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After blast, DOT seeks tougher pipeline oversight
9/15/2010 7:02:00 PM

Associated Press/AP Online

do you live near or over a pipeline? do you trust pipeline operators to checkup on their pipelines?



WASHINGTON - The Obama administration called for tighter federal oversight of oil and gas pipelines Wednesday in the wake of a deadly California gas explosion that raised alarms about the safety of the nation's aging infrastructure.
In the meantime, the head of the National Transportation Safety Board said the federal agency responsible for the regulation is too accepting of assurances from industry that its equipment and practices are safe.
Deborah Hersman's comments echoed what safety advocates have long called for - a pipeline agency that needs to be less cozy with industry and staffed with more inspectors to enforce stricter regulations.
They welcomed the Obama plan, but said it fell far short of addressing the problems facing the nation's millions of miles of pipeline.
"It's the low-hanging fruit," said Rick Kessler with The Pipeline Safety Trust, a Bellingham, Wash., advocacy group. "There's no increase in mileage of pipelines that must be inspected, there's no standards for technology for inspections or repairing pipelines."
"If this is a starting point, fine. If this is all the administration has to say, it is wholly inadequate," he said.
The U.S. Pipeline and Hazardous Material Safety Administration is directly responsible for inspecting interstate pipelines, and has only 100 inspectors to do it. Oversight of intrastate lines is left to local regulators, who have in most cases left the inspections to utilities.
Hersman said the NTSB, which is investigating the California blast and two other pipeline accidents, is concerned that PHMSA relies too heavily on documents submitted by the companies it regulates, rather than its own on site verification of practices and procedures.
"We want PHMSA to be on the ground doing the inspections," Hersman said. "We think it's PHMSA's responsibility to trust but verify."
Federal investigators said they were examining whether Pacific Gas & Electric workers followed proper emergency procedures after a gas transmission line exploded into an inferno that killed at least four people and destroyed nearly 40 homes in a San Francisco suburb.
PG&E has said the pipeline, built in 1956, had to be shut down manually because it was not equipped with automatic shut-off valves.
The pipeline administration is the latest agency that lawmakers and safety advocates say have become so close to an industry it regulates that it has lost sight of the safety mission.
Two years ago, Congress held extensive hearings on reports by Federal Aviation Administration whistleblowers who said inspectors were allowing airlines to fly passengers on planes without complying with safety directives.
Two scathing federal inspector general reports on the Minerals Management Service highlighted drug use and sex among drilling agency employees and industry executives during the George W. Bush administration. It also said drilling regulators had accepted gifts and trips from oil and gas companies and negotiated to go work for the industry while overseeing it.
The Obama administration plan sent to Congress would increase from $1 million to $2.5 million the maximum fine for the most serious violations involving deaths, injuries or major environmental harm related to oil and gas pipelines.
It also would pay for an additional 40 inspectors and safety regulators over the next four years.
Yet progress toward tough new laws is unlikely any time soon with Congress in election-year gridlock. Some earlier proposals to improve pipeline safety have languished on Capitol Hill over concerns by energy companies.
The White House proposal follows several accidents, including an oil spill from a pipeline owned by a Canadian company near Marshall, Mich., that sent an estimated 820,000 to 1 million gallons spewing into the Kalamazoo River in late July. Another spill from a pipeline by the same company, Enbridge Inc., was reported within the last week in suburban Chicago.
Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the DOT "needs stronger authority to ensure the continued safety and reliability of our nation's pipeline network."
PHMSA, which regulates the transportation of hazardous materials, falls under LaHood's responsibility as part of the Transportation Department.
PHMSA employees told lawmakers last year that during the Bush administration the agency was effectively run by a handful of lobbyists.
"When the (Obama) administration took office, PHMSA was a disaster of its own - it's been that way for some time," said Rep. James Oberstar, D-Minn., chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, which held a hearing Wednesday on the Michigan oil spill.
Congress is expected to recess for midterm elections within the next three weeks, making it unlikely a bill could be enacted within the next two months. Oberstar said he wants the proposal at least approved by the pipeline subcommittee by then.
"I do think there is urgency," Oberstar said.
Deputy Transportation Secretary John Porcari told the committee he would have liked more time to craft the legislative proposal but wanted to get something to lawmakers as soon as possible.
The department's proposal would eliminate exemptions from safety regulations for pipelines that gather hazardous liquids upstream of transmission pipelines, DOT said.
It also would authorize PHMSA to collect additional data on pipelines, including information on previously unregulated lines, the department said. And it would provide for improved coordination with states and other agencies on inspector training and oversight of pipeline construction and expansion projects involving both gas and hazardous liquids pipelines.
There is no cost estimate yet for the proposals, Transportation Department spokesman Bill Mosely said.
Pipeline safety experts characterized the administration's proposal as a step in the right direction - but maybe not enough.
"It's good to give them an extra club if they use it," said pipeline engineer Richard Kuprewicz, whose company, Accufacts Inc., offers pipeline safety consultations to communities.
"They may issue a half-million dollar fine, but there's an appeal process and in the end it can be a real small number," he said.
The department is also crafting new regulations to enhance pipeline safety, including requiring emergency flow restricting devices on some pipelines and changing the distance between valves, Porcari said. The regulations would be separate from the legislative proposal.
The department is also considering extending "high consequence area" designations to additional stretches of pipeline, Porcari told the committee. Regulations put in place after several gas pipeline accidents a decade ago require oil and gas companies to inspect the integrity of pipelines in densely populated areas. Those inspections, which are conducted by the companies themselves, began in 2002 and are supposed to be completed by 2012.
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Associated Press writers Matthew Brown in Billings, Mont., and Matthew Daly in Washington contributed to this report.
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"The pipeline administration is the latest agency that lawmakers and safety advocates say have become so close to an industry it regulates that it has lost sight of the safety mission.
Two years ago, Congress held extensive hearings on reports by Federal Aviation Administration whistleblowers who said inspectors were allowing airlines to fly passengers on planes without complying with safety directives.
Two scathing federal inspector general reports on the Minerals Management Service highlighted drug use and sex among drilling agency employees and industry executives during the George W. Bush administration. It also said drilling regulators had accepted gifts and trips from oil and gas companies and negotiated to go work for the industry while overseeing it. "

