America First - FJB!

[LurchAddams]

It wasn't working. It was bullshit. Iran never stopped their nuke program.

Yes it was. Just like the border bill trump made the Republicans trash during Biden's term. trump can't let any agreement another president negotiated stand. trump is responsible for the very war he started.

Iran is a problem Carter created.

You know nothing about the history - our problems with Iran started when the US installed the Shaw.

Your ignorance is astounding.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

trump didn't warn or evacuate Americans in vulnerable positions. There are still thousands trapped over there. This is probably worse than Benghazi.

Huh? The problem right now is that TCN's (Third Country Nationals as they're called) are stuck in any of a number of Middle East countries because of this war. That's not particularly unusual. Flights are restricted due to the possibility of loss. It isn't as if those persons don't have choices.

For example, if I were stuck in Dubai or Bahrain as an American citizen, and I really wanted out of the area, I could take ground transportation through Saudi Arabia to Egypt and then fly home. Alternately, I could take transportation to say, Kenya and then fly home. Being stuck in a war zone is nothing new. You just want to make an issue out of it to disparage Trump.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Yes it was. Just like the border bill trump made the Republicans trash during Biden's term. trump can't let any agreement another president negotiated stand. trump is responsible for the very war he started.

You give Trump too much credit. Biden's border bills sucked bigtime. They were more about amnesty and a path to citizenship than doing anything about the border.

You know nothing about the history - our problems with Iran started when the US installed the Shaw.

Wrong. The Shaw was a friendly despot, and the British had more to do with his installation than we did. Carter let the Ayatollah return and we got an America hating despot in his place.

 

[QP!]

Not really. Leaving the status quo in Afghanistan leaves it a standoff. The reason the Taliban won is the US pulled out entirely and quickly--a rout. A rout lets a weaker opponent destroy a more powerful one. Custer's last stand and Isandlwana, are but two examples of two examples of this. The same thing happened in S. Vietnam. The ARVN forces initially held their line and defeated the NVA. But as casualties mounted and equipment was lost along with munitions running out, they started to crack. The US Congress--Democrats--refused to honor the treaty with S. Vietnam Nixon had negotiated to supply them replacement arms and munitions, and the ARVN started to fall apart. Defeat turned into a rout.

rout
[raʊt]
noun
verb
rout (noun)
routs (plural noun)

1. a disorderly retreat of defeated troops

If Biden did nothing, the situation wouldn't have changed. It would have remained a low-grade war with little or no progress.

Biden was an idiot, as he always had been, on foreign policy. He made the worst possible choice and then forced it on the military. They obeyed the orders and Afghanistan turned into a rout. Like I said, when it comes to foreign policy, Biden was a complete disaster, and not just with Afghanistan but virtually everything he was involved in for nearly 50 years.

ya you are just lying.

If Biden scrapped the bad Trump deal or even delayed it and the Taliban felt betrayed and attacked and killed US service members you can pretend all you want you would not have criticized Biden and asked why he did not just stick to the deal Trump negotiated and that instead you would have supported Biden but no one believes you.

You and other magats and the main stream media would have beat the drum 'Trump had a deal with the Taliban and all biden had to do was leave and stick to it'.

 

[QP!]

Yes it was. Just like the border bill trump made the Republicans trash during Biden's term. trump can't let any agreement another president negotiated stand. trump is responsible for the very war he started.

You know nothing about the history - our problems with Iran started when the US installed the Shaw.

Your ignorance is astounding.

Yup.

And the US and others armed Saddam and helped him get power in Iraq.

And now Trump admin is said to be in talks with every splinter faction in and around Iran to see if they can arm and support any of them to engage in a boots on the ground war within Iran, in the same way they brought Saddam to power.

NeoCon never learn, or better yet they did learn and this is a pattern of forever wars they WANT to keep repeating.

 

[Jake Starkey]

Biden "forced" nothing on the military, other than to withdraw.

Once the Afghan army knew Uncle Sam's money would stop paying its solider, all non-US military was gone, and the Taliban took power.

It was a bad treaty signed by a bad president.

 

[LurchAddams]

Yup.

And the US and others armed Saddam and helped him get power in Iraq.

And now Trump admin is said to be in talks with every splinter faction in and around Iran to see if they can arm and support any of them to engage in a boots on the ground war within Iran, in the same way they brought Saddam to power.

NeoCon never learn, or better yet they did learn and this is a pattern of forever wars they WANT to keep repeating.

