Deficit panel - hit SSI, mortgage deductions, medicare

You privatize SS and it will be one of the biggest bail outs our country has yet to come! This is giving the money to the Robber Barons of Wall Street! Have you all lost your minds? I just don't get this!!!!!
Just take SS out of the hands of the government being able to borrow from it, problem solved. People our age are going to start dying off very quickly with this terrible health system we have! the lack of doctors who take Medicare! There will be plenty of money for the future years!

Rana, that's ridiculous. First, medical advances are exponential; believe it or not, I have read that it is realistic that our life expectancies will not only pass 100 by the mid-century mark, but could even approach 150.

Second, the robber barons of Wall Street are us; most people have 401K's. There is no way mathematically that seniors will not end up with bigger checks if SS is privatized; it is historically proven.

Last, the problem is not solved if the gov't stops borrowing from SS. SS is a Ponzi scheme; it can't keep up with population & cost of living increases, period.
 
I'm all for addressing Medicare. That doesn't mean you don't deal w/ a timebomb like SS, particularly when privatizing can provide immediate benefits for deficit reduction.

It isn't a timebomb. But even assuming it was, please elaborate as to how your privatization plan produces positive outcomes from a debt perspective. I'm all ears, but I haven't seen a single such plan that actually achieves that result.

The math doesn't work: again - combine exponential population growth, with increasing life expectancies and costs of living, and there is no other conclusion to draw save for SS is an unsustainable program.

The math can work if you are willing to work on the revenue side of things. The problem is worker to beneficiary ratio.

1It's a shame, too, because SS just takes up a bigger portion of the pie every single year - crowding out other vital programs and making America fiscally weaker as a nation in the process....

That's all nonsensical horseshit. You've just collected a bunch of buzzwords and threw them together.
 
You crack me up. If you want to get concerned about an unsustainable program why don't you turn your attention to Medicare. There's a problem that needs fixing now. Social Security is doing just fine, thank you.

yet you whole heartedly support obama's new h/c which doesn't fix medicare and creates another huge mess....

we need to get rid of obamacare and fix medicare and expand it to include other ages, we don't need a new obamacare when we can't fix the current h/c in this country
 
Rana, that's ridiculous. First, medical advances are exponential; believe it or not, I have read that it is realistic that our life expectancies will not only pass 100 by the mid-century mark, but could even approach 150.

Second, the robber barons of Wall Street are us; most people have 401K's. There is no way mathematically that seniors will not end up with bigger checks if SS is privatized; it is historically proven.

Last, the problem is not solved if the gov't stops borrowing from SS. SS is a Ponzi scheme; it can't keep up with population & cost of living increases, period.
Well, I will have to see proof, what would have happened to people SS last big stock market dip? I know what happened to my private investments! I think everyone's money being in the market is a real risk! Wall Street is glorified gambling. I have always thought so, and if you can afford to do it, fine...whatever happened to buying bonds?
 
What a dullard, wages have been stagnate for 30 years, wanna gut middle America! How kind of you! No penalty for Wall Street, just main street! Yeah Tea Time Republicans!
2009 Federal Pay Raise:
3.9% Increase for Federal Employees
2009 Pay Tables Now Available

2010 Pay Raise
December 24, 2009 - Yesterday, President Obama issued an executive order implementing an overall 2.0 percent 2010 federal pay raise for civilian employees.

This pay adjustment includes a 1.5 percent nationwide increase in base pay and a 0.5 percent average increase in locality pay.

The federal pay raise takes effect on January 1, 2010, or on the first day of the first applicable pay period beginning on or after January 1.
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2011 Pay Raise
On July 29, 2010, the Senate Appropriations Committee passed the Fiscal 2011 Financial Services and General Government spending bill which included a 1.4 percent 2011 federal pay raise -- the same figure that President Obama requested earlier this year for the General Schedule 2011 (GS) pay scale.

The determination of the annual federal employee pay raise is a long process, and the final figures for the 2011 GS pay scale won't be released likely until December 2010.


I'm not here to freakin' educate you every day, but you ought to bone up on the facts before you runoff at the mouth....
 
2009 Federal Pay Raise:
3.9% Increase for Federal Employees
2009 Pay Tables Now Available

2010 Pay Raise
December 24, 2009 - Yesterday, President Obama issued an executive order implementing an overall 2.0 percent 2010 federal pay raise for civilian employees.

This pay adjustment includes a 1.5 percent nationwide increase in base pay and a 0.5 percent average increase in locality pay.

The federal pay raise takes effect on January 1, 2010, or on the first day of the first applicable pay period beginning on or after January 1.
======
2011 Pay Raise
On July 29, 2010, the Senate Appropriations Committee passed the Fiscal 2011 Financial Services and General Government spending bill which included a 1.4 percent 2011 federal pay raise -- the same figure that President Obama requested earlier this year for the General Schedule 2011 (GS) pay scale.

