Democrats = failed ideas, still running against bush

Jarod said:
What?

How many times did he veto his overwhelming 6 years of Republican dominated Congress?

Who overwhelmingly voted for him for president twice?

What conservative state elected him govenor?

What conservative family did he come from?

What conservative (heratage foundation, right to life, fundamentalist christian) groups supported/ support him?
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God you are dumb sometimes. If you are going to argue he is a conservative you would not use him vetoing zero bills for six years as evidence.
 
Onceler said:
Actually, there is only dichotomy in that assessment. First, I didn't really hear conservatives rushing around calling Bush a "socialist," and that the inevitable result of his policies was Socialism. Second, there has clearly been, from the conservative side, a pretty unanimous consensus that we took some sort of dramatic left turn when Obama was elected which is going to destroy the country.

In the general conservative mindset, it wasn't "continuity" after Obama was elected. You try to make excuses for the TEA folks for not being more vocal during Bush's Presidency, but you have a blind eye to the fact that this was ideological.
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I've spent the past 9 years talking about Bush's fiscal liberalism. What Obama has done is extend the worst of Bush policy in regards to freedoms, and then go ever further into fiscal liberalism. And that is why the pendulum is swinging back so quickly. We might not be able to trust the Rs, but man we know what we got now and it isn't "change"...
 
Jarod said:
They are Democrats.
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I agree, a lot of Dems are conservatives and support the same failed conservative ideas and wars. We are working to purge them from the party just like the right has done with any moderates in their party.

The only objectors to Republicon wars, imperialism and economic slavery came from the left. The right has marched us lockstep to the edge of the cliff.
 
Damocles said:
And the R party paid for that in later elections.
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The same people who supported his policies and programs are the ones who today call themselves Conservatives... Republicans or if they are embarrassed, TEA Party!
 
Jarod said:
The same people who supported his policies and programs are the ones who today call themselves Conservatives... Republicans or if they are embarrassed, TEA Party!
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And again, that is why they paid for it in later elections. It's foolish to remain ignorant of the fact that the Rs lost much conservative support because fiscal conservatives believed that they couldn't trust the Rs to act fiscally conservative. It was the Genesis of the TEA Party which grew even larger under the known objectives of Obama.
 
Damocles said:
Dude, where have you been? If you look back you can see that was a consistent problem with Bush constantly rehashed on this website, on app, on p.com...

Seriously. You've lost all consciousness that you can claim if you actually are going to pretend that this is the first you've heard this. It was why the Rs lost so much so quickly, the conservatives stopped trusting the Rs to act even remotely fiscally conservative because they all followed Bush into his foolishness.
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I see it on this web cite with a few of what I call the the more liberal and open minded self proclamed conservatives... I would not call most of you Conservatives, especally you Damo, you in many ways are LIBERAL in my book.

The populace supported Bush as a Conservative and he is what our culture calls a conservative, he did not even face a serious challange for the nomination to the Conservative party's nomination for president after his first four years.

If it walks like a duck...
 
cawacko said:
God you are dumb sometimes. If you are going to argue he is a conservative you would not use him vetoing zero bills for six years as evidence.
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I would, when he was working with a CONSERVATIVE CONGRESS.....
 
Jarod said:
I see it on this web cite with a few of what I call the the more liberal and open minded self proclamed conservatives... I would not call most of you Conservatives, especally you Damo, you in many ways are LIBERAL in my book.

The populace supported Bush as a Conservative and he is what our culture calls a conservative, he did not even face a serious challange for the nomination to the Conservative party's nomination for president after his first four years.

If it walks like a duck...
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Dude, I'm merging this thread with the other one. I get sick of jumping between threads to answer the same questions.
 
Liberty said:
I voted Libertarian, and against him.

I hated every minute of his rule.
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ANd you are a libertarian, you voted against the VAST majority of the Conservative party!

It would be hard to call you a conservative.
 
Jarod said:
I see it on this web cite with a few of what I call the the more liberal and open minded self proclamed conservatives... I would not call most of you Conservatives, especally you Damo, you in many ways are LIBERAL in my book.

The populace supported Bush as a Conservative and he is what our culture calls a conservative, he did not even face a serious challange for the nomination to the Conservative party's nomination for president after his first four years.

If it walks like a duck...
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That's because you confuse what we modernly call libertarian (one can also call it Classical Liberal, but that usually confuses the modern American) with "liberal"...

All it took was the people who prioritized fiscal conservatism over other priorities to see where we were headed, the Rs lost support. We wound up with a fricking Supermajority in the Senate in the other direction. Seriously, it is inane to ignore that.

The problem is he shouted "quack" often, but he never swam or walked like a duck.
 
Damocles said:
And again, that is why they paid for it in later elections. It's foolish to remain ignorant of the fact that the Rs lost much conservative support because fiscal conservatives believed that they couldn't trust the Rs to act fiscally conservative. It was the Genesis of the TEA Party which grew even larger under the known objectives of Obama.
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So your argument is that Conservatives voted for Obama because Bush was only pretending to be a Conservative?

Hell, I guarantee had Bush been elegable for another term, he would have been the nominee for the Conservative party once again!
 
Jarod said:
If you are a party hack for a conservative party... Id say you are a conservative.
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Do you understand Bush was for big government? NCLB, the pill bill etc. are big government ideas. They weren't conservative ideas.
 
Liberty said:
Bush or Gore.

Bush or Carry.

How do we get the worst possible choices?

Each election gets worse and worse as for as choices go.
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These people win there party nominations... I feel sure there were better more liberal choices than Karry or Gore, but Bush is a CONSERVATIVE, hell he is the CONSERVATIVES conservative! He is a hero to the far right, just ask Dixie!
 
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