George Michael gets sent to prison

hotdog said:
Maybe this will teach him not use drugs. He was lucky that no one got hurt.
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He has been in several incidents before the latest and has been let off with a slap on the wrist. Mostly he would go out late at
night cruising for gay sex, he needn't worry now as he will be surrounded by rent boys and rough trade!!
 
Damocles said:
Yeah, because clearly making them illegal stopped it all.
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You know Damo, it isn't a matter of stopping "it all." We can't do that and I freely admit it. But compare the number if impaired driving wrecks (use all illegal drugs) to the number of alcohol related accidents. One is legal and the others aren't. It isn't even close. That's my biggest reason for continuing prohibition.

One can also compare the number households adversely affected by any illegal drug and alcoholism. While the illegal drugs draws the greatest attention, alcoholism still outranks it.

The only distinguishing factor....one is legal and others aren't.

My fear is that if we legalize everything ... or even some things, these incidents will increase. I know this flies against those for total freedom but I maintain that some things must be done in the name of public safety.

I also realize that I am in the minority on this board on this issue but no matter. I am in the minority on a lot of things.

One more thing....you forgot your [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] on your post for those who have a problem detecting such. ;)
 
leaningright said:
You know Damo, it isn't a matter of stopping "it all." We can't do that and I freely admit it. But compare the number if impaired driving wrecks (use all illegal drugs) to the number of alcohol related accidents. One is legal and the others aren't. It isn't even close. That's my biggest reason for continuing prohibition.

One can also compare the number households adversely affected by any illegal drug and alcoholism. While the illegal drugs draws the greatest attention, alcoholism still outranks it.

The only distinguishing factor....one is legal and others aren't.

My fear is that if we legalize everything ... or even some things, these incidents will increase. I know this flies against those for total freedom but I maintain that some things must be done in the name of public safety.

I also realize that I am in the minority on this board on this issue but no matter. I am in the minority on a lot of things.

One more thing....you forgot your [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] on your post for those who have a problem detecting such. ;)
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This is a "false dilemma" fallacy.

Because we keep drugs illegal kids have access to them while it is far more difficult for them to gain access to alcohol. Because it is children who have such easy access, and they are far more likely to make stupid decisions like taking drugs, it is far easier for the dealers to create their next generation of users. This alone is reason to pause and think before you crow about the benefits gained from making drugs illegal.

The reason it is so easy to access drugs for children is the reality that only criminals are selling them. Your 7th grader has far more access to Marijuana because nobody is ever going to check their ID, in fact the person they are buying it from is very likely to be younger than they are.

Because we keep drugs illegal we create the circumstances that make it profitable to run gangs. Let's see if we can pull an example from the past... Prohibition really worked in the 20s, eh?

Your premise is incorrect, it isn't because drugs are illegal that makes it so less people are caught driving while under their influence, it is because legal or not less people will use drugs stronger than alcohol or marijuana. Legal or not this will always be the case.
 
Damocles said:
This is a "false dilemma" fallacy.

Because we keep drugs illegal kids have access to them while it is far more difficult for them to gain access to alcohol. Because it is children who have such easy access, and they are far more likely to make stupid decisions like taking drugs, it is far easier for the dealers to create their next generation of users. This alone is reason to pause and think before you crow about the benefits gained from making drugs illegal.

The reason it is so easy to access drugs for children is the reality that only criminals are selling them. Your 7th grader has far more access to Marijuana because nobody is ever going to check their ID, in fact the person they are buying it from is very likely to be younger than they are.

Because we keep drugs illegal we create the circumstances that make it profitable to run gangs. Let's see if we can pull an example from the past... Prohibition really worked in the 20s, eh?

Your premise is incorrect, it isn't because drugs are illegal that makes it so less people are caught driving while under their influence, it is because legal or not less people will use drugs stronger than alcohol or marijuana. Legal or not this will always be the case.
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Prohibition grealty reduced alcohal consumption. A large percentage of Americans actually obeyed the law. Many americans reduced their alcohal consumption. Alcohal had massive supply problems. People just couldn't drink as much as they use to. Prohibtion was successful in decreasing alcohal consumption and use. It failed because alcohal was used to finance organized crime and resulted in large gangs. The police failed to stop the gangs. Gangsters were able to buy cops. The government ended prohibition in order to generate taxes to pay for the new neal. Uncle Sam wanted Tax dollars prohibition didn't fail the economy did.
 
hotdog said:
Prohibition grealty reduced alcohal consumption. A large percentage of Americans actually obeyed the law. Many americans reduced their alcohal consumption. Alcohal had massive supply problems. People just couldn't drink as much as they use to. Prohibtion was successful in decreasing alcohal consumption and use. It failed because alcohal was used to finance organized crime and resulted in large gangs. The police failed to stop the gangs. Gangsters were able to buy cops. The government ended prohibition in order to generate taxes to pay for the new neal. Uncle Sam wanted Tax dollars prohibition didn't fail the economy did.
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Prohibition created the gangs, it is what I stated. Yours is just a longer post for that same sentence. Prohibition makes it profitable to run gangs.

