What do Americans think

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

My God, will you guys give it up and go learn some World History? There has never been a socialist government system that worked in any nation larger than Sweeden. They have always collapsed and failed, and always will. Government-controlled economies simply do not work in high population countries, because socialism stifles individual spirit. That's the part you pinheads keep missing! On paper, it looks like it would work, it appears you have the perfect system, and all the needs of the many are taken care of, everyone shares everything equally, and there is no division of class, but that fails over time, because there is no incentive to succeed and produce. What difference does it make if you work harder? What difference can it make, if the government is simply going to redistribute the fruits of your hard work? You set up a system where no one is motivated to do any more than they essentially must do, or are forced to do. Once the despair sets in, it's all over, the system fails. Socialists continually fail to understand human behavior, and factor that into the equation. It looks good on paper, but fails in practice. Time and time again, throughout history, mostly in European and Asian countries, people have embraced a socialist form of government, with the hopes of lifting the poor out of poverty by redistributing wealth, and it simply never works.

What is the saddest part, is the aftermath. The course that is taken when the system is on the rocks and failing. People become discontent, disgruntled, angry, and eventually devolve into chaotic civil unrest and wars among themselves. This exacerbates the problems, and makes things even worse. Freedom is a concept WE cultivated and nurtured, and forged a nation around. The idea that ALL MEN are created equal, and endowed their rights by their Creator, not by Governments. It is this idea of exceptionalism and freedom, that has created the greatest most powerful nation ever known to mankind. Free market capitalism and free enterprise, unleashing the entrepreneurial spirit of man, and enabling him to reach his full potential. The promise that hard work and dedication reaps prosperity and reward, not punishment. We've gotten way off track with that concept, seeking to 'integrate' European socialist ideals into our system, because pinheads just can't seem to let go of the romantic notion that a socialist system promises, but always fails to deliver. They keep thinking, this time it will work, this time we'll make it work, but it never works, and it never will.

 

[DamnYankee]

Finally signs of intelligence on this board.

So how do you stop the international monetary system that has enslaved the world?

In your case, the Federal Reserve that is a private institution, owned by investors outside the USA, has a credit monopoly for the most part.

And a monetary system not backed by GOLD. Which is unconstitutional.

The question is...How do you get the devil out of your home, once he was let in and has taken control?

Rand Paul was leading a grass movement to take down the Federal Reserve(or at least have it audited) but it was all talk and it fizzled(by design). Plus after Obama passed those Economic over hauls? The federal reserve has come out even stronger....

The way to take it down is to educate the American public, who will vote for legislators who will write it out of existence.

 

[Damocles]

WRONG!!

Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the late 1980s the last Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev tried to reform the state with his policies of perestroika and glasnost, but the Soviet Union collapsed and was formally dissolved in December 1991 after the abortive August coup attempt.[8] Since then the Russian Federation has been exercising its rights and fulfilling its obligations.[9]

Not wrong. You are just confused as to when I got out. The USSR collapsed after I got out of the military.

Lies. Proof please. If the tanks were so bad, they wouldn't have won the greatest tank battle in history against the Germans. Sure they had numbers, but the tanks were built to last.

You are again mistaken. Their tank crews had to carry their own rebreathers because the tanks so often failed during underwater crossings drowning their crews and leaving their tanks useless. If the engine shut off during crossing you had exactly 6 seconds to restart it before the engine started to drown and the cabin started to fill. While the tank was well enough built if you brought it out (one was underwater for 56 years and still started when they brought it up) there was no fix to bring those suckers back up. They solved this problem by using huge amounts of them and counted "acceptable losses".

If it wasn't for leaked technology secrets, the Americans would have still been flying kites. The Russians were always one step ahead of the Americans.
The only problem is that a large part of the economy was geared for Military or they would have been a very prosperous country.

This is total rubbish. Soviet technology was based on tube tech, while ours was solid state. This was because they feared EMP. It wasn't "leaked" technology from Toshiba, they sold them the mills that were able to grind quiet screws for their submarines. They had one that was ever a match to ours while I was in, the Akula (shark, directly translated).