The determination of the annual federal employee pay raise is a long process, and the final figures for the 2011 GS pay scale won't be released likely until December 2010.


I'm not here to freakin' educate you every day, but you ought to bone up on the facts before you runoff at the mouth....
I would rather go after Wall Street than federal and state workers!
 
I see Rana thought it better to bail out on these thread....I don't blame the simpleton...

Think she'll admit her being wrong .....maybe apologize ?

I doubt it....

:rofl:
 
I see Rana thought it better to bail out on these thread....I don't blame the simpleton...

Think she'll admit her being wrong .....maybe apologize ?

I doubt it....

:rofl:
What are you talking about? ...what is there to apologize for?
 
I would rather go after Wall Street than federal and state workers!
WE, the taxpayers, don't pay the fat cats on Wall Street.....
Don't send you money to them and that will be that....
You don't coonfiscate my property and give it to already overpaid government leeches....

Otherwise, it none of your business what other people in the private sector get paid....from CEO's to Walmart floor sweepers....
 
Because there is a lot that can be done over the next 27 years to ensure that those cuts to scheduled benefits will not happen. Worrying today about a problem that far off in the distance is insane, particularly when there are much more serious issues that need to be dealt with in a much shorter time frame, particularly Medicare.

Seems to me we continually kick things down the road until they become crisises. Why is it insane to deal ahead of time with something as important and as large as SS?
 
What are you talking about? ...what is there to apologize for?
When I'm wrong, I admit it....

You claimed federal worker wages were stagnant...what bullshit....I showed you the raises they got just in the last 2 years and another in 2012

So your nasty post was uncalled for....

"What a dullard, wages have been stagnate for 30 years, ..... Tea Time Republicans! "
 
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You privatize SS and it will be one of the biggest bail outs our country has yet to come! This is giving the money to the Robber Barons of Wall Street! Have you all lost your minds? I just don't get this!!!!!
Just take SS out of the hands of the government being able to borrow from it, problem solved. People our age are going to start dying off very quickly with this terrible health system we have! the lack of doctors who take Medicare! There will be plenty of money for the future years!

1) The funds of SS are currently located at JP MORGAN... you know... those 'robber barrons'

2) AGAIN... privatization does NOT mean the money HAS to be invested in the stock market. It simply means the government can't touch the funds. The individuals have control of their own accounts. It doesn't mean you let them invest in anything they wish. You can still restrict the assets to OPTIONS of T-bonds and the Wilshire 5000 index/S&P500 Index etc...

3) Our health care system is one of the best in the world. You want to make it more affordable? Great.... GO BACK TO MAKING PEOPLE PAY FOR THEIR OWN HEALTH CARE. Those ever increasing number of obese Americans can choose to either get their fat asses in shape or pay higher premiums. Just as those who CHOOSE to smoke have to pay higher premiums. Ever since we went to the idiotic guaranteed coverage of employer based plans, health care costs have sky rocketed. Go BACK to the high deductible plans we saw in the 50's. We each pay for the expenses up to say $2k or $5k, but are covered for catastrophic care so that people aren't forced into bankruptcy.

Those with cancer etc... that cannot get insurance... THOSE are the ones we can create a government program for. We don't need the government involved otherwise. It is their insane meddling that has driven costs up. All under the guise of 'free health care'.
 
I was just about to post this.

How about this one, privatization-opposers? What good is SS if they are going to have to keep reducing benefits, and raising the age?

Privatize, and everyone wins. SS as a public program is unsustainable....

Baloney

Wall Street Targets the Elderly

Looting Social Security

By Paul Craig Roberts - served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration earning fame as a co-founder of Reaganomics.

Hank Paulson, the Gold Sacks bankster/US Treasury Secretary, who deregulated the financial system, caused a world crisis that wrecked the prospects of foreign banks and governments, caused millions of Americans to lose retirement savings, homes, and jobs, and left taxpayers burdened with multi-trillions of dollars of new US debt, is still not in jail. He is writing in the New York Times urging that the mess he caused be fixed by taking away from working Americans the Social Security and Medicare for which they have paid in earmarked taxes all their working lives.

Wall Street’s approach to the poor has always been to drive them deeper into the ground.

As there is no money to be made from the poor, Wall Street fleeces them by yanking away their entitlements. It has always been thus. During the Reagan administration, Wall Street decided to boost the values of its bond and stock portfolios by using Social Security revenues to lower budget deficits. Wall Street figured that lower deficits would mean lower interest rates and higher bond and stock prices.

