What god did Einstein believe in?

[IBDaMann]

both sides having merit is what defines a paradox.

Incorrect. Both sides having merit is a discussion, with each "side" being an argument.

A paradox is an apparent contradiction. Religious people tend to prefer the word "paradox" because the word "contradiction" is harsh, carrying the connotation of rendering everything FALSE whereas a paradox allows for discussion and acceptance where permissible, e.g. religion, unexplained observations, etc.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It's funny that you didn't know a roll of a die was completely deterministic from the perspective of the physical forces of the universe. It's only our lack of perfect information that makes it seemingly random to our minds.
You never set foot in any physics class in high school or college, did you?

Please don't feed the trolls. I'm tempted to put this fucking moron and his socks on ignore just to clean up the forum for reading.

He has never, ever contributed anything useful or intelligent to a conversation. He was interesting to study for awhile but now he's just a repetitive bore.

 

[Into the Night]

It's funny that you didn't know a roll of a die was completely deterministic from the perspective of the physical forces of the universe.

The Universe is not a force.

It's only our lack of perfect information that makes it seemingly random to our minds.

You still have no concept of random number mathematics.

You never set foot in any physics class in high school or college, did you?

Physics isn't a school, college, university, degree, license, government agency, book, pamphlet, website, paper, association, journal, or magazine.

You routinely discard physics.

The Universe is a random dustcloud.

 

[Into the Night]

So bottom line is you did not have the intellectual and cognitive power to realize the roll of a die is completely deterministic from the perspective of the physical forces of nature, and the only thing that makes it seemingly random to our minds is because we lack perfect information and computational power for all the forces involved.

Repetition fallacy (chanting).

 

[Into the Night]

Please don't feed the trolls. I'm tempted to put this fucking moron and his socks on ignore just to clean up the forum for reading.

YAFI. Inversion fallacy. You cannot blame your socks on anybody else, Sybil.

He has never, ever contributed anything useful or intelligent to a conversation.

You are describing yourself again.

He was interesting to study for awhile but now he's just a repetitive bore.

You are describing yourself again, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

both sides having merit is what defines a paradox.

No. That is a conversation.

you always get this one wrong.

why can't your dumb brain learn?

Go learn English.

 

[Into the Night]

Incorrect. Both sides having merit is a discussion, with each "side" being an argument.

A paradox is an apparent contradiction. Religious people tend to prefer the word "paradox" because the word "contradiction" is harsh, carrying the connotation of rendering everything FALSE whereas a paradox allows for discussion and acceptance where permissible, e.g. religion, unexplained observations, etc.

Not quite. A paradox is two conflicting arguments made by the same individual. The truth or falseness of either argument is not particularly the question, although one of the conflicting argument must be false if one is to claim the other.

No religion is involved here.

See the concept of a Strange Loop.

 

[Cypress]

Please don't feed the trolls. I'm tempted to put this fucking moron and his socks on ignore just to clean up the forum for reading.

He has never, ever contributed anything useful or intelligent to a conversation. He was interesting to study for awhile but now he's just a repetitive bore.

It's entertaining to watch them slowly and belatedly realize they were wrong, but then try to bullshit their way around it anyway

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It's entertaining to watch them slowly and belatedly realize they were wrong, but then try to bullshit their way around it anyway

Agreed. FWIW, I doubt he's stupid, just irrational to the point of illness.

 

[Cypress]

Agreed. FWIW, I doubt he's stupid, just irrational to the point of illness.

Agreed, in addition to having trouble thinking clearly and rationally, this troll seems to have some kind of mental impairment.

 

[IBDaMann]

A paradox is two conflicting arguments made by the same individual.

Exactly. In logic, that is called a contradiction. You prefer the word "paradox". Nothing more.

No religion is involved here.

Every religion is involved. All religions are unfalsifiable. Any attempt to discuss a religion logically implies assigning truth values to statements, which leads to contradictions everywhere the religion is otherwise unfalsifiable. To bypass this connotation of an unfalsifiable religion being falsified, the word "paradox" is used to denote that an apparent contradiction requires further discussion and greater nuance.

 

[Into the Night]

Exactly. In logic, that is called a contradiction. You prefer the word "paradox". Nothing more.


Every religion is involved.

