We have pinhead liberals, even in Alabama!

[FUCK THE POLICE]

It failed to generate the revenue.

How do you know? Again, you're just saying a bunch of shit and not providing any evidence for it. I don't know that it didn't provide additional revenue and I don't know that it has suppressed growth. You have just said that. That's not evidence.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

alabama needs all the money it can get to educate you dumbasses. one of the most useless states in our nation.

 

[Bfgrn]

I don't even know who the mayor is, he isn't on the city council and didn't have a vote in this, so what difference does that make?

The City of Gardendale operates under a Mayor-Council form of government. This form of government most closely resembles the private sector with the Mayor serving as the Chief Executive Officer and the Council as the Board of Directors.

The people of Gardendale elected a Mayor who is the former Pastor of Haig Baptist Church. That gives me some idea of the ideological profile of the voters. The same people that elected the Mayor elected the City Council.

Here's your City Council...http://www.cityofgardendale.com/citycouncil.php

They don't list party affiliation in the member's bios, but none of them would be mistaken for Bernie Sanders or Barney Frank...

Hey, I know Dix...I bet that bunch of northern liberal yankees that came down to piss on the Bull Connor statute had ACORN fix the elections.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

The City of Gardendale operates under a Mayor-Council form of government. This form of government most closely resembles the private sector with the Mayor serving as the Chief Executive Officer and the Council as the Board of Directors.

The people of Gardendale elected a Mayor who is the former Pastor of Haig Baptist Church. That gives me some idea of the ideological profile of the voters. The same people that elected the Mayor elected the City Council.

Here's your City Council...http://www.cityofgardendale.com/citycouncil.php

They don't list party affiliation in the member's bios, but none of them would be mistaken for Bernie Sanders or Barney Frank...

Hey, I know Dix...I bet that bunch of northern liberal yankees that came down to piss on the Bull Connor statute had ACORN fix the elections.

You're a little SLOW, aren't you? Did you miss the post I made almost immediately after that, where I corrected my comment? The Mayor of Gardendale voted AGAINST the tax increase.... did you have some sort of POINT, or not?

 

[cancel2 2022]

One of my favorite Emmylou Harris songs!

Talking about Emmylou Harris reminds me of the tragic tale of Gram Parsons, one of the true unsung heroes who has influenced so many down the years.

http://www.emmylou.net/gram.html

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY1m5g4eHVk"]YouTube - Gram Parsons - She[/ame]

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Love some Gram Parsons.. Him and Townes Vand Zant... two of the most under-appreciated artists of our times. If you ever get a chance to catch Grand Theft Parsons it's a fantastic movie of his life story and tragic death, starring Johnny Knoxville and Christina Applegate, never was anything more than a "B" film, but really worth a look for a Parsons fan.

 

[Bfgrn]

You're a little SLOW, aren't you? Did you miss the post I made almost immediately after that, where I corrected my comment? The Mayor of Gardendale voted AGAINST the tax increase.... did you have some sort of POINT, or not?

Yea, my POINT is you are blaming 'liberals' for what Bible belt conservatives legislate.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Love some Gram Parsons.. Him and Townes Vand Zant... two of the most under-appreciated artists of our times. If you ever get a chance to catch Grand Theft Parsons it's a fantastic movie of his life story and tragic death, starring Johnny Knoxville and Christina Applegate, never was anything more than a "B" film, but really worth a look for a Parsons fan.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leKYAx_HS0U"]YouTube - grand theft parsons part 1[/ame]

Just to get you hooked!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Yea, my POINT is you are blaming 'liberals' for what Bible belt conservatives legislate.

Well all you showed was the mayor used to be a preacher, and he voted AGAINST the new tax, not FOR it... so when are you going to show this was done by bible belt conservatives and not liberal pinheads?

 

[Bfgrn]

Well all you showed was the mayor used to be a preacher, and he voted AGAINST the new tax, not FOR it... so when are you going to show this was done by bible belt conservatives and not liberal pinheads?

Hello, is there anyone home? The voters, you know that We, the People stuff; who voted for the council are the SAME people that voted for the Mayor, a former preacher and graduate of Jerry Falwell's school of red neck bigotry. It seems reasonable to assume the voters tend to support conservative candidates.

I gave you a link to the council. There are bios on each councilman/woman. But it doesn't list their party affiliation. But when you read their bios, they would best fit conservatives and Republicans, NOT liberals.

The pinhead is YOU...