It is also incorrect to say that it was successful in curtailing use. While at the beginning it did that, in the end the use of alcohol had actually increased per capita while quality control was a thing of the past, much of the alcohol sold had dangerous additives like antifreeze to cut the alcohol, if mixed incorrectly it caused blindness and other issues. There was also no limitation on the age of the user, if you wanted to get it and were willing to buy it from a "dealer" you could, even if you were 16. Shoot some of the runners were under that age. Most of the problems you see with current drug use mirrors the lessons of "prohibition" in the 20s. We didn't learn a thing and stubbornly believe that we can beat back human nature by making ever more draconian prison sentences.
 
Damocles said:
Prohibition created the gangs, it is what I stated. Yours is just a longer post for that same sentence. Prohibition makes it profitable to run gangs.

It is also incorrect to say that it was successful in curtailing use. While at the beginning it did that, in the end the use of alcohol had actually increased per capita while quality control was a thing of the past, much of the alcohol sold had dangerous additives like antifreeze to cut the alcohol, if mixed incorrectly it caused blindness and other issues. There was also no limitation on the age of the user, if you wanted to get it and were willing to buy it from a "dealer" you could, even if you were 16. Shoot some of the runners were under that age. Most of the problems you see with current drug use mirrors the lessons of "prohibition" in the 20s. We didn't learn a thing and stubbornly believe that we can beat back human nature by making ever more draconian prison sentences.
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But pot is harmless and there is absolutely NO definitive proof or studies that suggest it impairs you or causes any adverse affects to your mental state...!








Screamed George Michael in an attempt to be heard in a crowd of hysterically laughing people!
 
leaningright said:
You know Damo, it isn't a matter of stopping "it all." We can't do that and I freely admit it. But compare the number if impaired driving wrecks (use all illegal drugs) to the number of alcohol related accidents. One is legal and the others aren't. It isn't even close. That's my biggest reason for continuing prohibition.

One can also compare the number households adversely affected by any illegal drug and alcoholism. While the illegal drugs draws the greatest attention, alcoholism still outranks it.

The only distinguishing factor....one is legal and others aren't.

My fear is that if we legalize everything ... or even some things, these incidents will increase. I know this flies against those for total freedom but I maintain that some things must be done in the name of public safety.

I also realize that I am in the minority on this board on this issue but no matter. I am in the minority on a lot of things.

One more thing....you forgot your [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] on your post for those who have a problem detecting such. ;)
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legalizing recreational drugs does not stop jailing people for their illegal use such as operating a motor vehicle while impaired

i take pain medications and take care not to drive while under the influence - people will abuse legal and illegal drugs depending on their maturity
 
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Damocles said:
Prohibition created the gangs, it is what I stated. Yours is just a longer post for that same sentence. Prohibition makes it profitable to run gangs.

It is also incorrect to say that it was successful in curtailing use. While at the beginning it did that, in the end the use of alcohol had actually increased per capita while quality control was a thing of the past, much of the alcohol sold had dangerous additives like antifreeze to cut the alcohol, if mixed incorrectly it caused blindness and other issues. There was also no limitation on the age of the user, if you wanted to get it and were willing to buy it from a "dealer" you could, even if you were 16. Shoot some of the runners were under that age. Most of the problems you see with current drug use mirrors the lessons of "prohibition" in the 20s. We didn't learn a thing and stubbornly believe that we can beat back human nature by making ever more draconian prison sentences.
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A lot of States didn't have driking ages in 1919. Those that did it was 18.
 
Damocles said:
This is a "false dilemma" fallacy.

Because we keep drugs illegal kids have access to them while it is far more difficult for them to gain access to alcohol. Because it is children who have such easy access, and they are far more likely to make stupid decisions like taking drugs, it is far easier for the dealers to create their next generation of users. This alone is reason to pause and think before you crow about the benefits gained from making drugs illegal.

The reason it is so easy to access drugs for children is the reality that only criminals are selling them. Your 7th grader has far more access to Marijuana because nobody is ever going to check their ID, in fact the person they are buying it from is very likely to be younger than they are.

Because we keep drugs illegal we create the circumstances that make it profitable to run gangs. Let's see if we can pull an example from the past... Prohibition really worked in the 20s, eh?

Your premise is incorrect, it isn't because drugs are illegal that makes it so less people are caught driving while under their influence, it is because legal or not less people will use drugs stronger than alcohol or marijuana. Legal or not this will always be the case.
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the biggest source of drugs for kids is parents' medicine cabinets
 
Pot is easier for kids to get than beer.
Pot is safer than beer.
The founding fathers smoked pot and would be appalled at conservatives pro prohibition stance. studies are coming out showing it slow some cancer growth.
It certainly helps people with pain or sleeping problems.
 
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