Does Barack Obama want to be re-elected in 2012?

Mott the Hoople said:
Wishfull thinking. They might, might take the house, no way will they take the senate. All the pollings I've seen indicate they will make serious gains but not the kind your thinking. Keep in mind, as unpopular as democratic congressionals are, republican congressionals are even more unpopular.

To see what I mean about the Senate, look at 4 or so Teabag Senate candidate who won their parties nomination and then promptly shot them selves in the foot. The same people who opposed Obama, the birthers, the "he's a muslim crowd", the "he's a socialist" wackos, all opposed him in 08. Nothings really changed there and the swing voters and folks out in the burbs have not forgottent what a miserable failure the Bush administration was with their extremist far right policies. We aint gonig back to that.
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you laugh at those who call Obama an extremist, then pretend that Bush was a far right extremist? ROFLMAO. while Bush had certain issues on which he might be considered to the far right, he was hardly an extremist. Fiscally he resembled a liberal far more often than conservative.

Out of the two, Obama is far closer to being an 'extremist' due to his determination to bail out the unions and expand the federal governments intrusion into our lives. When you factor in the fact that the nation as a whole leans more center/right, it only exaggerates each of his steps to the left in terms of public perception.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Wishfull thinking. They might, might take the house, no way will they take the senate. All the pollings I've seen indicate they will make serious gains but not the kind your thinking. Keep in mind, as unpopular as democratic congressionals are, republican congressionals are even more unpopular.

To see what I mean about the Senate, look at 4 or so Teabag Senate candidate who won their parties nomination and then promptly shot them selves in the foot. The same people who opposed Obama, the birthers, the "he's a muslim crowd", the "he's a socialist" wackos, all opposed him in 08. Nothings really changed there and the swing voters and folks out in the burbs have not forgottent what a miserable failure the Bush administration was with their extremist far right policies. We aint gonig back to that.
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The economy is faltering. They WILL lose the House. I agree the Senate is unlikely, but you are wrong on the polls. Most polls have it at 52/48 as things stand today. Two months of market declines can shift a few more close races to the Reps.

The polls of popularity mean little. This is an anti-incumbant election and that does not bode well for Dems.
 
Yurt said:
as usual onceler distorts what people actually say....

what they say is:

he is like bush in SOME areas, like his continuing secrecy, voting just like bush for the patriot act extension, making bush's arguments in court etc....
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What did I tell you the other day? THINK before you post.

Dixie, Annie, bravo, ID, STY - all have made arguments that on the economy, Obama has been "just like Bush."

Ask for links. I dare ya.
 
Jarod said:
I have had a theory that modern two term presidents intentionally follow a pattern... First year get some big stuff accomplished and work to stay popular in order to accomplish that...

Second year, (off term election year) Allow the popularity to drop as low as you dare intentionally sacraficing the congressional portion of your party so that you will have an enemy to fight while rebuilding your popularity as an underdog during the third and fourth years.

America loves the underdog and the outsider, for a sitting president to appear as such he must be unpopular in the second year. It was no accident that Bill Clinton called himself "the comeback kid"... He made it look like that intentionally.

President has it set up well, his economic recovery packages were not really set to start having a large effect until next year, if he played it correctly the economy will be in the middle of a strong and healthy recovery November of 2012 and his popularity will be at the top of a long recovery.

We will see...

Carter - Very popular at mid-term.
Reagan - very unpopular two years in.
GHWB Sr. - Very Popular at mid-term.
Clinton - Very unpopular two years in.
GWB Jr. - Different two years in due to 9-11, very popular and won reelection by one of the slimest margins ever.
Obama - Very unpopular two years in.

Ill take my chances with being unpopular two years in...
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you think Carter was 'very popular' at his mid-terms? I thought you were old enough to remember Carter. He was in NO WAY popular at mids. His approval rating had plummeted.
 
Superfreak said:
The economy is faltering. They WILL lose the House. I agree the Senate is unlikely, but you are wrong on the polls. Most polls have it at 52/48 as things stand today. Two months of market declines can shift a few more close races to the Reps.

The polls of popularity mean little. This is an anti-incumbant election and that does not bode well for Dems.
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Yea I agree with you about the anti incumbancy sentiment and that's why I think the turn over will be less then expected. It's easy to say "Throw the bum out" until it's time to vote and you see the other bum is worse then the bum you wanted to throw out. It's never just that easy! LOL
 
Jarod said:
I have had a theory that modern two term presidents intentionally follow a pattern... First year get some big stuff accomplished and work to stay popular in order to accomplish that...

Second year, (off term election year) Allow the popularity to drop as low as you dare intentionally sacraficing the congressional portion of your party so that you will have an enemy to fight while rebuilding your popularity as an underdog during the third and fourth years.

America loves the underdog and the outsider, for a sitting president to appear as such he must be unpopular in the second year. It was no accident that Bill Clinton called himself "the comeback kid"... He made it look like that intentionally.

President has it set up well, his economic recovery packages were not really set to start having a large effect until next year, if he played it correctly the economy will be in the middle of a strong and healthy recovery November of 2012 and his popularity will be at the top of a long recovery.

We will see...

Carter - Very popular at mid-term.
Reagan - very unpopular two years in.
GHWB Sr. - Very Popular at mid-term.
Clinton - Very unpopular two years in.
GWB Jr. - Different two years in due to 9-11, very popular and won reelection by one of the slimest margins ever.
Obama - Very unpopular two years in.

Ill take my chances with being unpopular two years in...
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Actually that is a pattern but not as you stated. I new President is ussually elected with broad support and popularity which they call, Political Capital. In their first year they tend to spend that poliical capital to push a legislative agenda that they campaigned for. That process in itself will create enemies and build resentment from those who oppose that agenda usually resulting in declining popularity.