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Hello, is there anyone home? The voters, you know that We, the People stuff; who voted for the council are the SAME people that voted for the Mayor, a former preacher and graduate of Jerry Falwell's school of red neck bigotry. It seems reasonable to assume the voters tend to support conservative candidates.

I gave you a link to the council. There are bios on each councilman/woman. But it doesn't list their party affiliation. But when you read their bios, they would best fit conservatives and Republicans, NOT liberals.

The pinhead is YOU...

So, in other words, you don't really have anything to support your accusation, except your opinion? That's what I figured. It might be a real shock to you, but Republicans can also be pinhead liberals. We don't know these councilmen/women are Republican, but we certainly know they aren't conservatives. Voting to increase the tax rate to pay for shortfalls not realized from the last tax increase, is a typically PINHEAD LIBERAL thing to do. Continuing to increase your tax rate and watch all the business move to the city next door, and your tax revenues continue to decline, is a typical PINHEAD LIBERAL thing to do. You're right, we don't know what party affiliation they are, but their actions are purely PINHEAD LIBERAL!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

They don't list party affiliation in the member's bios, but none of them would be mistaken for Bernie Sanders or Barney Frank...

Why is that, asswipe? Because they are all members of a church somewhere? They believe in that God thingy? IS THAT why you don't think they are Liberal PINHEADS? ...You might have a point, but down here in the South, even the pinhead liberals go to church! ...It's true, believe it or not!!!

 

[Mott the Hoople]

http://www.njeffersonnews.com/local/x1305238515/Sales-tax-passes

GARDENDALE — Starting in January, sales tax in Gardendale will be 10 cents on the dollar.

On Monday, the Gardendale City Council approved a controversial ordinance that will hike sales tax in the city from 9 percent.

The council passed the tax in a 4-2 vote before a packed council chambers that mostly opposed the tax increase.....

....Currington said the tax is expected to generate $9.5 million in four years and is earmarked for specific projects:

• $1 million to expand the Gardendale-Martha Moore Public Library

• almost $4 million to pay off the city’s long-term debt caused by three major projects: The Gardendale Post Office, Gardendale Civic Center and the Odum Road expansion project

• the remainder, $4.6 million (if the $9.5 million prediction is correct) for economic development, including but not limited to, “recruitment of new and expanding business, the construction of municipal infrastructure in support of trade, the granting of incentives as allowed by law, the acquisition of property, and such related uses as may be approved by the City Council from time to time,” the ordinances states.

None of the proceeds of the tax will be used in the city’s operating budget.

The financial committee’s argument for needing the tax is that the city’s reserve fund is shrinking. Currington said there is $6 million in the fund, $1.5 million of which is earmarked for certain projects like road construction and police and court expenses.

He said the remaining $4.5 million would decrease to about $1 million by 2014 because the city spends more than it brings in.
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What is really truly amazing is, a few years back, they raised sales tax from 7% to 9%, projecting all this new windfall which has not happened. Mainly because of a considerably smaller rival town about 3 miles to the south, Fultondale. Growing up in the area, I had friends who lived in Fultondale, and they used to tell the joke; What's the difference between Gardendale and Fultondale? ....The moon is just a little bigger in Gardendale!

Now, since Gardendale raised it's sales tax from 7 to 9 percent, Fultondale has attracted a multitude of new businesses. There are now shopping centers lining the road from the interstate into town, full of 'top-drawer' retailers... Home Depot.. Books-A-Million... Starbucks... Costco... Target... Outback Steak House...a movie theater and bowling alley... you get the picture. It has become quite the booming metropolis in the last few years, while Gardendale continues to lose retailers. "Building For Lease" signs dot the same length of road from the interstate. Oh by the way, Fultondale chose to LOWER it's sales tax from 7% to 6% when Gardendale voted to raise theirs.

Hey Dixie. Why don't you tell us all about that high priced multi-billion dollar sewage system those conservative politicians financed down there in Birmingham? Ya know, the one that's tripled water bills and won't be paid off for over 50 years and dropped their bond rating to junk bond status. What about them Dixie? LOL

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Hey Dixie. Why don't you tell us all about that high priced multi-billion dollar sewage system those conservative politicians financed down there in Birmingham? Ya know, the one that's tripled water bills and won't be paid off for over 50 years and dropped their bond rating to junk bond status. What about them Dixie? LOL

Birmingham's city council is all black, all democrat, and all liberal. The former mayor, Larry Langford, is currently serving a 15-year prison sentence. He was instrumental in the deal you mention, as well as some other less-scrupulous deals.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Birmingham's city council is all black, all democrat, and all liberal. The former mayor, Larry Langford, is currently serving a 15-year prison sentence. He was instrumental in the deal you mention, as well as some other less-scrupulous deals.

