California - not Alabama, Texas, or Tennessee - has always been a global leader in innovation

Cypress said:
San Diego is nice.

I'm not really a big city person, I like the north coast and the central coast.
I thought about living in Tahoe, but decided the massive amounts of snow in winter wasn't worth it.
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San Dog was nice. Really liked it up through about the 2000's. It's seriously declined since then. The Gaslight downtown has gone to seed. There's a homeless and crime problem now. The military has largely pulled out of that area taking hundreds of millions in spending with it. California's onerous environmental and construction laws have made it nearly impossible to update and innovate in city planning and development.

When you tack on the cost of living there, it's just not worth visiting anymore.
 
zymurgy said:
People usually say ‘vote with their feet.’ ‘Vote with their money’ sounds like economics for people who eat paste. And speaking of paste, let’s paste in California’s disappearing feet as people keep moving out.
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I've been hearing for 40 years that California is on the verge of collapse, but it somehow never seems to happen.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
In contrast, I AM a big city person.

People who prioritize comfort and convenience over most anything else like city life.
Everything one wants is within arm's reach.
There's ample public transportation, which is virtually non-existent outside the cities.
There's all kinds of entertainment.
Most of all,
municple services do things that rural people have to do for themselves.

People who like peace, quiet, and tranquility more than the constant stimulation of city life
would understandably prefer life outside of town.

Owl made me aware that some people feel as though they're in a fishbowl when living in the city.
My observation is that city people pay far less attention to their neighbors than anyone else--
we rarely even make eye contact--
so the fishbowl feeling is just that--a feeling more than what's really happening.
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I lived in San Francisco, Houston, New Orleans, Washington DC and I never felt they were fish bowls. I just didn't like the traffic! (n)

I may not prefer big cities, but I don't want to be out in the boondocks either. I tend to like college towns or tourist meccas: for example, Boulder, Chapel Hill, Eugene, Monterey, Corvallis, Flagstaff, Ashville.
 
Cypress said:
You're free to believe your fantasy that California is a shitty, horrible, tragic place to live.
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more hypberbole to avoid how you were demolished

"vote with their money" derp derp derpity derp

dumbest guy in the room needs to return to cut and pasting. When you use your own words, it bombs
 
zymurgy said:
more hypberbole to avoid how you were demolished

"vote with their money" derp derp derpity derp

dumbest guy in the room needs to return to cut and pasting. When you use your own words, it bombs
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It's expensive to live here, partly because of supply and demand. It's unsurprising that some people move to Utah, Texas, Nevada.

Almost everyone I've known that left the state eventually came back:
a former girlfriend who went to Pennsylvania, a female colleague who went to Idaho, a buddy from grad school who went to Florida, a pal from college who went to Connecticut, a former boss who went to Nevada.

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Cypress said:
I've never found the argument compelling that I should leave because I could buy a five bedroom McMansion in Tennessee.
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That isn't the argument I'm making. When you can't afford to buy a house because an all but condemned shack is a million dollars and the mortgage is unaffordable, when you can't afford groceries and gas due to absurdly high prices, when you can't start a business because the regulations are so onerous it's impossible, and the state is taxing away what money you make, it's time to leave and go somewhere else.

California has reached that state now. Look at the LA fire rebuild of homes. Over 22,000 structures burned down. Less than 200 have been rebuilt. Less than a dozen have gotten a certificate of occupancy. It's been nearly two years. It shouldn't take a year and a half to build a residential home. Hell, it shouldn't take 6 months!
 
Cypress said:
I've been hearing for 40 years that California is on the verge of collapse, but it somehow never seems to happen.
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Really?

Compare California today to California in the year 2000?

We've already crashed.

This is not the state I loved, this is not the golden dream, that's been destroyed. I've owned my home for 30 years, but 3 out of 4 of my children have moved out of state to be able to afford a home. The fourth lives in an apartment and has given up hope of ever owning. The wealth gap widens exponentially every year as the middle class is systematically destroyed by the ruling democrats. Infrastructure is crumbling despite trillions in federal and taxpayer funds - all of it stolen by the democrats and their cronies with nothing ever done. How many hundreds of billions were spent on the "new" 71-91 interchange, only to make traffic worse?

California is a disaster. Homeless, illegals openly colonizing. In your face corruption is the rule, not the exception. The middle class jobs that made us thrive are gone. Between Brown and Newsom, the backbone of this once great state has been broken.

But hey, maybe we can take a bullet train from nowhere to nowhere - in another 80 years with a few more trillion dollars embezzled. The typical "trickle up economics" of the left have done their job and stripped the middle of economic power while the crooked democrats have crushed our voice.
 
Cypress said:
It's expensive to live here, partly because of supply and demand. It's unsurprising that some people move to Utah, Texas, Nevada.
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Shouldn't it be LESS expensive then, since our population has declined significantly? And the census counted illegals - so your party was fully represented.

abc7.com

CA projected to lose congressional seats after 2030 due to slow population growth, data shows

California's growth remains the slowest of the major U.S. states, according to the latest Census estimates, because representation in Congress is a "zero-sum" game. Faster growth in states like Texas and Florida puts California at high risk of losing congressional seats after the 2030 Census.
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Cypress said:
Almost everyone I've known that left the state eventually came back:
a former girlfriend who went to Pennsylvania, a female colleague who went to Idaho, a buddy from grad school who went to Florida, a pal from college who went to Connecticut, a former boss who went to Nevada.

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Yosemite is indeed beautiful.

It's also federal land, not California state.

This is the reality democrats have created.

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(the above is the Santa Ana river bike trail from Yorba Linda to Newport Beach)
 
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