Two Wall Street henchmen, Alan Greenspan and David Stockman, set up the Social Security raid in this way: The Carter administration had put Social Security in the black for the foreseeable future by establishing a schedule for future Social Security payroll tax increases. Greenspan and Stockman conspired to phase in the payroll tax increases earlier than was needed in order to gain surplus Social Security revenues that could be used to finance other government spending, thus reducing the budget deficit. They sold it to President Reagan as “putting Social Security on a sound basis.”

Along the way Americans were told that the surplus revenues were going into a special Social Security trust fund at the U.S. Treasury. But what is in the fund is Treasury IOUs for the spent revenues. When the “trust funds” are needed to pay Social Security benefits, the Treasury will have to sell more debt in order to redeem the IOUs.

Social Security was mugged again during the Clinton administration when the Boskin Commission jimmied the Consumer Price Index in order to reduce the inflation adjustments that Social Security recipients receive, thus diverting money from Social Security retirees to other uses.

We constantly hear from Wall Street gangsters and from Republicans and an occasional Democrat that Social Security and Medicare are a form of welfare that we can’t afford, an “unfunded liability.” This is a lie. Social Security is funded with an earmarked tax. People pay for Social Security and Medicare all their working lives. It is a pay-as-you-go system in which the taxes paid by those working fund those who are retired.

Currently these systems are not in deficit. The problem is that government is using earmarked revenues for other purposes.
Indeed, since the 1980s Social Security revenues have been used to fund general government. Today Social Security revenues are being used to fund trillion dollar bailouts for Wall Street and to fund the Bush/Obama wars of aggression against Muslims.

Having diverted Social Security revenues to war and Wall Street, Paulson says there is no alternative but to take the promised benefits away from those who have paid for them.

Republicans have extraordinary animosity toward the poor. In an effort to talk retirees out of their support systems, Republicans frequently describe Social Security as a Ponzi scheme and “unsustainable.” They ought to know. The phony trust fund, which they set up to hide the fact that Wall Street and the Pentagon are running off with Social Security revenues, is a Ponzi scheme. Social Security itself has been with us since the 1930s and has yet to wreck our lives and budget. But it only took Hank Paulson’s derivative Ponzi scheme and its bailout a few years to inflict irreparable damage on our lives and budget.

Years ago with stagflation defeated and a rising stock market, I favored privatizing Social Security as a way of creating a funded retirement system and producing greater savings and larger incomes for retirees. At that time Wall Street was interested, not for my reasons, but in order to collect the fees from managing the funds.

Had Social Security been privatized, I doubt that Wall Street would have been permitted to deregulate the financial system. Too much would have been at stake.

After the latest crisis brought on by Wall Street’s dishonesty and greed, trusting Wall Street to manage anyone’s old age pension requires a leap of faith that no intelligent person can make.

Wall Street has got away with its raid on the public treasury. Now, pockets full, it wants to pay for the heist by curtailing Social Security and Medicare. Having deprived the working population of homes, jobs, and health care, Wall Street is now after the elderly’s old age security.

Social Security, formerly an untouchable “third rail of politics,” is now “unsustainable,” while the real unsustainables--a pre-1929 unregulated financial system and open-ended multi-trillion dollar Global War Against Terror--are the new untouchables. This transformation signals the complete capture of American democracy by an oligarchy of special interests.

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts02192010.html
 
We constantly hear from Wall Street gangsters and from Republicans and an occasional Democrat that Social Security and Medicare are a form of welfare that we can’t afford, an “unfunded liability.” This is a lie. Social Security is funded with an earmarked tax. People pay for Social Security and Medicare all their working lives. It is a pay-as-you-go system in which the taxes paid by those working fund those who are retired.

Currently these systems are not in deficit. The problem is that government is using earmarked revenues for other purposes.


Thank you.. This is the fact. If I pay 7% and my employer pays 7% my whole life then I should get a benefit. For someone who is a 100K+ employee who works from age 22-62 thats 560K in money that is contributed on that employees behalf over a 40year period.

Make a law that separates the two funds.. No more SSI mixed with the general fund. Make it constitutionally illegal to borrow funds from this money.
 
Baloney

Wall Street Targets the Elderly

Looting Social Security

By Paul Craig Roberts - served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration earning fame as a co-founder of Reaganomics.

Hank Paulson, the Gold Sacks bankster/US Treasury Secretary, who deregulated the financial system, caused a world crisis that wrecked the prospects of foreign banks and governments, caused millions of Americans to lose retirement savings, homes, and jobs, and left taxpayers burdened with multi-trillions of dollars of new US debt, is still not in jail. He is writing in the New York Times urging that the mess he caused be fixed by taking away from working Americans the Social Security and Medicare for which they have paid in earmarked taxes all their working lives.

Wall Street’s approach to the poor has always been to drive them deeper into the ground.

