Are they immune to that, no. But there are some who may have a view they are MORE likely to abuse their kids, based on their own ignorance or bigotry.
 
Are they immune to that, no. But there are some who may have a view they are MORE likely to abuse their kids, based on their own ignorance or bigotry.

Ok, so a study that says they NEVER do it somehow counteracts that?
 
I can tell you this study is a total fabrication. When I was in Junior High I had a friend who had a lesbian mother who was probably the most violent parent I have ever seen, she beat her kids to an extremity even for our neighborhood which seemed to have many parents who believed in corporal punishment.
 
And who the hell does a study based on 78 people? Don't game shows like Family Feud, The Jokers Wild etc. etc. all survey 100 people in their questions?
 
And who the hell does a study based on 78 people? Don't game shows like Family Feud, The Jokers Wild etc. etc. all survey 100 people in their questions?

You can't do preliminary studies with large amounts of people. It's very common for preliminary studies to be done with fewer than 100 people, in fact it's pretty much universal.
 
I can tell you this study is a total fabrication. When I was in Junior High I had a friend who had a lesbian mother who was probably the most violent parent I have ever seen, she beat her kids to an extremity even for our neighborhood which seemed to have many parents who believed in corporal punishment.

I'm sorry? You told me you could show me why this study was a total fabrication, and you didn't. What was the point of your message?
 
I'm sorry? You told me you could show me why this study was a total fabrication, and you didn't. What was the point of your message?
The study says that the person that I knew could not exist, it is a fabrication. Much like any study that nets a result that they wanted to begin with, it is silly to pretend that there is some validity to a study that can be proved false by reality. If I did a study of 78 people who didn't get cancer from smoking would it mean that the conclusion that nobody gets cancer from smoking is valid?
 
I can tell you this study is a total fabrication. When I was in Junior High I had a friend who had a lesbian mother who was probably the most violent parent I have ever seen, she beat her kids to an extremity even for our neighborhood which seemed to have many parents who believed in corporal punishment.

So the study is based on 78 people, and yours is based on how many?
 
:palm:

all damo needs is ONE person to show how the study is full of shit

I was going to say... if the study says (insert group here) NEVER does something and someone shows that group doing something doesn't that either invalidate or at least throw doubt into the survey?
 
So the study is based on 78 people, and yours is based on how many?

I have a girlfriend whose husband was raised by his lesbian mother and her partner. I never heard all the details, but some was that his two moms liked to party and stay up late. As a child he would have to fend for himself in the mornings and for lunch if they had not awoken; get himself off to school etc. He also had to stay extremely quiet while they slept off their party nights and hangovers. To maintain the required "quiet" he tiptoed for hours everyday thereby ruining his arches from over developed achillies. If he was not quiet he faced a screamathon and time in a closet.

I am sure that abuse is related more to how a person is parented more than any other factor...the study is dumb.
 
So the study is based on 78 people, and yours is based on how many?
All it takes is one contrary to make the study worthless. A study reports that you never get cancer from smoking because it studied 78 people who smoked who didn't get cancer... What would that study be worth? When reality doesn't coincide with the conclusion, the study is worthless.
 
All it takes is one contrary to make the study worthless.

No, Damo. The study did not say that there's never been an instance of a lesbian ever abusing their children. That's what the headline said. The study didn't find any examples of abuse among the 78 families it surveyed, which seems to indicate that the rate is very low. The headline was sensationalistic.
 
No, Damo. The study did not say that there's never been an instance of a lesbian ever abusing their children. That's what the headline said. The study didn't find any examples of abuse among the 78 families it surveyed, which seems to indicate that the rate is very low. The headline was sensationalistic.

you spelled dishonest wrong...
 
A story that happened in Los Angeles a few years ago. I am sure this kid would disagree with the study.



A 5-year-old Los Angeles boy was fighting for his life today after suffering what police called one of the worst cases of child abuse they have seen, allegedly at the hands of his mother and her live-in girlfriend.

Police said the boy had countless cigarette burns all over his body, including his genitals, was unable to open his hands because he had been forced to put them flat on a hot stove, and was repeatedly beaten and forced to sit in his own urine.

"In my time in policing in 27 years, I have never seen anybody with these kinds of injuries that has lived," Los Angeles Police Department First Assistant Chief James McDonnell said. "And this kid must have a tremendous will to live to be able to still hang on despite what he's been through."

The boy's mother, Starkeisha Brown, 24, was arrested after she turned herself in to police on Friday evening.

Krystal Matthews, 19, who police described as Brown's live-in girlfriend, was arrested earlier Friday when she showed up for an appointment with the state Department of Children's Services, police said.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=5171807&page=1
 
A story that happened in Los Angeles a few years ago. I am sure this kid would disagree with the study.



A 5-year-old Los Angeles boy was fighting for his life today after suffering what police called one of the worst cases of child abuse they have seen, allegedly at the hands of his mother and her live-in girlfriend.

Police said the boy had countless cigarette burns all over his body, including his genitals, was unable to open his hands because he had been forced to put them flat on a hot stove, and was repeatedly beaten and forced to sit in his own urine.

"In my time in policing in 27 years, I have never seen anybody with these kinds of injuries that has lived," Los Angeles Police Department First Assistant Chief James McDonnell said. "And this kid must have a tremendous will to live to be able to still hang on despite what he's been through."

The boy's mother, Starkeisha Brown, 24, was arrested after she turned herself in to police on Friday evening.

Krystal Matthews, 19, who police described as Brown's live-in girlfriend, was arrested earlier Friday when she showed up for an appointment with the state Department of Children's Services, police said.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=5171807&page=1

Dear God in heaven this is a tragic story!
 
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