If this indeed was the case, it was due to effects of the world wars. They lost the most men in world war one and by far the most men in world war II.
They have vast acres of unused land and farming equipment. What would prevent them from making enough food to not only feed them but the entire eastern Hemisphere? They may have a problem finding buyers but not with supply.

It was due to the effects of the centralized economy. Again, when perestroika came they began to allow people who worked the farms to have a small portion that they could sell from, that tiny portion of the farms produced as much as the state run farms.

It is you that doesn't like reality. This was after the collapse of the Soviet Union when the centralized government(Oligarchs) Made a run for it and left them in a state of confusion. But you can continue to be in denial.

No, it wasn't. The reality is I was speaking to people who had lived there all their lives, all you have is your assertion that their centralized economy somehow ran efficiently, despite direct testimony. You are sitting and "wishing" rather than paying attention.

All that is still not even payed for!.LOL How much is your deficit? ALL bought and paid for with? Worthless credit. Any idiot can run a successful country on IOU's.LOL

This is silly, the vast majority of the "poor" purchase directly without credit and still own two cars, have apartments with air conditioning, watch cable TV from every room of their house, and have enough food to have problems with obesity.

The standing in line was after the collapse. get your facts straight.

No. It wasn't. It was all during the lives of those who taught us.

I noticed you didn't comment on The Oligarchs fleeing to France, Britain and the USA(The so called evil communists were welcomed with open arms by the capitalists). Strange hey?

Because none of that matters to what I have stated. The planned economy was often inefficient, provided little incentive, and caused shortages for even the simplest items all throughout the history of the Soviet Union.

Not really when you figure it was the capitalists that financed the USSR(Bolsheviks) in the first place. The federal reserves were behind the USSR. Create an enemy and then make trillions of building up arms between the two sides. Brilliant really.

What I meant was in a socialist country. There is no private business, It is all government controlled. All the businesses are controlled by government.

In a socialist country they are all OWNED by the government. In a fascist economy they are CONTROLLED by the government (When the government retools your car factory to produce tanks and ordinance for instance, you still own it, you just produce what they tell you to produce rather than what the market will bear). There is a huge difference between the two, they are both totalitarian, but they are not the same thing and you should be careful to be accurate.

 

[wiseones2cents]

My God, will you guys give it up and go learn some World History? There has never been a socialist government system that worked in any nation larger than Sweeden. They have always collapsed and failed, and always will. Government-controlled economies simply do not work in high population countries, because socialism stifles individual spirit. That's the part you pinheads keep missing! On paper, it looks like it would work, it appears you have the perfect system, and all the needs of the many are taken care of, everyone shares everything equally, and there is no division of class, but that fails over time, because there is no incentive to succeed and produce. What difference does it make if you work harder? What difference can it make, if the government is simply going to redistribute the fruits of your hard work? You set up a system where no one is motivated to do any more than they essentially must do, or are forced to do. Once the despair sets in, it's all over, the system fails. Socialists continually fail to understand human behavior, and factor that into the equation. It looks good on paper, but fails in practice. Time and time again, throughout history, mostly in European and Asian countries, people have embraced a socialist form of government, with the hopes of lifting the poor out of poverty by redistributing wealth, and it simply never works.

What is the saddest part, is the aftermath. The course that is taken when the system is on the rocks and failing. People become discontent, disgruntled, angry, and eventually devolve into chaotic civil unrest and wars among themselves. This exacerbates the problems, and makes things even worse. Freedom is a concept WE cultivated and nurtured, and forged a nation around. The idea that ALL MEN are created equal, and endowed their rights by their Creator, not by Governments. It is this idea of exceptionalism and freedom, that has created the greatest most powerful nation ever known to mankind. Free market capitalism and free enterprise, unleashing the entrepreneurial spirit of man, and enabling him to reach his full potential. The promise that hard work and dedication reaps prosperity and reward, not punishment. We've gotten way off track with that concept, seeking to 'integrate' European socialist ideals into our system, because pinheads just can't seem to let go of the romantic notion that a socialist system promises, but always fails to deliver. They keep thinking, this time it will work, this time we'll make it work, but it never works, and it never will.

We are not talking about socialism. We are talking about the Federal Reserve.