Really the biggest issue affecting Obama's popularity is the sagging economy, which granted he inherited but now he's in the drivers seat, and high unemployment. If he fails to address unemployment adequatly and the Repubs can nominate someone who isn't on the right wing extreme, Obama will have a difficult time getting re-elected. If the unemployment situation does turn around, he'll be all right.

At this time I have absolutely no confidence in Republicans who can see no further then regresive tax cuts as the solution to all our problems.
 
Onceler said:
What did I tell you the other day? THINK before you post.

Dixie, Annie, bravo, ID, STY - all have made arguments that on the economy, Obama has been "just like Bush."

Ask for links. I dare ya.
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link it, to all of them

it has nothing to do with thinking moron, i just haven't seen their posts...so link up
 
Superfreak said:
The economy is faltering. They WILL lose the House. I agree the Senate is unlikely, but you are wrong on the polls. Most polls have it at 52/48 as things stand today. Two months of market declines can shift a few more close races to the Reps.

The polls of popularity mean little. This is an anti-incumbant election and that does not bode well for Dems.
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I agree that the House is done; this has '94 written all over it.

The Senate would be some kind of miracle for sure. If the Dems lose the Senate, they're not even trying.

Not sure if anyone has noticed - I read the other day that GOP fundraising is anemic, which really surprised me.
 
Yurt said:
where are the links onceler

THINK
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Can I have a few minutes there, Yurtsie?

Always sittin' back, dodgin' questions and makin' demands. You'll get your links, and then you can quietly exit stage left from this thread as you always do, or discredit them with some hairsplitting spin.
 
Damn Yankee said:
The Democrats had been waiting for this moment in history when they had a majority in the House, a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and an extremist in the White House. It was the perfect storm for them to put a few final nails in the coffin of what made this country great: capitalism. Now that they've done it, sure they'd like to get re-elected forever but they have their big pensions and will gladly settle for early retirement.

I gotta hand it to them they've planned and fought for this for decades and when the time came for those at the point of the sword to sacrifice themselves they did just that. I wish the pansies in the GOP had the same level of commitment to their cause.
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Well, The reps will get their chance. I know I'll keep riding their ass.

On the phone and email. I need to make that clear so AssMat doesn't get any ideas.
 
Onceler said:
Can I have a few minutes there, Yurtsie?

Always sittin' back, dodgin' questions and makin' demands. You'll get your links, and then you can quietly exit stage left from this thread as you always do, or discredit them with some hairsplitting spin.
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this from the guy who just yesterday whined i "ignored" your post when i did't respond within 5 minutes, while i was responding to another of your posts....you're a crack up

i know you've lost the debate when you bring up hairsplitting...you always say this when you've shown you're wrong....
 
Onceler said:
GWB winning re-election was such a fluke. He needed one of the most inept campaigns by an opponent ever, during a time of war, to eke it out. And I still think the exit polls weren't wrong on that day.
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No, he was running against a white liberal, old what's-his-name.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
It goes to show how far out on the lunatic fringe you are that a two time Bush voting reactionary like you would call a left of center moderate like Obama an extremist! LOL
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It goes to show how far out on the lunatic fringe you are that you think The Obama is center-moderate! LOL
 
Yurt said:
this from the guy who just yesterday whined i "ignored" your post when i did't respond within 5 minutes, while i was responding to another of your posts....you're a crack up

i know you've lost the debate when you bring up hairsplitting...you always say this when you've shown you're wrong....
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Actually, no. I bring it up when you split hairs, because you've been cornered & it's your only option.

I love how the onus here is on me, as though you have seen every conversation I've had with every one of these posters, and know exactly what they argue.

I'm workin' on it - it's not an easy search. If you don't believe me, type in "just like Bush" with the name of any poster who posts with any frequency. So far, I've got over 10 pages of posts for each.

But I'm trying to find the best, to satisfy the mighty Yurt's demands. You'll need some patience on this one...
 
Onceler said:
Can I have a few minutes there, Yurtsie?

Always sittin' back, dodgin' questions and makin' demands. You'll get your links, and then you can quietly exit stage left from this thread as you always do, or discredit them with some hairsplitting spin.
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chop chop...you've had 40 minutes from when i followed through with your DARE to ask for links and 20 minutes from this....chop chop
 
Annie said:
The GOP as a whole is not any different than the elite in DNC. Odds are they are going to take the House and maybe the Senate in Nov. Question then will be, what they do after that. It will determine results in 2012.
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My hope is that they pass legislation that reverses the damage from Pelosi and Reid, which of course The Obama will veto. When the economy continues to suck in 2012 we can have Chris Christie come in in a landslide.
 
Onceler said:
What did I tell you the other day? THINK before you post.

Dixie, Annie, bravo, ID, STY - all have made arguments that on the economy, Obama has been "just like Bush."

Ask for links. I dare ya.
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Onceler said:
Actually, no. I bring it up when you split hairs, because you've been cornered & it's your only option.

I love how the onus here is on me, as though you have seen every conversation I've had with every one of these posters, and know exactly what they argue.

I'm workin' on it - it's not an easy search. If you don't believe me, type in "just like Bush" with the name of any poster who posts with any frequency. So far, I've got over 10 pages of posts for each.

But I'm trying to find the best, to satisfy the mighty Yurt's demands. You'll need some patience on this one...
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your dishonesty is so transparent....lol....you dared me to ask for links, yet now its "yurt is so demanding"...you're such a fool

and no, if you were to read all the debates where i show you're wrong, you always say i'm hairsplitting...its weak and you know it, but you're incapable of admitting you're wrong
 
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