Unregulated capitalism at its best. Thanks Reagan/BushI/Clinton/BushII.

But hey! we have wars to fight and oil interests to protect. We can't afford to put money into this country, hire regulators that aren't corrupt, educate our children or care for the old and sick.

Bottom line... don't smoke around gas lines. If you live close to an aging pipeline you might start thinking about moving.
 
You pussy. If you think the government can run things better the the private sector then look at the VA, social security, AMTRAK and the fucking post office.
 
If we'd fund the VA the way it should be funded there would be no problems. Healthcare for profit is immoral.
Ever hear of someone who's entitled to ss that didn't get their check?
Don't know about Amtrak, and I'm not going to do your research again.
I get my mail everyday.

Profitizing everything is not the answer. Besides we just had a bailout to save ourselves from your beloved ideology.
 
Nice response: The VA just needs more money. Doctors should work for free. I didn't know you could ride on a train. FedEx, UPS who? You stupid pussy; its impossible to be a real man and liberal.
 
You pussy. If you think the government can run things better the the private sector then look at the VA, social security, AMTRAK and the fucking post office.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa021899

According to this study by the New England Journal of Medicine, the VA hospital system provides better healthcare than most pay-for-services hospitals. If you think VA hospitals are substandard you are using old information instead of up-to-date facts.

And the "fucking post office", as you call it, manages to move 660 million pieces of mail at ridiculously cheap prices. You can send something from your house outside Eastpodunk NC, and in a few days it will be delivered to someone's house in Big Fart Montana, and it will cost you less than a buck. For a few dollars they will insure it and give you proof it was delivered. And that is to everywhere in the US. Their overnight packages are just as reliable as FedEx and cost a lot less. Find another example for your bullshit.
 