And socialism does not necessarily mean what you think it means. That is just one form of socialism. There are many others that allow one to get ahead if he/she works hard.

I worked very hard in a capitalist company and it meant nothing to the employer(who was hardly ever there anyways). He(manager) was more concerned with seniority(his buddies)....Not only that? When you work hard, you gain alot of enemies that would like nothing more then to get you fired, because when you work hard(and you catch on quick), it makes them look bad and they fear you will take their job.

The Bible speaks against competition which is what capitalism is all about.

Lets get back to the federal reserve.....

 

[wiseones2cents]

The way to take it down is to educate the American public, who will vote for legislators who will write it out of existence.

But the lies of the Elites drown out logic. Just like they fear mongered the public into bailing out the banks and businesses. And if they didn't they would have just manipulated the economy, and made people suffer into submission....

I think the people tried electing Rand Paul which wanted to audit the banks(at least he says). But he was silenced and his people were redirected away from the cause. None the wiser....

 

[wiseones2cents]

The way to take it down is to educate the American public, who will vote for legislators who will write it out of existence.

But the lies of the Elites drown out logic. Just like they fear mongered the public into bailing out the banks and businesses. And if they didn't they would have just manipulated the economy, and made people suffer into submission....

I think the people tried electing Ron Paul which wanted to audit the
Federal reserve and all that talk about an unconstitutional currency. But he was silenced and his people were redirected away from the cause. None the wiser....

 

[wiseones2cents]

Oops! why all the double posts?

 

[wiseones2cents]

Not wrong. You are just confused as to when I got out. The USSR collapsed after I got out of the military.

Yup! You are correct and the history books are all wrong! Thanks for straightening all of us out!(note sarcasm).LOL

You are again mistaken. Their tank crews had to carry their own rebreathers because the tanks so often failed during underwater crossings drowning their crews and leaving their tanks useless. If the engine shut off during crossing you had exactly 6 seconds to restart it before the engine started to drown and the cabin started to fill. While the tank was well enough built if you brought it out (one was underwater for 56 years and still started when they brought it up) there was no fix to bring those suckers back up. They solved this problem by using huge amounts of them and counted "acceptable losses".

What year was this? 1805?lol

Here's an interesting read. It starts with?

Planes, bombs, missiles, and other military hardware made the United States a superpower. But when it came to tanks, we were always one war behind—until recently.

http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/it/1995/3/1995_3_54.shtml

Let it be known that the b-52 bomber was also designed after a Russian plane.

This is total rubbish. Soviet technology was based on tube tech, while ours was solid state. This was because they feared EMP. It wasn't "leaked" technology from Toshiba, they sold them the mills that were able to grind quiet screws for their submarines. They had one that was ever a match to ours while I was in, the Akula (shark, directly translated).

More proof, less of your opinion. What is all this garbage about submarines?

Its clear it was leaked because every time Russia invented something. A short time later, America would make a similar invention, with some improvements, but always one step behind the Soviets. Until the soviets rolled out their latest technology.

It was due to the effects of the centralized economy. Again, when perestroika came they began to allow people who worked the farms to have a small portion that they could sell from, that tiny portion of the farms produced as much as the state run farms.

What are you talking about? Perestroika was a political movement that was part of the Soviet Union!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peristroika

That wasn't the problem. The problem was that the boss(oligarchs) of the company(Just picked up and left). there was never a problem with food before the collapse. If so? Show me your proof.

No, it wasn't. The reality is I was speaking to people who had lived there all their lives, all you have is your assertion that their centralized economy somehow ran efficiently, despite direct testimony. You are sitting and "wishing" rather than paying attention.

I've also spoke with people and read history books. Never heard of any homeless, naked or starving people in the USSR. It was after the oligarchs abandoned ship, was there any shortages of anything. Can you imagine your boss stopped paying you or telling you what you have to do next? You'd be in a state of confusion and there would be no production.

This is silly, the vast majority of the "poor" purchase directly without credit and still own two cars, have apartments with air conditioning, watch cable TV from every room of their house, and have enough food to have problems with obesity.