Who you trying to Kid Dixie. All the movers and shakers in that fiasco were corrupt at hell Republican good ole boys.

 

[Bfgrn]

So, in other words, you don't really have anything to support your accusation, except your opinion? That's what I figured. It might be a real shock to you, but Republicans can also be pinhead liberals. We don't know these councilmen/women are Republican, but we certainly know they aren't conservatives. Voting to increase the tax rate to pay for shortfalls not realized from the last tax increase, is a typically PINHEAD LIBERAL thing to do. Continuing to increase your tax rate and watch all the business move to the city next door, and your tax revenues continue to decline, is a typical PINHEAD LIBERAL thing to do. You're right, we don't know what party affiliation they are, but their actions are purely PINHEAD LIBERAL!

Hey Dixie...a pinhead is someone that wants something for nothing. Gardendale is one of only 11 Alabama cities that does not charge a property tax. They pay for all services off of sales tax.

Gardendale, with an estimated population of 13,700 people, is the only Jefferson County city on the list that has a budget exceeding $10 million and full-service fire and police departments. Center Point, Clay and Pinson are newer, incorporated after 2000, and contract deputies through the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office for police protection. Residents pay fees directly to a fire district for fire protection.

Residents in Gardendale have police, firefighters, parks, a library, a civic center, a tennis complex and even a popular splash pad for children -- all without property taxes. Their unincorporated neighbors to the north in Mount Olive pay a 10-mill fire district tax just for fire protection, former Gardendale Mayor Kenny Clemons said.

Gardendale residents have no idea how different and lucky they are in Alabama to have those type of services without a property tax, said Clemons, who now serves as executive director of the Jefferson County Mayors Association.

'Spoiled'

"The people are all spoiled, and I don't say that facetiously," Clemons said. "The city government has been able to provide most of the services that people want, full-time fire department, police and trash pickup, within the budget they have. The people want that to continue, good times and bad. That's not possible. If something were to happen to Walmart, it would be a severe blow to the city. That is no way to do a budget."

Clemons unsuccessfully attempted to establish a property tax while in office. Residents voted down a 10-mill property tax in 2002, and City Council members voted against a 5-mill property tax in 2007.

The 10-mill rate was projected to bring $1.4 million to the city each year and was tied to establishing a full-time fire department. The city got the fire department anyway, although property tax supporters said a property tax would allow for more firefighters, fire stations and police officers in a growing city, and help provide financial stability.

The current city administration has no plans to establish a property tax, but the City Council is scheduled to consider raising the city sales tax from 3 to 4 percent on Monday. It would raise the overall sales tax in Gardendale to 10 cents on the dollar and match nearby Fultondale and Birmingham.

Gardendale has been tapping into its reserves to make loan payments during the rough economy, and Mayor Othell Phillips said about $900,000 has been cut from the budget. He said he is against any new taxes, property or sales.

Councilman Alvin Currington, Gardendale's finance committee chairman, said a slight sales tax increase would bring in more money than a property tax. And every person who shops in Gardendale will share the burden, not just city property owners.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/10/gardendale_among_few_alabama_c.html

Also Dixie you lied.

The unemployment rate in Fultondale is 10.30 percent(U.S. avg. is 10.20%). Recent job growth is Negative. Fultondale jobs have Decreased by 8.72 percent.

 

[cawacko]

Hey Dixie...a pinhead is someone that wants something for nothing. Gardendale is one of only 11 Alabama cities that does not charge a property tax. They pay for all services off of sales tax.

Gardendale, with an estimated population of 13,700 people, is the only Jefferson County city on the list that has a budget exceeding $10 million and full-service fire and police departments. Center Point, Clay and Pinson are newer, incorporated after 2000, and contract deputies through the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office for police protection. Residents pay fees directly to a fire district for fire protection.
Residents in Gardendale have police, firefighters, parks, a library, a civic center, a tennis complex and even a popular splash pad for children -- all without property taxes. Their unincorporated neighbors to the north in Mount Olive pay a 10-mill fire district tax just for fire protection, former Gardendale Mayor Kenny Clemons said.

