cawacko
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Your whole everything is liberal or conservative is like saying everyone in America is white or black. It ain't like that. There is a lot of mix involved.
San Francisco bans Happy Meals
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Your whole everything is liberal or conservative is like saying everyone in America is white or black. It ain't like that. There is a lot of mix involved.
Bfgrn
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There used to be a lot more mix involved. Not anymore. I believe Lee Atwater, Karl Rove, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Micheal Levin, and all of right wing talk radio have created a polarization that is devouring or country.
They have made liberals the enemy. It makes me sick...
cawacko
Well-known member
Dude, there are millions of Americans who are not partisans, not Republicans or Democrats not liberals or conservatives. I live in maybe the most liberal city in America, San Francisco, and I know this. If you are so partisan that you can't see it then I'm sorry. That's on you bro.
Bfgrn
New member
Then maybe you are insulated because you live in an area where liberalism is accepted and tolerance is still alive. You are out of touch with reality.
I live in western New York, in the same town I grew up in. When I was growing up in the 50's and 60's, I had long hair and played in a rock band. Not ONCE during that time was I ever stopped by the local police. And NONE of my friends were ever stopped. I got one ticket for doing 40 in a 30 where radar was set up.
Today, the local police regularly stop teenagers black and white for either bogus traffic infractions or outright blatant profiling. EVERY kid that is stopped is asked if they can be searched. If he refuses, 4 or 5 squad cars swarm the scene including police dogs. They WILL and DO search the person(s) and vehicle. It is just a matter of how; either by consent or intimidation and force if necessary. THAT is not the America I was raised in.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
But you are a coward.
I have posted the Tofu kids meal challange on here, numerous times, and it's obvious that the idea scares you; because you know your premise is full of shit and therefore you don't dare try to prove yourself correct,
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Is the music on an Ice Cream truck the hook to get kids to buy the ice cream, or is the ice cream a hook to get the kids to listen to the music??
Which one should be banned next, by the Banana Republic of San Francisco??
Which one should be banned next, by the Banana Republic of San Francisco??
Zurt
Banned
Apparently, some folks slept through Civics.
If a duly-elected local legislataive body passes an ordinance banning a toy in a Happy Meal, or music on ice cream trucks, or spitting on the sidewalk, IT'S THE LAW in that jurisdiction, unless it's overturned or repealed.
It doesn't matter one whit whether or not YOU think the ordinance was neccesary, unjust, or intrusive.
Especially if you don't live in said jurisdiction.
The folks who DO live there can elect new representatives who will repeal ordinances they don't want to obey, and the courts are available to overturn ordinances that are unconstitutional.
Glad I could straighten that out for you.
If a duly-elected local legislataive body passes an ordinance banning a toy in a Happy Meal, or music on ice cream trucks, or spitting on the sidewalk, IT'S THE LAW in that jurisdiction, unless it's overturned or repealed.
It doesn't matter one whit whether or not YOU think the ordinance was neccesary, unjust, or intrusive.
Especially if you don't live in said jurisdiction.
The folks who DO live there can elect new representatives who will repeal ordinances they don't want to obey, and the courts are available to overturn ordinances that are unconstitutional.
Glad I could straighten that out for you.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
That's a load of crap on two levels Soc. First, your marginalizing those who disagree with by using "liberal" as a pejorative. That is so far beneath you and I know you know better then that. Second, we have been regulating the food industry for a very long time indeed. If you want to go back to Upton Sinclairs "The Muck Rackers" about the meat packing industry and then discuss the regulations that brought into play to make sure the meat we consumed was safe to eat, and I'm sure we can go further back then that
You're whole argument is a canard. Big bad bogey man government isn't stepping in and telling you what to do personally. There not saying you can't eat your fast/junk food. They are regulating how those products are distributed and marketed. I can give you example after example of how government regulates how much sugar, caffiene, nicotene, trans-fats, food additives, preservatives, etc, etc that are put into foods that have adverse affects on human health. Just as correctly, when advances determine food preparation practices are unsafe it is incumbant upon our government to implement affective regulations to assure that the food we eat and drink are safe and to argue other wise is just more silly anarcholibertarian non-sense.