OH PLEASE!!!Your telling me everyone in America owns a car let alone two?? I've been to Detroit, I've been to Buffalo. Stop spreading lies!!!!

You think all Americans have air conditioning? How about heating? Is that why Hugo Chavez was offering cheap oil to heat people's homes in the USA?

When I go shopping, I see people buying less and less food. So I think you are living in some sort of parallel universe!LOL

No. It wasn't. It was all during the lives of those who taught us.

Show me that there was shortages of toilet paper before 1991!!!!

Because none of that matters to what I have stated. The planned economy was often inefficient, provided little incentive, and caused shortages for even the simplest items all throughout the history of the Soviet Union.

You think capitalism is efficient? When companies go bankrupt(AND THEY DO ALOT) they just add the loss to the deficit(or are bailed out) of which tax payers have to pay!

What? No comment on this?

Not really when you figure it was the capitalists that financed the USSR(Bolsheviks) in the first place. The federal reserves were behind the USSR. Create an enemy and then make trillions of building up arms between the two sides. Brilliant really.

 

[DamnYankee]

But the lies of the Elites drown out logic. Just like they fear mongered the public into bailing out the banks and businesses. And if they didn't they would have just manipulated the economy, and made people suffer into submission....

I think the people tried electing Rand Paul which wanted to audit the
Federal reserve and all that talk about an unconstitutional currency. But he was silenced and his people were redirected away from the cause. None the wiser....

The nature of "elites" is that they are an extreme minority. We have at least one very popular upstate news channel that isn't going to cow to the elites, and thousands of web sites. Use these to educate the public and drown out the elites.

Then throw the bums out.

 

[Canceled1]

The way to take it down is to educate the American public, who will vote for legislators who will write it out of existence.

Wiseonenocents is Canadian. End of story, morning glory

 

[wiseones2cents]

The nature of "elites" is that they are an extreme minority. We have at least one very popular upstate news channel that isn't going to cow to the elites, and thousands of web sites. Use these to educate the public and drown out the elites.

Then throw the bums out.

I'm trying also but it almost looks like a lost cause. People are too brainwashed and have been indoctrinated from birth to believe the lies.

The federal reserve also runs Canada.

 

[wiseones2cents]

The nature of "elites" is that they are an extreme minority. We have at least one very popular upstate news channel that isn't going to cow to the elites, and thousands of web sites. Use these to educate the public and drown out the elites.

Then throw the bums out.

I'm trying also but it almost looks like a lost cause. People are too brainwashed and have been indoctrinated from birth to believe the lies.

The federal reserve also runs Canada. Actually they say there is only 3 countries where the FR does not run it.

 

[DamnYankee]

I'm trying also but it almost looks like a lost cause. People are too brainwashed and have been indoctrinated from birth to believe the lies.

The federal reserve also runs Canada. Actually they say there is only 3 countries where the FR does not run it.

Fox News and the internet are making a dent in it. Now we just have to get rid of the teacher's unions, and stop buying LIAR textbooks written by Howard Zinn.

 

[Damocles]

Yup! You are correct and the history books are all wrong! Thanks for straightening all of us out!(note sarcasm).LOL

Or, I got out before December of 1991.

What year was this? 1805?lol

Here's an interesting read. It starts with?

Planes, bombs, missiles, and other military hardware made the United States a superpower. But when it came to tanks, we were always one war behind—until recently.

http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/it/1995/3/1995_3_54.shtml

I base it off of listening to them scramble after they sank. It was my job. Just like I listened to their VTOL aircraft falling in the ocean.

Let it be known that the b-52 bomber was also designed after a Russian plane.

If you are speaking of the Tu-95, that plane had its first flight about 4 years after the first flight of the B-52. You are backasswards as to who was copying whom. If the Soviet Union had the success you thought they'd still be here.

More proof, less of your opinion. What is all this garbage about submarines?

Its clear it was leaked because every time Russia invented something. A short time later, America would make a similar invention, with some improvements, but always one step behind the Soviets. Until the soviets rolled out their latest technology.

You have this backwards again, especially in regard to submarines. It is very real that all Soviet subs were noisy until near the time when I got out of the military, and that they still maintain the diesel subs, which consistently catch fire and kill crews and for the reason that I stated. Again, this was my job.