Gardendale residents have no idea how different and lucky they are in Alabama to have those type of services without a property tax, said Clemons, who now serves as executive director of the Jefferson County Mayors Association.

'Spoiled'

"The people are all spoiled, and I don't say that facetiously," Clemons said. "The city government has been able to provide most of the services that people want, full-time fire department, police and trash pickup, within the budget they have. The people want that to continue, good times and bad. That's not possible. If something were to happen to Walmart, it would be a severe blow to the city. That is no way to do a budget."

Clemons unsuccessfully attempted to establish a property tax while in office. Residents voted down a 10-mill property tax in 2002, and City Council members voted against a 5-mill property tax in 2007.

The 10-mill rate was projected to bring $1.4 million to the city each year and was tied to establishing a full-time fire department. The city got the fire department anyway, although property tax supporters said a property tax would allow for more firefighters, fire stations and police officers in a growing city, and help provide financial stability.

The current city administration has no plans to establish a property tax, but the City Council is scheduled to consider raising the city sales tax from 3 to 4 percent on Monday. It would raise the overall sales tax in Gardendale to 10 cents on the dollar and match nearby Fultondale and Birmingham.

Gardendale has been tapping into its reserves to make loan payments during the rough economy, and Mayor Othell Phillips said about $900,000 has been cut from the budget. He said he is against any new taxes, property or sales.

Councilman Alvin Currington, Gardendale's finance committee chairman, said a slight sales tax increase would bring in more money than a property tax. And every person who shops in Gardendale will share the burden, not just city property owners.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/10/gardendale_among_few_alabama_c.html

Also Dixie you lied.

The unemployment rate in Fultondale is 10.30 percent(U.S. avg. is 10.20%). Recent job growth is Negative. Fultondale jobs have Decreased by 8.72 percent.

Reading that reminded me of the ongoing firefighting debate thread from Tenneessee. So the residents pay a fee but should the firefighters save their homes if they don't pay the fee?

 

[Bfgrn]

Reading that reminded me of the ongoing firefighting debate thread from Tenneessee. So the residents pay a fee but should the firefighters save their homes if they don't pay the fee?

Yea, it's called right wing à la carte.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Also Dixie you lied.

The unemployment rate in Fultondale is 10.30 percent(U.S. avg. is 10.20%). Recent job growth is Negative. Fultondale jobs have Decreased by 8.72 percent.

Wow, I am impressed you spent most of your day researching the City of Fultondale in order to 'refute' my postings... that's pretty amazing that you are so enamored with me personally, that you would go to that much trouble.

I never said a thing about "unemployment rates" in Fultondale. In case you aren't aware, Fultondale and Gardendale are both "bedroom communities" of Birmingham. About 90% of the residents in Fultondale, commute to Birmingham to work, so the high unemployment rate is most likely due to Birmingham's economic problems, and not Fultondale.

I don't know where your "blog" is getting their information, but the sales tax rate is not the same in Fultondale as Gardendale, unless they recently raised it. I know for a fact, the sales tax rates were a major reason developers chose Fultondale for the prosperous Colonial Promenade project about a decade ago. I know this from personal experience, because my parents owned property in Gardendale, where they were considering building it. They chose Fultondale instead, because of the sales tax rates.

Again, the current tax increase was said to be needed to pay for several projects, which are all projects which were supposed to be funded by the last tax increase. That increase simply didn't produce the revenues expected, so now they are raising the sales tax again, to hopefully generate revenue to pay for what the last increase failed to. What they will end up doing is repeating the same stupidity... driving business AWAY from Gardendale, to Fultondale or elsewhere. It's typical mindless stupidity from liberal pinheads!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Who you trying to Kid Dixie. All the movers and shakers in that fiasco were corrupt at hell Republican good ole boys.

I'm not trying to kid anyone, Motthead... I know you are just trying to yank my chain, so I will ignore you on this from here on out... you obviously don't have a freaking clue. Birmingham is like 74% black, and the entire city council is black. All of them are Democrats, and all are Liberals. It's been this way for about the past 35-40 years, and most everyone from Alabama knows this.

When I lived in Birmingham, my water/sewer bill was over $60 a month. The actual water usage was something like $12, the rest was fees, taxes and sewer. The Birmingham Water Board requested $5 million to have installed at the downtown office, an electronic palm scanner, for employees entering the building. You know, something like you'd expect the CIA or FBI to have?