Zurt
Banned
Using Bung-licker logic, the government should not prevent the marketing of tobacco or alcohol to children.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
That's exactly the point I've been trying to make.
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you are seriously a moron....
alcohol and tobacco are the actual substance and neither has anything to do with food...you're confusing a TOY with the actual meal....banning a TOY does nothing to prevent the intake of the burger, fries and a coke
alcohol and tobacco have no nutritional value, on the other hand a burger, fries and a coke do....you may not approve of their nutritional value, but they have value...why don't you just stand up and demand the governnment ban all fatty and sugary foods for kids....
i dare you to march down to your town hall and demand this, you won't, because you know what a fool you would look like, so you anonymously peddle your nonsense on the interwebs
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Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
Point of order, alcohol has some nutritional value. It contains 7 calories per gram.
Thats odd....I distinctly remember Pres. Obama call anyone and everyone that doesn't agree with him the "enemy" just recently.....don't you?
I don't give a rats ass what Rush or Rove say, but when the POTUS says something so polarizing, I pay attention...
You act like Olbermann, Matthews, Pelosi, Reid and others never said anything resembling that....you're perception is so distorted it a wonder you can walk without hitting the walls....
cawacko
Well-known member
WTF, three people thanked the troll for this? Are you serious? No one is arguing 'duly elected local legislative bodies' can't pass laws. We are saying there is a terrible and pointless fucking law (yes DQ I swore, please neg rep me).
Zurt
Banned
Maybe you don't understand the American system of government.
This is how our government works:
The electorate (in this case, registered voters in San Francisco) chooses representatives through the balloting process, and the representatives (for instance, the Board Of Supervisors) draft legislation (i.e. ordinances), which is then passed into law by a majority vote.
That then becomes the law in that jurisdiction.
If any of the electorate disagrees with the legislation, they nominate candidates who promise to change the law.
Then, at the next scheduled election, the voters can elect different representatives who change the law, if enough of them feel that the law should be changed.
Got it?
No need to thank me.
Glad I could help,
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no kidding...they are obviously as stupid as the troll
most likely because they know their stance is worthless....so input red herring in order to try and make a valid point, pat self on back...rinse and repeat
Good Luck
New member
When government comes along and says, basically, "You need to feed your children better, or we will take away your toys", then yes, that is the quintessential definition of mommyism is government.
Where mental disease comes in is when people AGREE with mommyism in government.
People choose happy meals because it is easy. Easy to order, easy to transport, easy to get the kids to eat, etc. etc. etc. Yes they get a toy inside, too. So what would (did) parents order for their children BEFORE the advent of the Happy Meal with its Satan inspired evil "hook" of adding a toy to a pre-defined meal? Umm, probably a hamburger (cheeseburger), fries and a small soda. What will parents in SF order for their children now that mommy government took away their toys for being bad? A happy meal with a hamburger (cheeseburger), fries, and small soda. End result when it comes to eating better --> NADA. Which pretty much makes this an outright STUPID law, because it does NOTHING other than intrude unnecessarily on people's lives. And it also makes people who support such laws equally (if not more) stupid.
The sad part is you actually admit the base motivation for this move is due to the existence of a government sponsored health care plan. Yet when opponents to universal government health care warned that the advent of such a plan will result in laws governing our lives in the way we eat and act, we were passed off as "paranoid". I guess we weren't so paranoid after all. So what happens next when taking away our toys for not eating properly fails? How much government intrusion do you advocate in battling obesity in our society?
Good Luck
New member
Obviously you can track the process, but have zero comprehension of what it actually means. First, cawacko has admitted to living there. Pretty much makes it his concern, doesn't it. So, what is one of the details you left out? Oh, that's right, when people see a law passed they do not like, THEY COMPLAIN. If they want the law changed, they make sure others know WHY the law is a bad law. If no one complains, how does the desire for change propagate?
