We need better gun reform: 23 shot at Oklahoma lake party

[Into the Night]

Here's the plan. Lock up criminals. Stop cashless bail, get tough on violent crime. Impeach judges who allow violent criminals back on the street. Build more prisons.

PROSECUTE judges that are aiding and abetting crime. That itself is a crime.

 

[Into the Night]

And do not allow hood and 'holler rats access to guns.

You can't.

 

[Into the Night]

It's impossible to access guns while in prison.

You can't. Prisoners make their own guns. They also make their own knuckles, clubs, knives, etc. Even regular searches won't find them all.

Still pushing that both sides nonsense?

Yes, he is. This is just a variation on the inversion fallacy, attempting to blame someone else for their problems.

 

[Into the Night]

You are absolutely wrong.

The first machine gun was invented in 1708, Wally. That is before the United States existed.

Further, the Constitution of the United States does not specify any weapon by type, brand name, type of action (if any), size of magazine if a missile weapon. ANY weapon is legal. Neither Congress nor any State has any legal authority to ban any weapon; whether it's a baseball bat, knuckle, knife, sword, bow and arrow, bomb, or any type of gun.

 

[Into the Night]

This thread ought to bring out the MAGATs and gunhumpers swarming out of their crevices. Countdown till one of them says "Chicago" -- 4...3...2...1...

ETA: I was only partially correct. It also flushed out some of our finest racists.

MAGATs is not a word, Owl. You are the first to mention Chicago as well. You cannot blame your racism on anybody else.

 

[Lionfish]

City-Level Gun Violence Patterns​

City (2024 data)	Approx. shootings per year	Mayor’s party affiliation	Context
Chicago, IL	~2,800 shootings	Democratic	Large population, concentrated poverty, gang activity.
Philadelphia, PA	~1,500	Democratic	High density, long-term gun trafficking issues.
Houston, TX	~1,200	Democratic (since 2016)	Urban sprawl, firearm prevalence, state-level lax gun laws.
Dallas, TX	~800	Democratic	Similar to Houston; state-level gun access drives numbers.
St. Louis, MO	~600	Democratic	Small city, very high per-capita rate.
Memphis, TN	~600	Democratic	High poverty and firearm ownership rates.
Indianapolis, IN	~500	Republican	Illustrates that violence is not exclusive to Democratic governance.

Key Takeaways​

• Urbanization, poverty, and gun availability are the dominant predictors — not party affiliation.
• Most large U.S. cities lean Democratic, so raw counts naturally skew that way, but per-capita rates vary widely.
• Republican-led states often have higher overall gun death rates (including suicides), while Democratic-led states have higher urban homicide concentrations.
• No credible dataset shows a causal link between party control and mass-shooting frequency.

Bias Check​

Countryboy’s rebuttal (“Dishonest nonsense”) reflects motivated reasoning — rejecting data that doesn’t fit a partisan narrative. Jake Starkey’s summary aligns with nonpartisan sources like Newsweek, Statista, and Gun Violence Archive, which emphasize complex causality rather than party blame.

Bottom Line​

Gun violence is a socioeconomic and cultural issue, not a partisan one. Cities with Democratic mayors dominate shooting statistics because most major U.S. cities are Democratic, not because of their policies. When adjusted for population and firearm density, no consistent partisan pattern emerges.

AI response. Do better.

 

[Moosakofsky]

One person was killed and at least 22 people were injured after gunfire erupted at an Oklahoma lake party – the latest in a trio of shootings involving teens or young adults over the weekend across the US.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/06/us/oklahoma-party-shooting-arrest

It's those TEENS again.

 

[Into the Night]

Gun fights are mostly a gang problem, and liberal judges see little or no reason to lock the offenders up for a long time. The solution is simple.
Commit a crime with a gun,
Five years of mandatory prison before any judge is allowed to pronounce any additional sentence.
BTW, 'new guy', most of the gun-related shootings are not in southern states.

Not quite.

Judges that allow convicted criminals back out on streets with virtually no penalty or imprisonment are themselves aiding and abetting criminal activity. They need to be prosecuted for this, not just disbarred.

If they let a convicted rapist with a long history of criminal activity out on the street and they rape again, the judge is just as culpable.

 

[Walt]

The first machine gun was invented in 1708, Wally. That is before the United States existed.

Not what a modern person would call a machine gun.