As there is no money to be made from the poor, Wall Street fleeces them by yanking away their entitlements. It has always been thus. During the Reagan administration, Wall Street decided to boost the values of its bond and stock portfolios by using Social Security revenues to lower budget deficits. Wall Street figured that lower deficits would mean lower interest rates and higher bond and stock prices.

Two Wall Street henchmen, Alan Greenspan and David Stockman, set up the Social Security raid in this way: The Carter administration had put Social Security in the black for the foreseeable future by establishing a schedule for future Social Security payroll tax increases. Greenspan and Stockman conspired to phase in the payroll tax increases earlier than was needed in order to gain surplus Social Security revenues that could be used to finance other government spending, thus reducing the budget deficit. They sold it to President Reagan as “putting Social Security on a sound basis.”

Along the way Americans were told that the surplus revenues were going into a special Social Security trust fund at the U.S. Treasury. But what is in the fund is Treasury IOUs for the spent revenues. When the “trust funds” are needed to pay Social Security benefits, the Treasury will have to sell more debt in order to redeem the IOUs.

Social Security was mugged again during the Clinton administration when the Boskin Commission jimmied the Consumer Price Index in order to reduce the inflation adjustments that Social Security recipients receive, thus diverting money from Social Security retirees to other uses.

We constantly hear from Wall Street gangsters and from Republicans and an occasional Democrat that Social Security and Medicare are a form of welfare that we can’t afford, an “unfunded liability.” This is a lie. Social Security is funded with an earmarked tax. People pay for Social Security and Medicare all their working lives. It is a pay-as-you-go system in which the taxes paid by those working fund those who are retired.

Currently these systems are not in deficit. The problem is that government is using earmarked revenues for other purposes.
Indeed, since the 1980s Social Security revenues have been used to fund general government. Today Social Security revenues are being used to fund trillion dollar bailouts for Wall Street and to fund the Bush/Obama wars of aggression against Muslims.

Having diverted Social Security revenues to war and Wall Street, Paulson says there is no alternative but to take the promised benefits away from those who have paid for them.

Republicans have extraordinary animosity toward the poor. In an effort to talk retirees out of their support systems, Republicans frequently describe Social Security as a Ponzi scheme and “unsustainable.” They ought to know. The phony trust fund, which they set up to hide the fact that Wall Street and the Pentagon are running off with Social Security revenues, is a Ponzi scheme. Social Security itself has been with us since the 1930s and has yet to wreck our lives and budget. But it only took Hank Paulson’s derivative Ponzi scheme and its bailout a few years to inflict irreparable damage on our lives and budget.

Years ago with stagflation defeated and a rising stock market, I favored privatizing Social Security as a way of creating a funded retirement system and producing greater savings and larger incomes for retirees. At that time Wall Street was interested, not for my reasons, but in order to collect the fees from managing the funds.

Had Social Security been privatized, I doubt that Wall Street would have been permitted to deregulate the financial system. Too much would have been at stake.

After the latest crisis brought on by Wall Street’s dishonesty and greed, trusting Wall Street to manage anyone’s old age pension requires a leap of faith that no intelligent person can make.

Wall Street has got away with its raid on the public treasury. Now, pockets full, it wants to pay for the heist by curtailing Social Security and Medicare. Having deprived the working population of homes, jobs, and health care, Wall Street is now after the elderly’s old age security.

Social Security, formerly an untouchable “third rail of politics,” is now “unsustainable,” while the real unsustainables--a pre-1929 unregulated financial system and open-ended multi-trillion dollar Global War Against Terror--are the new untouchables. This transformation signals the complete capture of American democracy by an oligarchy of special interests.

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts02192010.html
Why don't you boil it all down and tell us, WHATS YOUR POINT?

You claim the gov. is sending the SS contributions to Wall Street?
Is that right?

Wall Street fleeces them by yanking away their entitlements. ????
Whats this about? You claiming Wall St. Is legislating laws???

We have no control what the gov. does with our SS contributions after they get their hands on the money....

What is you point?
 
Why don't you boil it all down and tell us, WHATS YOUR POINT?

You claim the gov. is sending the SS contributions to Wall Street?
Is that right?

Wall Street fleeces them by yanking away their entitlements. ????
Whats this about? You claiming Wall St. Is legislating laws???

We have no control what the gov. does with our SS contributions after they get their hands on the money....

What is you point?

Read the article, then send an e-mail to: Paul Craig Roberts, served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration earning fame as a co-founder of Reaganomics. PaulCraigRoberts@yahoo.com
 
Read the article, then send an e-mail to: Paul Craig Roberts, served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration earning fame as a co-founder of Reaganomics. PaulCraigRoberts@yahoo.com

You posted it pinhead.....
I read the article and I'm asking YOU why the hell you posted it....
WHAT WAS YOUR POINT?...or do you just want to show us how well you and cut and paste?:confused:



Could be Mr. Roberts has a bit of a pointy head too...
 
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