Additionally, laws from other states or localities do not exist entirely in vacuum. So when people see a law passed in a different state or locality which they disagree with, they have the right - even the duty - to express their concerns over the law, and do so in such a manner so as to prevent their own local governments from passing a similar law.
You see, YOU focus on the authority of government to fuck us at will, wherein our only recourse is reactive. WE, however, focus on OUR right to protect our liberties, PROACTIVELY, and to criticize when government - ANY government - pulls a bone headed stunt like banning toys in fast food childrens' meals.
Bfgrn
New member
You ARE paranoid, over a fucking TOY. Nothing is missing from the Happy Meal the kid can ingest...EXCEPT...without the toy, the child and/or parent may choose something different. Do we really need our children being offered a reward for eating poorly? Do you have any solutions to address the obesity epidemic that is costing YOU $$$$$???
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Obviously something MUCH healthier. Probably a lunch packed at home, with an apple and maybe raw carrots...
BECAUSE...
Our fast-food culture has produced a population with widespread chronic illness and is a primary reason that health care costs are taking a devastating toll on just about everyone.
The annual health insurance premiums paid by the average American family now exceed the gross yearly income of a full-time minimum wage worker. Every 30 seconds, someone in the U.S. files for bankruptcy due to the costs of treating a health problem. Starbucks spends more on the health insurance of its workers than it does on coffee.
Medical care costs in the U.S. have not always been this excessive. This year, we will spend more than $2.5 trillion on medical care. But in 1950, five years before Ray Kroc opened the first franchised McDonald's restaurant, Americans only spent $8.4 billion ($70 billion in today's dollars). Even after adjusting for inflation, we now spend as much on health care every 10 days as we did in the entire year of 1950.
Has this enormous increase in spending made us healthier? Earlier this year, when the World Health Organization assessed the overall health outcomes of different nations, it placed 36 other nations ahead of the United States.
Today, we have an epidemic of largely preventable diseases. To these illnesses, Americans are losing not only their health but also their life savings. Meanwhile, the evidence keeps growing that the path to improved health lies in eating more vegetables, fruits, whole grains and legumes, and eating far less processed foods, sugars and animal products.
It's striking to me that in all the heated debates we have had about health care reform, one basic fact has rarely been discussed, and that is the one thing that could dramatically bring down the costs of health care while improving the health of our people. Studies have shown that 50 to 70 percent of the nation's health care costs are preventable, and the single most effective step most people can take to improve their health is to eat a healthier diet. If Americans were to stop overeating, to stop eating unhealthy foods and to instead eat more foods with higher nutrient densities and cancer protective properties, we could have a more affordable, sustainable and effective health care system.
Is it McDonald's fault that more than 63 percent of Americans are overweight or obese, making us the fattest nation in the history of the world? I don't think so, because each of us is responsible for what we put in our mouths and in the mouths of our children. Plus many other fast food chains serve food that is just as harmful. But the company is playing a significant role in generating our national appetite for unhealthy foods. McDonald's is by far the largest food advertiser in the country, spending more than one billion dollars a year on direct media advertising.
Much of McDonald's advertising is aimed at children, and it's been effective. Every month, approximately nine out of 10 American children eat at a McDonald's restaurant. Most U.S. children can recognize McDonald's before they can speak. Tragically, one in every three children born this year in the U.S. will develop diabetes in their lifetime.
Of course, fast food is not the only cause of the tragic rise of obesity and diabetes in our society. Our culture has become pathologically sedentary. Watching television and sitting in front of computer monitors for hour upon hour doesn't help. But the high sugar and high fat foods sold by McDonald's and the other fast food restaurants is certainly a major part of the problem. You would have to walk for seven hours without stopping to burn off the calories from a Big Mac, a Coke and an order of fries.
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