What are you talking about? Perestroika was a political movement that was part of the Soviet Union!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peristroika

It's what you posted about earlier, so I spoke to your post.

That wasn't the problem. The problem was that the boss(oligarchs) of the company(Just picked up and left). there was never a problem with food before the collapse. If so? Show me your proof.

Again, you are still wrong.

Even TIME speaks of the fact that the shortages they always had simply got worse during Mikhael Gorbachev's perestroika.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,956748,00.html

You clearly base your argument on the rewritten history constantly projected onto us by Franken.

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/shcortage.htm

I've also spoke with people and read history books. Never heard of any homeless, naked or starving people in the USSR. It was after the oligarchs abandoned ship, was there any shortages of anything. Can you imagine your boss stopped paying you or telling you what you have to do next? You'd be in a state of confusion and there would be no production.

True, you never heard it, but neither did they report it. It's like saying that nobody is in prison in China, because they say so. And that nobody gets shot for political reasons in China, because they say so.

OH PLEASE!!!Your telling me everyone in America owns a car let alone two?? I've been to Detroit, I've been to Buffalo. Stop spreading lies!!!!

I speak of the average "poor" family in the US.

You think all Americans have air conditioning? How about heating? Is that why Hugo Chavez was offering cheap oil to heat people's homes in the USA?

Again, you are simply pretending something that wasn't stated, it is an average of "poor" in the US of which I speak.

When I go shopping, I see people buying less and less food. So I think you are living in some sort of parallel universe!LOL

I think you are just stating nonsense. Obesity is one of the hugest health problems in the US, and it isn't because of shortage of food. Although the pre-perestroika stories in my previous link constantly speak of just such shortages in managed economies.

Show me that there was shortages of toilet paper before 1991!!!!

See the previous link.

You think capitalism is efficient? When companies go bankrupt(AND THEY DO ALOT) they just add the loss to the deficit(or are bailed out) of which tax payers have to pay!

I think it is far more efficient than Communism, for the reasons previously explained.

What? No comment on this?

Not really when you figure it was the capitalists that financed the USSR(Bolsheviks) in the first place. The federal reserves were behind the USSR. Create an enemy and then make trillions of building up arms between the two sides. Brilliant really.

I think this is silly conjecture.

 

[wiseones2cents]

Fox News and the internet are making a dent in it. Now we just have to get rid of the teacher's unions, and stop buying LIAR textbooks written by Howard Zinn.

Fox news???? FOX news is the worst of the worst when it comes to propoganda. I'd say the federal reserve way before the Teacher's union.

The fact that you were being charged interest just for making money tells me, that the deficit was unlawfully orchestrated. Yet the creditors are still racking in crazy amounts of money.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

I think it is far more efficient than Communism, for the reasons previously explained.



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Government really is not about efficiency.


This misbelief of yours is how you have come to be a heartless fascist.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Government really is not about efficiency.


This misbelief of yours is how you have come to be a heartless fascist.

i should be and can be....

without government you have anarchy.

 

[wiseones2cents]

Or, I got out before December of 1991.

Yet you stated the USSR fell before 1991.lol

I base it off of listening to them scramble after they sank. It was my job. Just like I listened to their VTOL aircraft falling in the ocean.

What sank? The tanks?

Again. Your right and the article and history are wrong again.WOW! (note sarcasm).lol Everyone knows that Russian and German tanks were far superior then American tanks in the world wars.

If you are speaking of the Tu-95, that plane had its first flight about 4 years after the first flight of the B-52. You are backasswards as to who was copying whom. If the Soviet Union had the success you thought they'd still be here.

I'm speaking of the Tupolev-4. It seems the b-17 was the first Bomber. But the Tupolev bombers were built to last.I've been reading on all the hype that was surrounding the two sides and how it was perfect to keep the arms race going, while the bombers, missile, arms, makers were making a killing. Brilliant....Or should I say Diabolical....

You have this backwards again, especially in regard to submarines. It is very real that all Soviet subs were noisy until near the time when I got out of the military, and that they still maintain the diesel subs, which consistently catch fire and kill crews and for the reason that I stated. Again, this was my job.