My theory is trump needed a distraction from Epstein and ICE fuckups. He needed the change of subject so badly he's willing to kill people to continue the coverups.

 

[LurchAddams]

ya you are just lying.

If Biden scrapped the bad Trump deal or even delayed it and the Taliban felt betrayed and attacked and killed US service members you can pretend all you want you would not have criticized Biden and asked why he did not just stick to the deal Trump negotiated and that instead you would have supported Biden but no one believes you.

You and other magats and the main stream media would have beat the drum 'Trump had a deal with the Taliban and all biden had to do was leave and stick to it'.

Terry's thought process: all failures by trump are Biden's fault

 

[QP!]

Biden "forced" nothing on the military, other than to withdraw.

Once the Afghan army knew Uncle Sam's money would stop paying its solider, all non-US military was gone, and the Taliban took power.

It was a bad treaty signed by a bad president.

And moreso the Trump admin negotiated the end deal with the Taliban entirely and excluded the Afghan gov't from any of the negotiations.

So as soon as the US started pulling out the Afghan gov't disolved and the Afghan army ran which set up the disastors that followed.

If instead the Trump admin had the Afghan gov't as part of the final negotiations and deal and the deal was that the Taliban world do nothing for at at least 30 days of 60 days after withdrawal and the Afghan gov;t would back stop it, it would not have ended that way.

The Trump admin knew they were setting Biden up in a damned if you do, damned if you do not situation. Follow the poorly set up Trump deal and you get what happened. Do not follow it then own every thing that happens after while magats and media criticize you for not just sticking to the Trump deal.

 

[Stone]

You are an idiot. BUT,....at least you donated a couple dollars to JPP so........

 

[Number Six]

You are an idiot. BUT,....at least you donated a couple dollars to JPP so........

You love when Dammo lies to you.

 

[Guno צְבִי]

Yes it was. Just like the border bill trump made the Republicans trash during Biden's term. trump can't let any agreement another president negotiated stand. trump is responsible for the very war he started.

You know nothing about the history - our problems with Iran started when the US installed the Shaw.

Your ignorance is astounding.

1953

 

[Ross Dolan]

Biden threw out, stopped, or otherwise overturned much of what Trump did in his first term. He could have easily done the same with that Afghanistan agreement--it really wasn't a treaty as Congress didn't ratify it. But Biden chose not to. In fact, he pushed up the agreed dates making the withdrawal faster.

But I can see the reason for that. Biden was in office, either as President or in congress, for nearly 50 years. In that time, he was on the wrong side of every major foreign policy decision made by the US. He was, and is, a foreign policy fuck up.

President Biden: Forty Years of Getting It Wrong | American Center for Law and Justice

It was former Defense Secretary Robert Gates who said of Joe Biden in his book Duty: Memoirs of a Secretary at War: “I think he’s been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the last four decades.” During the last presidential campaign, Margaret Brennan of...

aclj.org

TIMELINE: The Top 105 Foreign Policy Failures of the … | Polaris National Security

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https://americandiplomacy.web.unc.edu/2025/02/bidens-troubled-foreign-policy-legacy/

For example, when Obama learned of Osama bin Laden's location, Biden advised against a strike to get him. Obama delayed his decision for almost six months based in part on that bad advice.

So, that Biden fucked away Afghanistan is just par for the course. He proved, once again, why he shouldn't have been in power. One of our most inept and worst presidents ever.

Then, luckily, for Biden and all other presidents...we have Trump to take the top spot as the most inept and worst presidents ever. I doubt anyone will ever move Trump out of last place as our chief executive.

Which, of course, is a message for history about the people who continue to support him at this time. Not especially complimentary things, if you are having trouble divining that.

 

[Ross Dolan]

if Biden threw out the Trump negotiated deal and the Taliban feared that was just an excuse for the US to never leave and attacked you would have been the first one saying 'all Biden had to do was follow the Trump deal and not screw it up'.

No chance you would have been arguing 'biden was right to throw it out' if bad fallout came from cancelling the deal.

Biden was given no clean choice and just getting the US out was the big win as no other POTUS did it, including Trump but they all talked about it. So while you argue 'biden could have done it BETTER' you cannot say Trump or any before him did it 'at all'. The rest all failed.

The MAGA supporters grasp at whatever straws are available. And while the
Biden could have done it BETTER" mantra may have some substance (most presidents could have done what they did "better")...I doubt Trump could do what he is doing better. Jis incompetence is hard-wired. He is doing his best...and what he is doing sucks like a black hole.

