We need better gun reform: 23 shot at Oklahoma lake party

[Yakuda]

repeating demoncraps doesn’t turn vibes into data. Crime rates don’t track party lines, cashless bail exists in only a few states, and the research shows demographics and economics drive crime, not your favorite insult. If you’ve got numbers, post numbers. If not, you’re just narrating your feelings.

No crime rates track political policies and urban areas controlled by demoncraps have poor economic outcomes. Theyre shit holes and the list you posted are all the numbers we need. On top of all that you STILL havent posted a possible solution to the problem instead you focus on me. Demoncrap debate tactic 101

 

[Yakuda]

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The numbers he posted are roughly in the correct range for Black population percentages in those cities, based on U.S. Census Bureau estimates.

But — and this is the key —population percentages do not prove causation.

Listing demographics is not the same as demonstrating a link between race and crime.

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No. Criminologists overwhelmingly agree that race is not a causal factor in crime rates.

The strongest predictors of violent crime are:

• concentrated poverty
• income inequality
• housing segregation
• underfunded schools
• lack of economic mobility
• policing strategy
• population density
• age distribution

These factors correlate with historical segregation, redlining, and resource deprivation, which disproportionately affect Black communities — but race itself is not the cause.

Authoritative sources:

• Brennan Center for Justice
• National Institute of Justice
• American Sociological Association
• FBI Uniform Crime Reports (UCR)
• CDC National Center for Health Statistics

All of them emphasize structural conditions, not race.

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This claim is not supported by evidence.

Why?

Crime is concentrated in​

Large cities — regardless of political leadership — have higher crime rates than suburbs or rural areas.This is a universal pattern across countries.

Many large U.S. cities lean Democratic​

So the correlation is city size, not party.

When comparing similar‑sized cities, party control does NOT predict crime​

Example:

• Some Republican‑led cities have high violent crime rates (e.g., Jacksonville, Tulsa, Oklahoma City).
• Some Democratic‑led cities have lower rates than expected for their size.

Crime rose and fell nationally under both parties​

The 2020 spike happened nationwide, including in Republican‑led cities.The 2022–2024 declines also happened nationwide.

Conclusion: There is no consistent causal link between party control and crime rates.

Democrap isnt a race its a failed ideology that seeks to pass responsibility for an individuals actions onto everyone and everything else but the individual.

 

[Grim Reaper]

Democrap isnt a race its a failed ideology that seeks to pass responsibility for an individuals actions onto everyone and everything else but the individual.

you didn’t address a single point I made.

I laid out the data, the structural predictors, and the consensus from every major criminology institution. You responded with a partisan insult.

Personal responsibility is not a causal model. It’s a slogan. Crime trends are measured at the population level, and the factors that predict them, poverty concentration, segregation, resource deprivation, are well‑documented.

If you want to argue ideology, just say that. If you want to argue crime data, you’ll need something more substantial than a catchphrase.

 

[Yakuda]

you didn’t address a single point I made.

I laid out the data, the structural predictors, and the consensus from every major criminology institution. You responded with a partisan insult.

Personal responsibility is not a causal model. It’s a slogan. Crime trends are measured at the population level, and the factors that predict them, poverty concentration, segregation, resource deprivation, are well‑documented.

If you want to argue ideology, just say that. If you want to argue crime data, you’ll need something more substantial than a catchphrase.

I dont care what we debate the topic of the thread, is we need better gun reform and thus far not a single suggestion about what "better gun reform" looks has been put forth. So basically you can shit your pants about what I havent done, either offer a suggest about what better gun reform looks life or fuck off. I dont give a shit

 

[Jake Starkey]

Bullshit. Blue cities and states allow crime to fester. Still waiting for that shootings by city breakdown.

No, it is not, but your pathetic politics lead you along a slippery path. You created a false trail, so you can walk it alone.

 

[Jake Starkey]

yeah and? What do you think should be done about it and explain how better gun reform would make them less dense urban communities where people wont have to live elbow to elbow?

Are people required to live there?

You have offered nothing, so skip off.

 

[Yakuda]

You have offered nothing, so skip off.

Its your thread and your whining. You people do this all the time you say stupid shit like, We need better gun reform and when asked to tell us what that looks like (post # 4) you turn into a bitchy 13 year old girl

 

[Jake Starkey]

We do need better gun reform and I have asked for idea.

So, Yakuda, quit yer whinin', boyo, and give some.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

​

The numbers he posted are roughly in the correct range for Black population percentages in those cities, based on U.S. Census Bureau estimates.

But — and this is the key —population percentages do not prove causation.

Listing demographics is not the same as demonstrating a link between race and crime.

​

No. Criminologists overwhelmingly agree that race is not a causal factor in crime rates.

The strongest predictors of violent crime are:

• concentrated poverty
• income inequality
• housing segregation
• underfunded schools
• lack of economic mobility
• policing strategy
• population density
• age distribution

These factors correlate with historical segregation, redlining, and resource deprivation, which disproportionately affect Black communities — but race itself is not the cause.

Authoritative sources:

• Brennan Center for Justice
• National Institute of Justice
• American Sociological Association
• FBI Uniform Crime Reports (UCR)
• CDC National Center for Health Statistics

All of them emphasize structural conditions, not race.

​

This claim is not supported by evidence.

Why?

Crime is concentrated in​

Large cities — regardless of political leadership — have higher crime rates than suburbs or rural areas.This is a universal pattern across countries.

Many large U.S. cities lean Democratic​

So the correlation is city size, not party.

When comparing similar‑sized cities, party control does NOT predict crime​

Example:

• Some Republican‑led cities have high violent crime rates (e.g., Jacksonville, Tulsa, Oklahoma City).
• Some Democratic‑led cities have lower rates than expected for their size.

Crime rose and fell nationally under both parties​

The 2020 spike happened nationwide, including in Republican‑led cities.The 2022–2024 declines also happened nationwide.

Conclusion: There is no consistent causal link between party control and crime rates.

As usual, Google AI takes the Leftist position on this and comes up with a fail

In 2019, Black people made up 12.2% of the U.S. population. Blacks, however, represent 26.6% of total arrests, including 51.2% of murder arrests, 52.7% of robbery arrests, 28.8% of burglary arrests, 28.6% of motor vehicle theft arrests, 42.2% of prostitution arrests, and 26.1% of drug arrests

Systemic Racism in Crime: Do Blacks Commit More Crimes Than Whites? | Online Library of Liberty

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Racial Disparities in Crime: A Comprehensive Analysis

A deep dive into the racial disparities in crime rates, arrest rates, and sentencing outcomes in the US, exploring the historical and systemic factors that contribute to these disparities.

www.numberanalytics.com

Regional analyses of racial disparities in violent crime in the United States - Reason without restraint

In this post, I analyze racial disparities in exposure to violent crime across different regions in the United States.

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Blacks disproportionately commit far more crime than their numbers in the population compared to other racial groups do. That is a long-proven fact backed by decades of data. It is an incontrovertible fact. It isn't a "no consistent causal link," as Google AI puts it.

Blacks also tend to live in urban areas where Democrats have held power for often decades unbroken. So, while party affiliation of the government really makes no big difference, the racial make up of a city does. Democrats tend to attract Blacks and other minorities to cities they run. The result is those cities end up with more crime as demonstrated.

Fact check: Do Democrat-led US cities have more crime?

US President Donald Trump claims that Democrat-run cities have higher crime rates than those led by Republicans. Is he right?

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This map and article show the same thing. Democrat run cities with large, even majority, Black populations even in red states have disproportionately more crime--far more crime.

https://www.axios.com/2025/08/15/homicide-rates-highest-blue-cities-red-states