Logic is not religion. While a paradox is a contradiction, a contradiction is not necessarily a paradox.

All religions are unfalsifiable.

True.

Any attempt to discuss a religion logically implies assigning truth values to statements, which leads to contradictions everywhere

Supporting evidence is not a contradiction.

the religion is otherwise unfalsifiable.

Religions are unfalsifiable. It is not possible to prove any religion True or False.

To bypass this connotation of an unfalsifiable religion being falsified, the word "paradox" is used to denote that an apparent contradiction requires further discussion and greater nuance.

Paradox has nothing to do with religion.

 

[Cypress]

The Universe is a random dustcloud!

The motions of masses the size of dice, baseballs, planets are completely deterministic.

This is the very first topic covered in high school physics.

The fact you did not know this and that you keep bellowing that everything is random and arbitrary just demonstrates you are unqualified to have this conversation.

 

[IBDaMann]

Logic is not religion. While a paradox is a contradiction, a contradiction is not necessarily a paradox.

True. A paradox is a contradiction that you continue to discuss, otherwise there is no discussion, the contradiction is simply discarded.

Most people who discuss religion prefer to discuss their doctrines as opposed to simply discarding them because there is a contradiction. Since contradictions are allowed in religion, thus enabling continued discussion, the contradiction can simply be called a paradox and the discussion continued without missing a beat. The Catholic Church does exactly this, except they don't use the word "paradox", they say "mystery" (or "great mystery", depending on the importance of the doctrine).

When a religious person is discussing religion, it isn't particularly helpful / useful to point to an apparent contradiction and say "Nope! False! That's a contradiction right there. Discarded." It is more productive to respond "That seems paradoxical, you claim one equals three, yet one does not equal three", etc. while continuing the discussion.

Of course, religious people discussing religion are free to use the word "contradiction" as long as everyone involved in the discussion agrees to interpret "contradiction" as "paradox" or else the discussion won't last long.

Supporting evidence is not a contradiction.

Absolutely correct.

Religions are unfalsifiable.

Absolutely correct.

It is not possible to prove any religion True or False.

Absolutely correct.

Paradox has nothing to do with religion.

Religious discussions are steeped in paradoxes, typically rooted in the assumption/axioms.

 

[IBDaMann]

The motions of masses the size of dice, baseballs, planets are completely deterministic.

Asked and answered. This has b een explained to you. You are too stupid to learn. I advise Into the Night to not waste any more time on your petty need to validate your erroneous internet regurgitations.

This is the very first topic covered in high school physics.

Why the fuck didn't you remain awake for it? The fact that you don't know any of this, even after it has been explained to you multiple times, reveals just how allergic you are to learning.

 

[Into the Night]

The motions of masses the size of dice, baseballs, planets are completely deterministic.

So now you deny Heisenberg's law.

This is the very first topic covered in high school physics.

No physics involved here. You routinely deny and discard theories of science.

The fact you did not know this and that you keep bellowing that everything is random and arbitrary just demonstrates you are unqualified to have this conversation.

Void argument fallacy. Denial of random number mathematics. The Universe is a random dust cloud.

 

[Into the Night]

True. A paradox is a contradiction that you continue to discuss, otherwise there is no discussion, the contradiction is simply discarded.

Most people who discuss religion prefer to discuss their doctrines as opposed to simply discarding them because there is a contradiction. Since contradictions are allowed in religion, thus enabling continued discussion, the contradiction can simply be called a paradox and the discussion continued without missing a beat. The Catholic Church does exactly this, except they don't use the word "paradox", they say "mystery" (or "great mystery", depending on the importance of the doctrine).

When a religious person is discussing religion, it isn't particularly helpful / useful to point to an apparent contradiction and say "Nope! False! That's a contradiction right there. Discarded." It is more productive to respond "That seems paradoxical, you claim one equals three, yet one does not equal three", etc. while continuing the discussion.

Of course, religious people discussing religion are free to use the word "contradiction" as long as everyone involved in the discussion agrees to interpret "contradiction" as "paradox" or else the discussion won't last long.

A paradox is a contradiction. A contradiction is not necessarily a paradox.

Religious discussions are steeped in paradoxes, typically rooted in the assumption/axioms.

No, they aren't.