Historical Globalization Stupidity

Sammy Jankis

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/united-...military-impotence-default-or-revolution.html

The demands of empire required a strong and growing economy, but Spain did not keep up with the economic expansion that was taking place in other parts of Europe. Madrid’s financial base fell out from under its empire. Spain could continue to consume in the short term because of the flow of precious metals from American mines, but it could not produce the goods it needed at home, which in the long-run proved fatal to its standing as a Great Power and as an advanced society.
Spanish imports were double exports and the precious metals became scarce within weeks of the arrival of the American treasure fleets as the money flowed to Spain’s many creditors. What industry there was, along with banking and shipping, was in the hands of foreign owners. As a modern historian, Jaime Vicens Vives, has concluded, “This was one of the fundamental causes of the Spanish economy’s profound decline in the seventeenth century, maritime trade had fallen into the hands of foreigners.” This, plus the “opening of the internal market to foreign goods,” produced a “fatal result.” Spain’s exports were at the same time under heavy pressure by competitors in third country markets. A nation that cannot control its domestic market will seldom be able to sustain itself in foreign markets, which are inherently less accessible and more unstable.
Yet, Spanish leaders were deluded by a sense of false prosperity. This is testified by the statement of a prominent official, Alfonso Nunez de Castro in 1675: “Let London manufacture those fine fabrics of hers to her heart’s content; let Holland her chambrays; Florence her cloth; the Indies their beaver and vicuna; Milan her brocade, Italy and Flanders their linens…so long as our capital can enjoy them; the only thing it proves is that all nations train their journeymen for Madrid, and that Madrid is the queen of Parliaments, for all the world serves her and she serves nobody.” A few years later, the Madrid government was bankrupt. The Spanish nobleman had foolishly elevated consumption, a use for wealth, above production, the creation of wealth.
 
http://www.prisonplanet.com/united-...military-impotence-default-or-revolution.html

The demands of empire required a strong and growing economy, but Spain did not keep up with the economic expansion that was taking place in other parts of Europe. Madrid’s financial base fell out from under its empire. Spain could continue to consume in the short term because of the flow of precious metals from American mines, but it could not produce the goods it needed at home, which in the long-run proved fatal to its standing as a Great Power and as an advanced society.
Spanish imports were double exports and the precious metals became scarce within weeks of the arrival of the American treasure fleets as the money flowed to Spain’s many creditors. What industry there was, along with banking and shipping, was in the hands of foreign owners. As a modern historian, Jaime Vicens Vives, has concluded, “This was one of the fundamental causes of the Spanish economy’s profound decline in the seventeenth century, maritime trade had fallen into the hands of foreigners.” This, plus the “opening of the internal market to foreign goods,” produced a “fatal result.” Spain’s exports were at the same time under heavy pressure by competitors in third country markets. A nation that cannot control its domestic market will seldom be able to sustain itself in foreign markets, which are inherently less accessible and more unstable.
Yet, Spanish leaders were deluded by a sense of false prosperity. This is testified by the statement of a prominent official, Alfonso Nunez de Castro in 1675: “Let London manufacture those fine fabrics of hers to her heart’s content; let Holland her chambrays; Florence her cloth; the Indies their beaver and vicuna; Milan her brocade, Italy and Flanders their linens…so long as our capital can enjoy them; the only thing it proves is that all nations train their journeymen for Madrid, and that Madrid is the queen of Parliaments, for all the world serves her and she serves nobody.” A few years later, the Madrid government was bankrupt. The Spanish nobleman had foolishly elevated consumption, a use for wealth, above production, the creation of wealth.

So the economic crisis is about america shipping its manufacturing base over seas?
 
So the economic crisis is about america shipping its manufacturing base over seas?

No more than the agricultural revolution resulted in a great depression. The only sources that say that globalization was the cause of the great recession are the ones that blame globalization on everything else as well.
 
No more than the agricultural revolution resulted in a great depression. The only sources that say that globalization was the cause of the great recession are the ones that blame globalization on everything else as well.

The facts say it. Look at the facts. Productive capacity and self reliance are all the riches a nation needs.
 
The facts say it. Look at the facts. Productive capacity and self reliance are all the riches a nation needs.

Tell that to isolationist Japan. Artificially cutting human beings off from each other is always economically disastrous. There is no such thing as a nation, there are only individuals.
 
Tell that to isolationist Japan. Artificially cutting human beings off from each other is always economically disastrous. There is no such thing as a nation, there are only individuals.

Individuals form into collectives though. That is society. We must make sure our governing structure serves all individuals in the collective, not equally, but to some degree.

Refusing to trade with those who deny human rights makes it so we don't incentivize wage slavery. Why are you such an internationalist fascist dildo?

Protectionism has historically served us well. Globalists insanity is destroying our standard of living, and empowering dictators and human rights deniers.

Incentivizing totalitarian china is disastrous.
 
Individuals form into collectives though. That is society. We must make sure our governing structure serves all individuals in the collective, not equally, but to some degree.

Refusing to trade with those who deny human rights makes it so we don't incentivize wage slavery. Why are you such an internationalist fascist dildo?

Protectionism has historically served us well. Globalists insanity is destroying our standard of living, and empowering dictators and human rights deniers.

Incentivizing totalitarian china is disastrous.
Isolation serves most well, think of all the societies that were ruined because they let outsiders in.
 
Isolation serves most well, think of all the societies that were ruined because they let outsiders in.

Yes, defending against invasion is a key function of collectives.

When governments take our taxes but refuse to perform key functions, their rule is illegitimate, like a bad father who lets people in off the street to rape and plunder his children and riches.

Of course, sometimes immigration is wanted. When their is a real labor shortage and country is growing. But in the new normal, massive immigration is similar to an unwanted invasion, which deprives opportunities to the citizenry.
 
Yes, defending against invasion is a key function of collectives.

When governments take our taxes but refuse to perform key functions, their rule is illegitimate, like a bad father who lets people in off the street to rape and plunder his children and riches.

Of course, sometimes immigration is wanted. When their is a real labor shortage and country is growing. But in the new normal, massive immigration is similar to an unwanted invasion, which deprives opportunities to the citizenry.

Why does the ideal place to restrict human movement juts happen to correlate with arbitrary and meaningless lines in the sand dreamed up because some asshole killed a few brown people a century ago and stuck a flag on it?
 
Why does the ideal place to restrict human movement juts happen to correlate with arbitrary and meaningless lines in the sand dreamed up because some asshole killed a few brown people a century ago and stuck a flag on it?

Their is no more logical way to draw up borders. Most of the current borders of the world have mostly been determined by war some have been determined peacefully through negotiations.
 
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