I have no idea why some of the board lefties in here complain about the price at the pump

Noking said:
The Magatards were whining about inflation, and now theyr'e tell us that we shouldn't be worried about gas price, and home heating oil.
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...and record inflation. They'll keep praising Trump for everything he does because they truly are TDS morons.

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T. A. Gardner said:
I think it would have been better in the beginning to fully commit to winning that war rather than just trying to prop up S. Vietnam while doing little or nothing about the Viet Cong or N. Vietnam. By the time Nixon took office, LBJ had utterly fucked away any hope of that happening due to the political issues at home.
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That's a different point.

We did NOT do that. The protestors saved many American lives by helping end that war.

That, to me, is supporting the troops. Not supporting unjust wars of choice.
 
BartenderElite said:
That's a different point.

We did NOT do that. The protestors saved many American lives by helping end that war.

That, to me, is supporting the troops. Not supporting unjust wars of choice.
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That is the point with the Vietnam war. LBJ LIED his ass off to get us into it, then made a half-hearted, half-assed effort to win, tying US forces' hands behind their back. For example, the US Army was not allowed to bring tanks or other heavier armor and artillery into the theater initially. Then operational areas were defined and the US forces boxed into mostly defensive operations.

That's all on LBJ and the Democrats of the day limiting what was going on after committing to that war. Eisenhower and Kennedy both limited US involvement to just shy of 1000 advisors and instructors who were not allowed to engage in combat. LBJ used the lie about the Gulf of Tonkin incident to get the US into that war.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That is the point with the Vietnam war. LBJ LIED his ass off to get us into it, then made a half-hearted, half-assed effort to win, tying US forces' hands behind their back. For example, the US Army was not allowed to bring tanks or other heavier armor and artillery into the theater initially. Then operational areas were defined and the US forces boxed into mostly defensive operations.

That's all on LBJ and the Democrats of the day limiting what was going on after committing to that war. Eisenhower and Kennedy both limited US involvement to just shy of 1000 advisors and instructors who were not allowed to engage in combat. LBJ used the lie about the Gulf of Tonkin incident to get the US into that war.
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Well, like I said - that's an entirely different point. We never should have gotten into that war in the 1st place.

But you're really just making my point about protestors.
 
BartenderElite said:
Well, like I said - that's an entirely different point. We never should have gotten into that war in the 1st place.

But you're really just making my point about protestors.
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I pointed out things likely would have been far different if we'd fully committed to winning and defeat of the Viet Cong and N. Vietnam from the start.

That said, I agree with you that we shouldn't have gotten into that war in the first place. Instead we should have tried to work with Ho Chi Mein and the Vietnamese communist front that had been fighting to get the French out of Indochina and had even asked for US support in the 40's and 50's, rather than kicked them to the curb.
 
BartenderElite said:
Well, like I said - that's an entirely different point. We never should have gotten into that war in the 1st place.

But you're really just making my point about protestors.
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It was part of the Cold War in the form of Proxy Wars. The only good thing about the Cold War is that it didn't turn into a Hot War with the PRC or the USSR.

Monday morning quarterbacks like Terry are only proving how far around the bend they've gone by justifying the Vietnam War.

War 101: Never start a war you can't win.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Really? If you oppose the action(s), you are de facto wanting your side to lose. Cheering on the military to lose is oxymoron of sorts. It's in effect saying, I'm proud of our military being defeated in Iran...
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Opposing the actions means you don't want to chance your loved one coming home in a body bag. trump's not encouraging his son to volunteer for this "worthy" cause.
 
christiefan915 said:
Opposing the actions means you don't want to chance your loved one coming home in a body bag. trump's not encouraging his son to volunteer for this "worthy" cause.
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Personnel in the military are volunteers. They know there's a chance they could be killed or injured as part of their duty. Being in the military is NOT a safe job, per se. If you are someone who has a family member or close friend serving, you should be aware of that already.

Your claim is simply asinine. It's akin to saying, Oh, it's horrible! My (family member / friend) in the Marines was killed in combat! The horror! It should never have happened! Do you have any clue whatsoever how utterly stupid that sounds?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Personnel in the military are volunteers. They know there's a chance they could be killed or injured as part of their duty. Being in the military is NOT a safe job, per se. If you are someone who has a family member or close friend serving, you should be aware of that already.

Your claim is simply asinine. It's akin to saying, Oh, it's horrible! My (family member / friend) in the Marines was killed in combat! The horror! It should never have happened! Do you have any clue whatsoever how utterly stupid that sounds?
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Same argument the far Lefties used after Obama agreed to the Surge. Stupid is as stupid does. Same goes for political extremists.

If you were an honorable man, Terry, you'd do the honorable thing.
 
Stone said:
Most of those old slugs don't go anywhere anyway. Far as I can tell they spend entire whole days just sitting on they're decrepit asses and slinging crap in here all day every day. People like Dutch and some of the others are lucky if they burn a gallon of gas A WEEK ..........Whats the big deal.
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“tsunami” just pissed cause he can’t drive his F250 dually down to the Golden Coral everyday
 
Dutch Uncle said:
It was part of the Cold War in the form of Proxy Wars. The only good thing about the Cold War is that it didn't turn into a Hot War with the PRC or the USSR.

Monday morning quarterbacks like Terry are only proving how far around the bend they've gone by justifying the Vietnam War.
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I never justified the Vietnam war, you retard. I stated if we were going to get into it then we should have fully committed to winning right from the start.

It was not a "proxy war" of the Cold War. Ho Chi Minh and the communists in Vietnam existed prior to WW 2, and were all about throwing off French colonial rule. They no more wanted the Russians or Chinese telling them what to do than they did the French. In fact, Ho tried hard to get the US to back him and get the French out of Indochina but was rebuffed largely because of events in Korea (a proxy war).

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Read a Letter From Ho Chi Minh to U.S. President Truman Before the Vietnam War Began

In his 1946 letter to President Harry Truman, Ho Chi Minh appealed for U.S. aid in helping Vietnam achieve independence from France.
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Dutch Uncle said:
War 101: Never start a war you can't win.
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In the case of Vietnam, LBJ started a war he didn't want to win.
 
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