Strange: Pope Leo Silent on These Deaths

AI Summary:

Both the Gospels (the teachings of Jesus Christ) and the wider Bible address war and peace,

They present a range of principles that have been interpreted differently across history.


In the Gospels (teachings of Jesus)​


The Gospels lean strongly toward peace, nonviolence, and reconciliation:


  • “Turn the other cheek” (Gospel of Matthew 5:39)
    → Encourages non-retaliation rather than revenge.
  • “Blessed are the peacemakers” (Matthew 5:9)
    → Elevates those who actively create peace.
  • “Love your enemies” (Matthew 5:44)
    → A radical idea that goes beyond simply avoiding conflict.
  • When arrested, Jesus tells a disciple to put away his sword:
    → “Those who live by the sword shall perish by the sword.”

That said, there are also more complex or symbolic statements:


  • “I came not to bring peace but a sword” (Matthew 10:34)
    → Most scholars interpret this as metaphorical—about division caused by his message, not endorsement of violence.

Overall, the Gospels emphasize personal conduct: forgiveness, humility, and rejecting cycles of violence.



In the Old Testament (Hebrew Bible)​


The earlier part of the Bible contains many accounts of war, including wars involving ancient Israel:


  • Battles described in books like Book of Joshua and 1 Samuel
  • God is sometimes portrayed as commanding or supporting wars.

However, even here, there are strong peace-oriented themes:


  • “Nation shall not lift up sword against nation” (Book of Isaiah 2:4)
  • Calls for justice, righteousness, and eventual peace among nations.


In the New Testament beyond the Gospels​


Other writings try to balance living in a real-world society with Jesus’ teachings:


  • Epistle to the Romans 12:18:
    → “If it is possible… live at peace with everyone.”
  • Romans 13:
    → Recognizes governments as having authority, including maintaining order (which some interpret as allowing military or police force).


Big Picture​


The Bible offers tensions and principles:


  • Strong moral push toward peace, mercy, and reconciliation (especially in Jesus’ teachings)
  • Acknowledgment that conflict and war exist in human history
  • Ongoing debate about when, if ever, force is justified

These tensions led to later ideas like:


  • Pacifism (no war under any circumstances)
  • Just War Theory (war allowed under strict moral conditions)
 
FastLane said:
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And they made her a Saint for saying such an absurd blasphemous thing and have repeated it for hundreds of years. Shameful.

With the Pope in the Magliana neighborhood, (Nov. 8, 1998), by Father Gerard McCarthy.
... "During his 21-year papacy, I have had the great fortune of meeting Pope John Paul II three times face to face in personal audiences. The first time was during his maiden visit in 1981 to Philippines; the second, in a gathering of university students and professors in Rome in 1985; and the last time, in his second visit to Manila in 1995. I pray to God that we Filipinos will have another opportunity to receive him in our country. By that time we should be able to beat our own record and gather ten million people in one place in order to pray with the Sweet Christ on Earth." ...
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SAINT CATHERINE OF SIENA VIRGIN, Letter to Gregory XI translated by Vida D. Scudder, 1906, from Lives of Saints, Published by John J. Crawley & Co., Inc., on EWTN's web site.

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Following are remarks reportedly made at the Mass celebrating Pope John Paul II's 80th birthday:

... In a greeting before the Mass, Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos, prefect of the Congregation for Clergy, told the pope that those gathered prayed that God might let him “still guide us for a long time.”

“We feel that we are led by a man of God, who has won love and respect beyond every human barrier,” he said.

“The Lord has truly prepared an athlete to untiringly travel the streets of the world,” said the Colombian cardinal.

“Thank you, sweet Christ on earth, for those white hairs, for the suffering which has made you even more dear in our eyes, for your steps, as spiritually intrepid as physically tired,” he said. ...
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QP! said:
AI Summary:

Both the Gospels (the teachings of Jesus Christ) and the wider Bible address war and peace,

They present a range of principles that have been interpreted differently across history.


In the Gospels (teachings of Jesus)​


The Gospels lean strongly toward peace, nonviolence, and reconciliation:


  • “Turn the other cheek” (Gospel of Matthew 5:39)
    → Encourages non-retaliation rather than revenge.
  • “Blessed are the peacemakers” (Matthew 5:9)
    → Elevates those who actively create peace.
  • “Love your enemies” (Matthew 5:44)
    → A radical idea that goes beyond simply avoiding conflict.
  • When arrested, Jesus tells a disciple to put away his sword:
    → “Those who live by the sword shall perish by the sword.”

That said, there are also more complex or symbolic statements:


  • “I came not to bring peace but a sword” (Matthew 10:34)
    → Most scholars interpret this as metaphorical—about division caused by his message, not endorsement of violence.

Overall, the Gospels emphasize personal conduct: forgiveness, humility, and rejecting cycles of violence.



In the Old Testament (Hebrew Bible)​


The earlier part of the Bible contains many accounts of war, including wars involving ancient Israel:


  • Battles described in books like Book of Joshua and 1 Samuel
  • God is sometimes portrayed as commanding or supporting wars.

However, even here, there are strong peace-oriented themes:


  • “Nation shall not lift up sword against nation” (Book of Isaiah 2:4)
  • Calls for justice, righteousness, and eventual peace among nations.