Oh boy .. Im not going to question the usefulness of the Post Office or the VA Hospitals. However, what is with this obsession with having the Goverment run everything? You do realize that this is fascism in its truest form?

As far as our failing Insfratucture .. totally agree that it is failing. However...Id like to point to the bridges, water treatment plants, power grid and roads and highways... along with Schools. Had the Inept One at 1600 PennAv ear marked 75% of that 800 bil stimulus grant, instead of just 20%..that he gave to his followers in Congress .... we might have seen some improvement in these area's.
 
Nice response: The VA just needs more money. Doctors should work for free. I didn't know you could ride on a train. FedEx, UPS who? You stupid pussy; its impossible to be a real man and liberal.

Really? George McGovern was a much-decorated bomber pilot (he and his crew were featured in the late historian, Stephen F. Ambrose's book, The Wild Blue). Joe Kennedy, Jr,. was a fighter pilot who lost his life in WW II. JFK was a PT boat skipper. Jimmy Carter was a Naval Academy graduate, and served aboard ship. John Kerry was awarded bronze and silver stars for valor.

So much for the "liberal pussies." Now let's look at the "real men" pf the right. Ronnie Reagan never left Hollywood in WW II, and once referred to military uniforms as "costumes." Yeah, that's a real man. The Shrub went AWOL from the Texas ANG, after jumping to the head of the line over 350+ other applicants, despite receiving the lowest score one can on the pre-flight aptitude test and still be allowed to fly. "Dick" Cheney had more draft deferments (5) than Bill Clinton (1) did, because he had "other priorities" but at least Clinton was on record as opposing the war. Cheney was a big supporter of the war, except when it came to actually fighting in it, which makes him a hypocrite and a "Chickenhawk" like his boss, and speaking of Chickenhawks, Dan Quayle's dad bought him into the Indiana National Guard, despite Dan's support for the war. A little history note for the righties: when Bush and Quayle got into their respective National Guard units, ALL National guard units were either full or oversubscribed, as were the reserves, and neither were accepting any new recruits, but the two rich boys got in when nobody else could. Yeah, those Republicans are real men, all of them.

Give me a fucking break.
 
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Oh boy .. Im not going to question the usefulness of the Post Office or the VA Hospitals. However, what is with this obsession with having the Goverment run everything? You do realize that this is fascism in its truest form?

As far as our failing Insfratucture .. totally agree that it is failing. However...Id like to point to the bridges, water treatment plants, power grid and roads and highways... along with Schools. Had the Inept One at 1600 PennAv ear marked 75% of that 800 bil stimulus grant, instead of just 20%..that he gave to his followers in Congress .... we might have seen some improvement in these area's.

I don't want the gov't to run everything. But when the response to pipeline inspectors being bribed is "look at the VA and the fucking post office" there is obviously a problem.

No, we don't need the gov't to run everything. But we also ought to know that big corporations will take shortcuts when they can, and that can be very dangerous to our citizens in the case of pipelines and the oil business. A look at the BP fiasco will show this to be true.

I am not expecting the gov't to do everything for me. But I do expect them to have inspectors that actually work for us and not the pipeline people.
 
Oh boy .. Im not going to question the usefulness of the Post Office or the VA Hospitals. However, what is with this obsession with having the Goverment run everything? You do realize that this is fascism in its truest form?

As far as our failing Insfratucture .. totally agree that it is failing. However...Id like to point to the bridges, water treatment plants, power grid and roads and highways... along with Schools. Had the Inept One at 1600 PennAv ear marked 75% of that 800 bil stimulus grant, instead of just 20%..that he gave to his followers in Congress .... we might have seen some improvement in these area's.

Kinda odd to claim on one hand that the obsession with the gov't running things is bad, and then on the other blame the gov't for not providing enough funding for infrastructure.
 
Oh boy .. Im not going to question the usefulness of the Post Office or the VA Hospitals. However, what is with this obsession with having the Goverment run everything? You do realize that this is fascism in its truest form?