 

[Into the Night]

City-Level Gun Violence Patterns​

City (2024 data)	Approx. shootings per year	Mayor’s party affiliation	Context
Chicago, IL	~2,800 shootings	Democratic	Large population, concentrated poverty, gang activity.
Philadelphia, PA	~1,500	Democratic	High density, long-term gun trafficking issues.
Houston, TX	~1,200	Democratic (since 2016)	Urban sprawl, firearm prevalence, state-level lax gun laws.
Dallas, TX	~800	Democratic	Similar to Houston; state-level gun access drives numbers.
St. Louis, MO	~600	Democratic	Small city, very high per-capita rate.
Memphis, TN	~600	Democratic	High poverty and firearm ownership rates.
Indianapolis, IN	~500	Democratic	Illustrates that violence is not exclusive to Democratic governance.

Key Takeaways​

• Urbanization, poverty, and gun availability are the dominant predictors — not party affiliation. ...deleted ramaining AI slop...

Nope. There is only ONE common factor in this list: DEMOCRATS.
It is not urbanization.
It is not gun availability.
Poverty and the grinding misery is causes is created by DEMOCRATS.
Gangs, looting, and criminal behavior is supported by DEMOCRATS.

 

[Walt]

Further, the Constitution of the United States does not specify any weapon by type, brand name, type of action (if any), size of magazine if a missile weapon. ANY weapon is legal. Neither Congress nor any State has any legal authority to ban any weapon; whether it's a baseball bat, knuckle, knife, sword, bow and arrow, bomb, or any type of gun.

So we have an absolute right private ownership of nuclear weapons, or just chemical weapons?

 

[Lionfish]

Not quite.

Judges that allow convicted criminals back out on streets with virtually no penalty or imprisonment are themselves aiding and abetting criminal activity. They need to be prosecuted for this, not just disbarred.

If they let a convicted rapist with a long history of criminal activity out on the street and they rape again, the judge is just as culpable.

I agree, but. I suspect many judges are either bribed or threatened to the point of letting these thugs off with a slap on the wrist. That is why I believe that if the mandatory five-year term is applied first, some of the pressure will be off these corrupt judges.

 

[Into the Night]

Not what a modern person would call a machine gun.

It was a machine gun, Wally. Your word games won't work.
It is unconstitutional to ban or limit machine guns or any other weapon.

 

[Into the Night]

So we have an absolute right private ownership of nuclear weapons, or just chemical weapons?

Yes, Wally. You have the right to own nuclear weapons or chemical weapons.

As with any weapon, you are responsible for its storage and use.

 

[Into the Night]

I agree, but. I suspect many judges are either bribed or threatened to the point of letting these thugs off with a slap on the wrist.

A judge accepting a bribe is itself a crime. They should be prosecuted for that as well.

 

[Lionfish]

It was a machine gun, Wally. Your word games won't work.
It is unconstitutional to ban or limit machine guns or any other weapon.

Stick around on gun laws. The DOJ and ATF are about to change a myriad of outdated, restrictive gun laws, all for the better for the gun loving public.
BTW, it's currently legal for a citizen to own a cannon or a fully automatic firearm.

 

[Into the Night]

Stick around on gun laws. The DOJ and ATF are about to change a myriad of outdated, restrictive gun laws, all for the better for the gun loving public.
BTW, it's currently legal for a citizen to own a cannon or a fully automatic firearm.

That it is. Indeed, I make bombs for entertainment purposes and occasional pest control. I also manufacture display fireworks.

A good friend of mine built her own flamethrower. It shoots a flame a good fifty feet.

Another acquaintance of mine owns his own cannon, and shoots regularly.

Others have built trebuches and launch fireballs with it or even old Buicks.

Another I know owns his own Howitzer. It's mounted on a trailer. While towing it, the barrel points back. He never has a problem with tailgaters! He takes it to show it off at festivals honoring the military. He also provides a local service to help shoot down avalanches.

I know many pilots that own their own fighter aircraft. They are good aerobatic aircraft and these guys and gals are popular at airshows.

I like what the DOJ is doing, going after these unconstitutional and restrictive gun laws.

Mass murders by guns take place in schools, theaters, shopping malls, etc.; where guns are banned. They don't take place in shooting ranges, gun clubs, etc.

 

[Jake Starkey]

Okay, then show us a breakdown by city.

Cool story bro.

You are not in charge here. Urbanization and density seem to be keys. In smaller towns, extreme partisan groups, like MAGA and Oath Keepers, seem to be the key.

 

[Jake Starkey]

I agree, but. I suspect many judges are either bribed or threatened to the point of letting these thugs off with a slap on the wrist. That is why I believe that if the mandatory five-year term is applied first, some of the pressure will be off these corrupt judges.

Do you know how silly that sounds. Judge intimidation?

 

[Jake Starkey]

Okay, then show us a breakdown by city.

Cool story bro.

You better give us some facts, or sit down. Your opinion by itself is meaningless.