In the New Testament beyond the Gospels​


Other writings try to balance living in a real-world society with Jesus’ teachings:


  • Epistle to the Romans 12:18:
    → “If it is possible… live at peace with everyone.”
  • Romans 13:
    → Recognizes governments as having authority, including maintaining order (which some interpret as allowing military or police force).


Big Picture​


The Bible offers tensions and principles:


  • Strong moral push toward peace, mercy, and reconciliation (especially in Jesus’ teachings)
  • Acknowledgment that conflict and war exist in human history
  • Ongoing debate about when, if ever, force is justified

These tensions led to later ideas like:


  • Pacifism (no war under any circumstances)
  • Just War Theory (war allowed under strict moral conditions)
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And just like that Trump made preachers out of Democrats. :magagrin:
 
christiefan915 said:
You think all Catholics are represented by this group of nuns?
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You think the pope has ever said hey wait a minute I am not now and have never been "the Sweet Christ on Earth"!

Nope in fact no Pope has ever corrected them. I have two copies of Crossing the Threshold of Hope by John Paul II and he referred to the Pope as "Sweet Christ On Earth". And you know the Pope in inflatable.
 
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FastLane said:
You think the pope has ever said hey wait a minute I am not now and have never been "the Sweet Christ on Earth"!

Nope in fact no Pope has ever corrected them. I have two copies of Crossing the Threshold of Hope by John Paul II and he referred to the Pope as "Sweet Christ On Earth". And you know the Pope in inflatable.
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You're cherry-picking. I asked google if Pope John Paul II called himself "sweet christ on earth" and there was no evidence. I think in the book you have, JPII was quoting Catherine of Siena about the office of the Pope, not himself personally.

Here's a link to an anti-Catholic site that you'll like, and even they don't say the Pope called himself "sweet Christ on Earth."

I forgive you for saying the Pope is "inflatable" rather than "infallible," but maybe you should research "ex cathedra" when you talk of infallibility.
 
FastLane said:
And just like that Trump made preachers out of Democrats. :magagrin:
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Did that post actually make any sense in your head before you wrote it?

Do you assume there are not Christians who are democrats?

As I stated and you avoided addressing saying any religion should not address the areas such as War and Peace, Poverty and help for the poor, Migrants and the treatment of the newcomer, and so many other areas that BOTH politics and the various churches HAVE ALWAYS both spoken to is at the top of the list of stupid things magats say on this site. Congratulations.
 
FastLane said:
You think the pope has ever said hey wait a minute I am not now and have never been "the Sweet Christ on Earth"!

Nope in fact no Pope has ever corrected them. I have two copies of Crossing the Threshold of Hope by John Paul II and he referred to the Pope as "Sweet Christ On Earth". And you know the Pope in inflatable.
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Trump has called Prime Ministers, Presidents and vice versa and because they do not on publicly correct him does not mean they think they are that.

That you jump from that to stating a lie that the Pope claims to Christ on earth and you then use the example of someone calling him that as proof shows how damaged your brain is.
 
christiefan915 said:
You're cherry-picking. I asked google if Pope John Paul II called himself "sweet christ on earth" and there was no evidence. I think in the book you have, JPII was quoting Catherine of Siena about the office of the Pope, not himself personally.

Here's a link to an anti-Catholic site that you'll like, and even they don't say the Pope called himself "sweet Christ on Earth."

I forgive you for saying the Pope is "inflatable" rather than "infallible," but maybe you should research "ex cathedra" when you talk of infallibility.
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Google obviously has not read Crossing the Threshold of Hope. I have . I know what ex cathedra means do you? Do you think the Pope Calling himself Christ on Earth is n't talking about doctrine? Face it no Human should ever call another Human Christ on Earth. It is blasphemous.
 
FastLane said:
Google obviously has not read Crossing the Threshold of Hope. I have . I know what ex cathedra means do you? Do you think the Pope Calling himself Christ on Earth is n't talking about doctrine? Face it no Human should ever call another Human Christ on Earth. It is blasphemous.
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Posting Latin phrases and archaic words that you think the rest of us don't know is not improving your shreds of credibility here, Quackter. Your posts reek of religious ignorance and prejudice. Do us all a favor and worry about your #OrangeAntichrist instead of other people's religious beliefs. We won't let the mean Pope near you. lol
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Posting Latin phrases and archaic words that you think the rest of us don't know is not improving your shreds of credibility here, Quackter. Your posts reek of religious ignorance and prejudice. Do us all a favor and worry about your #OrangeAntichrist instead of other people's religious beliefs. We won't let the mean Pope near you. lol
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I only mentioned ex catherda be your sycophant pussy patrol sister first mentioned it and I was responding back to her. Go back into your hole.

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FastLane said:
I only mentioned ex catherda be your sycophant pussy patrol sister first mentioned it and I was responding back to her. Go back into your hole.

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Clearly you don't understand metaphor. Do you think these examples are also to be taken literally? "Time is a thief," "life is a roller coaster."

You don't understand Catholicism at all, and you're so biased that you've refused to learn. Here is one of our main teachings so have at it.

The Catholic Church teaches that Christ is present in all believers through the Holy Spirit, and that every human being is made in the image of God, which reflects the belief that Christ is in all of us in a spiritual sense. This understanding emphasizes the dignity of every person as a child of God.

catholic365.com walpolecatholic.net
 
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