The only submarines I am familiar with are the uboats and trident.

Again, you are still wrong.

Even TIME speaks of the fact that the shortages they always had simply got worse during Mikhael Gorbachev's perestroika.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,956748,00.html

You clearly base your argument on the rewritten history constantly projected onto us by Franken.

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/shcortage.htm

You know what this sounds like to me? Sounds like the USSR couldn't pay their war debt(to the creditors which I believe were European). So the creditors decided to throw more money at the problem. Sort of like the Stimulus package the Americans are using today. They tried to privatize some property. It worked ok for awhile but then inflation kicked in. Again, Brilliant.

Here is what it states:

Perestroika refers to major changes initiated by Mikhail Gorbachev to the structure and function of both the political and economic control of the Soviet Union allowing more independent actions from the various ministries and eventually to the dismantling of the Soviet-era command economy and its replacement with a market economy. However, the process arguably exacerbated already existing social and economic tensions within the Soviet Union, and no doubt helped to further nationalism among the constituent republics, as well as social fragmentation.

True, you never heard it, but neither did they report it. It's like saying that nobody is in prison in China, because they say so. And that nobody gets shot for political reasons in China, because they say so.

Makes no sense. In Russia, all the homes were owned by the government. If they had more people, they would make more homes.

I speak of the average "poor" family in the US.

Define poor? Considering over 60% of Americans are living pay check to pay check and in debt?And now that people are losing their jobs due to outsourcing? The poor will increase.......The drug dealers and the hookers are the biggest contributors to the economy.Not only that but international drug dealers also launder billions of dollars in money through the USA.

Most people in America own things because they were bought on credit. What is happening now is that America's credit is running out and the creditors are looking for greener pastures. China and India.

Again, you are simply pretending something that wasn't stated, it is an average of "poor" in the US of which I speak.

In a socialist society? ALL would have A/C not the AVERAGE American. Not the average of poor. The poor are poor and very few if any can afford A/C.

They couldn't even afford windows(They were boarded up) Let alone A/C.

I think you are just stating nonsense. Obesity is one of the hugest health problems in the US, and it isn't because of shortage of food. Although the pre-perestroika stories in my previous link constantly speak of just such shortages in managed economies.

Its not how much they eat, its what they eat! Like McDonalds! That's why they are obese!

See the previous link.

To me? There is no logical reason why the Soviets would run out of anything, UNLESS, they were in debt or they were redirecting too many funds to support the military. Funny that with all the military they had, they didn't use it. They could have taken over all of the eastern Hemisphere and solved their economic woes. The threat of nuclear retaliation was off the table. The USSR had nukes too.

I think it is far more efficient than Communism, for the reasons previously explained.

I'm not a fan of Communism because the Oligarchs were more like Elitists and not socialists. But a socialist economy(at least in my sense of the word) is much more stable and more humane.

I think this is silly conjecture.

After studying the Elites, and seeing how they operate? It doesn't surprise me that the western Elites were behind the rise of the soviet union. Just like they are now behind the rise of China. Why are they allowing China to build up their military? Hmmmmmmmm? Give up? Fear.....

 

[DamnYankee]

[1]Fox news???? FOX news is the worst of the worst when it comes to propoganda. [2]I'd say the federal reserve way before the Teacher's union.

The fact that you were being charged interest just for making money tells me, that the deficit was unlawfully orchestrated. Yet the creditors are still racking in crazy amounts of money.

1. Proof?
2. If teacher's weren't inept the Fed wouldn't be an issue.

 

[Damocles]

Yet you stated the USSR fell before 1991.lol

Umm... No. I didn't. I said after. The coup didn't entirely remove the Communist Party until February, the Federalist government continued to use the tools that they had at hand.

What sank? The tanks?

And the planes.

Again. Your right and the article and history are wrong again.WOW! (note sarcasm).lol Everyone knows that Russian and German tanks were far superior then American tanks in the world wars.

