A democrat cozies up to the wealthy and powerful corp = good

Maybe you should read the article, it would save you from putting your foot in your mouth.

Talking points is really one of the huge advantages conservatives have over liberals. Conservatives view words and phrases of language like territory in warfare: owned and controlled by one side or the other. One of the central goals of conservatism, as for example with Newt Gingrich's lists of words, is to take control of every word and phrase in the English language.

Try again...

I read the article and what I saw is a lot of drivel which is to expected from someone coming from UCLA. I didn't see anything about talking points.

Here's a progressive professor from Cal talking about conservatives use of language and he writes it in English.

(this article is 7 years old)


http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml
 
I read the article and what I saw is a lot of drivel which is to expected from someone coming from UCLA. I didn't see anything about talking points.

Here's a progressive professor from Cal talking about conservatives use of language and he writes it in English.

(this article is 7 years old)


http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml

I've read Lakoff's article. If you did too, then what I'm saying is not new. His article is excellent. But your attempt at using right wing talking points to dismiss liberals was totally predictable. The author of the article I posted would better be portrayed as a computer geek. He uses the nexus to make his case, and THAT is easy to verify. Pick any political topic and 'Google' it. I guarantee 99% of the time it will return page after page of right wing cites and it's 'echo chamber' You have to search through numerous pages just to find a liberal or progressive cite or article.

Philip E. Agre
Department of Information Studies
University of California, Los Angeles

His section titled 'The Destruction of Language' explains 'talking points' though the LITERAL words may not appear. I know that is often a road block for the monolith conservative mind.
 
I've read Lakoff's article. If you did too, then what I'm saying is not new. His article is excellent. But your attempt at using right wing talking points to dismiss liberals was totally predictable. The author of the article I posted would better be portrayed as a computer geek. He uses the nexus to make his case, and THAT is easy to verify. Pick any political topic and 'Google' it. I guarantee 99% of the time it will return page after page of right wing cites and it's 'echo chamber' You have to search through numerous pages just to find a liberal or progressive cite or article.

Philip E. Agre
Department of Information Studies
University of California, Los Angeles

His section titled 'The Destruction of Language' explains 'talking points' though the LITERAL words may not appear. I know that is often a road block for the monolith conservative mind.

What talking points did I use? I said both sides use them and that the guy from UCLA is an idiot. The latter comment is not arguable. That is a fact not a talking point. UCLA = Idiot.
 
Obviously you are one more ignorant twit with zero concept of how our government is designed to work. Since when are the courts supposed to allow themselves to be swayed by public opinion? Your suggestion of "legislating from the bench" is pure unadulterated hogwash. The 1st Amendment states unequivocally that the right to free speech cannot be abridged. Period. SCOTUS has simply upheld that basic right.

The problem with trying to place limitations on the political rights of corporations is not all corporate entities are business entities. There are significant numbers of corporations whose purpose for being is political. In trying to control business influence in politics through money, the laws invariably also control the right of speech for organizations which were formed for the specific purpose of giving greater voice to people via their right to assemble; also found in the 1st Amendment. As such, any fault with the current situation lies not with the SCOTUS decision that says the 1st Amendment trumps campaign finance reform, but with the laws which govern corporations and allow them to be treated as single entities under the law.

In the necessity to create the legal fiction of corporate personhood, we are faced with a number of problems, not the least of which is the idea that a legal fiction has the same rights as a human being. Other problems include the ability of corporate leadership to (knowingly) make shitty decisions and be completely shielded from any negative consequences of those decisions - but that is another topic. It is a sticky problem; but no more so, and probably less so than the problems which would arise if we did not have laws which allow us to treat a corporation as a single entity.

Bottom line: the SCOTUS decision, even though it includes a number of consequences that include an enhanced ability for big money interests to directly influence government, was the correct decision. What we need to do now is visit the laws which give personhood to corporations, and find a way to rewrite them so the essential concept of single identity is retained for legal purposes, but also place a solid - and constitutional, this time - wall between corporate entity rights, and the rights of PEOPLE, either individually or collectively.
Isn't it funny, but corporations were suppose to be just a temporary fix, and now look at how they have blossomed!

I agree with you that the laws are what need to be changed. I also agree that people have not been prosecuted for their crimes.

I still don't like the SCOTUS ruling.
 
What talking points did I use? I said both sides use them and that the guy from UCLA is an idiot. The latter comment is not arguable. That is a fact not a talking point. UCLA = Idiot.

LOL...I feel like Ivan Pavlov if one of his dogs could suddenly speak.

Please tell me how you came the conclusion UCLA = Idiot?
 
LOL...I feel like Ivan Pavlov if one of his dogs could suddenly speak.

Please tell me how you came the conclusion UCLA = Idiot?

A personal thing. USC is my alma mater. Ice Dancer posted a pro-conservative study last week from someone at UCLA and I had the exact same response. Living in SF and having lived in LA there is a constant battle (trash talking if you will) between Cal, Stanford, USC and UCLA alumnus.

A UCLA Bruin is one who suffers from a serious genetic defect and thus anything produced from that "university" shall be deemed unfit for public consumption!
 
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