 

[Jarod]

FDT

 

[signalmankenneth]

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Then, luckily, for Biden and all other presidents...we have Trump to take the top spot as the most inept and worst presidents ever. I doubt anyone will ever move Trump out of last place as our chief executive.

Which, of course, is a message for history about the people who continue to support him at this time. Not especially complimentary things, if you are having trouble divining that.

Trump is mediocre, middle of the pack, just below the median, as a President. He's nothing special and really hasn't done anything outstanding either positive or negative as one.

The Left and their allies in the MSM, of which there are a vast number, hate him with a visceral loathing because he pushes their buttons and seems hell bent on undoing everything they hold dear.

You can claim he's in last place all you want, but you can't make a fact-based argument comparing him to other presidents as to why. Your argument will, instead, be some irrelevant one like, Historians say he's dead last. That's an irrelevant appeal to authority and based on historians who are Leftists themselves and hate Trump. Or you'll point to how unpopular he is with people like you, an irrelevant appeal to popularity.

Your argument is baseless and based solely on your personal hatred of the man. I get it. You hate him. For you, anybody would be better. That same hatred makes it impossible for you to grasp why somebody wouldn't hate him. I don't have to be some Trump sycophant to see Trump as something other than the worst president in history. But for you, that is unacceptable. Only sheer and total hatred will suffice.

 

[Jake Starkey]

Trump is mediocre, middle of the pack, just below the median, as a President. He's nothing special and really hasn't done anything outstanding either positive or negative as one.

The Left and their allies in the MSM, of which there are a vast number, hate him with a visceral loathing because he pushes their buttons and seems hell bent on undoing everything they hold dear.

You can claim he's in last place all you want, but you can't make a fact-based argument comparing him to other presidents as to why. Your argument will, instead, be some irrelevant one like, Historians say he's dead last. That's an irrelevant appeal to authority and based on historians who are Leftists themselves and hate Trump. Or you'll point to how unpopular he is with people like you, an irrelevant appeal to popularity.

Your argument is baseless and based solely on your personal hatred of the man. I get it. You hate him. For you, anybody would be better. That same hatred makes it impossible for you to grasp why somebody wouldn't hate him. I don't have to be some Trump sycophant to see Trump as something other than the worst president in history. But for you, that is unacceptable. Only sheer and total hatred will suffice.

Your conclusion is a fallacy assertion. No evidence that anyone is 'hating' Trump. And, yes, here is a fallacy assertion from the other side; Trump is the worst president ever or is the greatest President ever. T. A. needs evidence. And he seldom does that well. See a conclusion posing as the evidence.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Your conclusion is a fallacy assertion. No evidence that anyone is 'hating' Trump. And, yes, here is a fallacy assertion from the other side; Trump is the worst president ever or is the greatest President ever. T. A. needs evidence. And he seldom does that well. See a conclusion posing as the evidence.

Why the left opposes everything Trump backs — even when they know he’s right

The more Trump pressed almost all NATO members to pay their promised 2% of GDP on defense, the more Democrats grew irate over Trump’s overseas influence.

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https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/5180888-democrats-missteps-trump-hate/

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/opinion/2025/03/14/why-do-democrats-hate-trump-so-much/82308096007/

Democrats upset about war because they hate Trump and Israel - Villages-News.com

A reader from Leesburg says that hatred of President Trump and Israel are at the root of all of the complaints about the war on Iran.

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Former Democrat: The Left Has Become So Anti-Trump They've Got You Arguing For Things You Used To Be Against

"Leelo Rising" on TikTok comments on why she is no longer a Democrat: "When the left started trying to push this 'Nazi, Hitler, fascism' narrative that they're trying to push right now, what y'all actually did is made a lot of us really go research Trump even harder. And we started to realize...

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“I Want To Hate Him More”: Carville Embraces “TDS” In Unhinged Viral Rant Against Trump

James Carville, the 81-year-old veteran Democratic strategist, has sparked a fresh wave of political debate after releasing a high-intensity, 11-minute video on the Politicon YouTube channel. In the footage, Carville addressed his critics by leaning directly into the “Trump Derangement Syndrome”...

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Must be tough on you living under a rock.

 

[Jake Starkey]

T. A. resents having his nose being put to the grindstone.

Get your whetstone, you are going to get know the stone well.