I'm speaking of the Tupolev-4. It seems the b-17 was the first Bomber. But the Tupolev bombers were built to last.I've been reading on all the hype that was surrounding the two sides and how it was perfect to keep the arms race going, while the bombers, missile, arms, makers were making a killing. Brilliant....Or should I say Diabolical....

At least you can admit that you are wrong, now let's see if you can pretend that we still "copied" their tube technology into our solid-state aircraft, tanks, etc.

The only submarines I am familiar with are the uboats and trident.

That's a shame. They, along with our planes, are the best examples of superior technology.

You know what this sounds like to me? Sounds like the USSR couldn't pay their war debt(to the creditors which I believe were European). So the creditors decided to throw more money at the problem. Sort of like the Stimulus package the Americans are using today. They tried to privatize some property. It worked ok for awhile but then inflation kicked in. Again, Brilliant.

What was most problematic is they had no means and nobody to hand the manufacturing over to...

Here is what it states:

Perestroika refers to major changes initiated by Mikhail Gorbachev to the structure and function of both the political and economic control of the Soviet Union allowing more independent actions from the various ministries and eventually to the dismantling of the Soviet-era command economy and its replacement with a market economy. However, the process arguably exacerbated already existing social and economic tensions within the Soviet Union, and no doubt helped to further nationalism among the constituent republics, as well as social fragmentation.

Which changes nothing about what I have stated.

Makes no sense. In Russia, all the homes were owned by the government. If they had more people, they would make more homes.

Yet they continued to have shortages everywhere, it's silly to suggest that they report "full employment" and "no homeless" yet still had problems in every facet of the economy due to mismanagement and false reporting, but then in the next breath say, "But in this, they were perfect."

They weren't. Shoot in the height of it all, people would turn in their neighbors on false charges to get a few more square feet of apartment. Desperate people will fall into desperate tactics.

Define poor? Considering over 60% of Americans are living pay check to pay check and in debt?And now that people are losing their jobs due to outsourcing? The poor will increase.......The drug dealers and the hookers are the biggest contributors to the economy.Not only that but international drug dealers also launder billions of dollars in money through the USA.

None of this would change what I stated. I'd rather be "poor" and fat here than "rich" in the place that my teachers lived in.

Most people in America own things because they were bought on credit. What is happening now is that America's credit is running out and the creditors are looking for greener pastures. China and India.

Which doesn't change the fact that most people who are poor do not have the credit to buy "everything" on credit.

In a socialist society? ALL would have A/C not the AVERAGE American. Not the average of poor. The poor are poor and very few if any can afford A/C.

In a socialist society nobody had it, their crappy cars weren't even designed with windows that rolled down let alone air conditioning... In this society the average poor person owns two cars, both with A/C and the vast majority of homes have A/C.

They couldn't even afford windows(They were boarded up) Let alone A/C.

Yet, in the apartments where I grew up (extremely poor), every apartment has a/c. The poor live better here than the "rich" did in the Soviet Union.

Its not how much they eat, its what they eat! Like McDonalds! That's why they are obese!

Both are a problem.

To me? There is no logical reason why the Soviets would run out of anything, UNLESS, they were in debt or they were redirecting too many funds to support the military. Funny that with all the military they had, they didn't use it. They could have taken over all of the eastern Hemisphere and solved their economic woes. The threat of nuclear retaliation was off the table. The USSR had nukes too.

They ran out of it because they attempted to manage the economy. They made a guess as to what "quota" would be necessary, then the managers of the factories would lie as to how much they were able to make to show they had met "quotas", the product they put out sucked and the shortages were everywhere, as shown in the article I posted.

I'm not a fan of Communism because the Oligarchs were more like Elitists and not socialists. But a socialist economy(at least in my sense of the word) is much more stable and more humane.

Yet you seem to be defending it with your every ounce of being for what seems to be little gain. So far all it has shown is you knew little about soviet history.

After studying the Elites, and seeing how they operate? It doesn't surprise me that the western Elites were behind the rise of the soviet union. Just like they are now behind the rise of China. Why are they allowing China to build up their military? Hmmmmmmmm? Give up? Fear.....

"Doesn't surprise you"... Again, this is still silly conjecture. You want it to be true so you repeat it believing if you repeat it often enough people may begin to believe you.