As far as our failing Insfratucture .. totally agree that it is failing. However...Id like to point to the bridges, water treatment plants, power grid and roads and highways... along with Schools. Had the Inept One at 1600 PennAv ear marked 75% of that 800 bil stimulus grant, instead of just 20%..that he gave to his followers in Congress .... we might have seen some improvement in these area's.

Actually, fascism in its truest form is rule by a corporate oligarchy through an oppressive, autocratic government.
 
Really? George McGovern was a much-decorated bomber pilot (he and his crew were featured in the late historian, Stephen F. Ambrose's book, The Wild Blue). Joe Kennedy, Jr,. was a fighter pilot who lost his life in WW II. JFK was a PT boat skipper. Jimmy Carter was a Naval Academy graduate, and served aboard ship. John Kerry was awarded bronze and silver stars for valor.

So much for the "liberal pussies." Now let's look at the "real men" pf the right. Ronnie Reagan never left Hollywood in WW II, and once referred to military uniforms as "costumes." Yeah, that's a real man. The Shrub went AWOL from the Texas ANG, after jumping to the head of the line over 350+ other applicants, despite receiving the lowest score one can on the pre-flight aptitude test and still be allowed to fly. "Dick" Cheney had more draft deferments (5) than Bill Clinton (1) did, because he had "other priorities" but at least Clinton was on record as opposing the war. Cheney was a big supporter of the war, except when it came to actually fighting in it, which makes him a hypocrite and a "Chickenhawk" like his boss, and speaking of Chickenhawks, Dan Quayle's dad bought him into the Indiana National Guard, despite Dan's support for the war. A little history note for the righties: when Bush and Quayle got into their respective National Guard units, ALL National guard units were either full or oversubscribed, as were the reserves, and neither were accepting any new recruits, but the two rich boys got in when nobody else could. Yeah, those Republicans are real men, all of them.

Give me a fucking break.

You have to understand the source's defintion of "real man" does not include service to the country or serving in the military. It has more to do with getting laid a lot (but no blowjobs), claiming to be tough (online at least), and resorting to insults instead of actual discourse on an issue.
 
Kinda odd to claim on one hand that the obsession with the gov't running things is bad, and then on the other blame the gov't for not providing enough funding for infrastructure.

It all goes to the legitimate powers of government as envisioned by the men who founded it, and regulation of business is one of the most basic precepts in their vision of a just republic. Following is my favorite Jefferson quote, tying together the just powers of government and the necessity of the wall of separation between church and state. Let me lay it on you: "The error seems not sufficiently eradicated that the operations of the mind as well as the acts of the body are subject to the coercion of the laws. But our rulers can have authority over such natural rights only as we have submitted to them. The rights of conscience we never submitted, we could not submit. We are answerable for them to our God. The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XVII, 1782. ME 2:221 [Italics mine]
 
Kinda odd to claim on one hand that the obsession with the gov't running things is bad, and then on the other blame the gov't for not providing enough funding for infrastructure.

Not really, I do understand the Govts role in infrastructure, and its importance in maintaining our Nations Security... the point Im trying to make is with some people's obsession in thinking how superior Govt is at providing services.

I would assume if the Govt did renew the bridges, power grids and Water Plants ... they would outsource the contruction to Private Industry? Had this been done properly with the Stimulus ...we may have seen a trickle down effect in putting many more people back to work. Construction; Manufacturing of goods and services, supplies and raw materielas needed for such projects.
 
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Not really, I do understand the Govts role in infrastructure, and its importance in maintaining our Nations Security... the point Im trying to make is with some people's obsession in thinking how superior Govt is at providing services.

I would assume if the Govt did renew the bridges, power grids and Water Plants ... they would outsource the contruction to Private Industry? Had this been done properly with the Stimulus ...we may have seen a trickle down effect in putting many more people back to work. Construction; Manufacturing of goods and services, supplies and raw materielas needed for such projects.

We agree on this. But isn't inspecting pipelines (which have a profound effect on the citizens) also be a part of the gov't's job?

Do you think private industry should be allowed to watch itself in areas like the pipeline infrastructure?
 
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