Believers and scripture...!

[FastLane]

And just like that Trump made Bible thumpers out of atheist.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Here's the crux of the whole thing: Without God's standard for morality, there is no standard.

I disagree in spades. Frankly, I think there is ONLY the standard of morality that any society agrees upon...even if they do it by inventing gods to be the "giver" of that morality.

Man is not able to set absolute standards of morality, whether you like it or not, I don't care.

Humans are able to do so...and have done so for millennia. Like it or not.

Subjective morality theory does not fly in the face of good vs. evil.

I have no idea of what you mean by that.

Objective morality established by God is the only way.

And what if there are no gods?

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Any vision of human morality is still measured by the standard of God's morality.

What if there are no gods?

You can't just write God, The Creator of this world off like you think you can, if you happen to be the type of arrogant, selfish shithead that wants to.

What if there are no gods?

Just because you might want it to be that way, does not mean it is.

Just because you blindly guess there are gods doess not mean there are any gods.

No, no. God created this world and the laws that it runs by, and it works like clockwork.

What if there are no gods?

The sooner you realize that, the better off you will be.

The sooner you realize there might be no gods...the better off you will be.

It isn't all about you.

Agreed. Nor have I ever suggested it was.

You're welcome to your experience, but your experience is going to happen in God's world.

What if there are no gods?

Also, it will be regulated by God's rules.

But...and you have to consider this: WHAT IF THERE ARE NO GODS.

 

[Ross Dolan]

I think you already said it yourself, especially the bolded. "the people who wrote it, decided it would make sense to set their "Heaven" up in a way that would require "the people" to be good. They did not want murderers or robbers roaming around. So they made their Heaven very exclusive."

Correct.

Even on a very micro level, this makes sense to me. Do you have walls and doors on your home? Do you let anybody and everybody enter into your home, or only certain select people? Why is that?

It makes sense.

But to exclude immigrants from the U.S. does not. It is a land, at this time, made up of immigrants...except for the native Americans, who have damn near no say over what happens. They are at the mercy of immigrants.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

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Typical for a MAGAt "Christian"; talks the talk but never walks the walks.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Historians interpret human behavior daily here, while putting into context how society saves ancestries 7 days a week in body and spirit ignoring how each brain instinctively navigates living in a series parallel situation of just adapting by heart beats cradle to grave now, where ideas mean more than actual time alive.

Traditional family values are maintained by context between all currently generation gaps living one at a time now.

Economic theory feeds off sibling rivalry emotions in every ancestor born. The power behind suggesting now isn't eternity 7 days a week and factually sustaining rule of law to super ceded adapting in plain sight.

Keep it simple stupid. karma is a perpetual balancing universe where past and future collide evolving forward now never same details twice keeping results never same form shaped since arrival as combined periodic elements or chromosomes in streaming DNA numbers occupying time each rotation here.

Self evident time alive each beating heart present regardless species, ancestral lineage, generation gap, gender, current situaiton this rotation of the planet total sum past, current events, each next rotation binary code of existed, evolving, never happened yet.

Hell of a binary code index instinctive brain navigates 24/7 and intellectual minds ignore 7 days a week cradle to grave pretending context builds better social tomorrows greater than chromosomes inhabiting time daily here.

Derp derp

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Yes but there's more

Talks the talk but never walks the walk.

Examples:

Just like you filthy barn animals

You're such a pussy

 

[QP!]

Made up quotes are not what Jesus said. You have yet to quote anything that Jesus said.

Why does Heaven have walls/gates and strict immigration policy? Why were Adam and Eve "deported" from the Garden of Eden? Why was the Garden of Eden guarded by angels who didn't allow Adam and Eve to return there?

Those are not made up quotes and directly reflect what is said in the bible, which i cite below.

Do you think these passages wrong and the teachings of Christ to be wrong?


Bible passages that address the treatment of foreigners, migrants, and strangers:

• Exodus 22:21 prohibits mistreating or oppressing a foreigner, reminding that "you were foreigners in Egypt" [].
• Leviticus 19:33–34 instructs not to mistreat foreigners residing among you, but to treat and love them as native-born, as "you were foreigners in Egypt" [].
• Deuteronomy 10:18–19 highlights God's love for foreigners and the command to love them in return, remembering "you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt" [].
• Matthew 25:35 includes welcoming the stranger as an act of service.
• Hebrews 13:2 encourages showing hospitality to strangers.
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[gfm7175]

Correct.

It makes sense.

Yup, it makes sense to me too.

But to exclude immigrants from the U.S. does not.

Whoa... Now you're, once again, chomping at the bit to allow anyone and everyone access into your house, regardless of whether they're a robber or a murderer or a thief or whatever they might be. I mean, it would be HORRIBLE for you to dare EXCLUDE any "IMMIGRANTS" from your house, right Frank?

It is a land, at this time, made up of immigrants...except for the native Americans,

... who once "immigrated" here themselves, residing in and making claim to lands that likewise were not initially theirs.

who have damn near no say over what happens. They are at the mercy of immigrants.

... thus you want to allow unfettered immigration into your house so that you are at the mercy of immigrants?

You're not making any sense, Frank...

 

[gfm7175]

Those are not made up quotes and directly reflect what is said in the bible, which i cite below.

Do you think these passages wrong and the teachings of Christ to be wrong?


Bible passages that address the treatment of foreigners, migrants, and strangers:

• Exodus 22:21 prohibits mistreating or oppressing a foreigner, reminding that "you were foreigners in Egypt" [].
• Leviticus 19:33–34 instructs not to mistreat foreigners residing among you, but to treat and love them as native-born, as "you were foreigners in Egypt" [].
• Deuteronomy 10:18–19 highlights God's love for foreigners and the command to love them in return, remembering "you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt" [].
• Matthew 25:35 includes welcoming the stranger as an act of service.
• Hebrews 13:2 encourages showing hospitality to strangers.
• 
  

Great! NOW there's some specific passages for us to discuss.

These are all commands to treat aliens properly, not for unfettered immigration. Remember, Israel was also commanded to remain distinct from other nations and their practices (see Leviticus 20:26, Nehemiah 13:3, etc), and unfettered immigration doesn't allow for that.

 

[QP!]

Great! NOW there's some specific passages for us to discuss.

These are all commands to treat aliens properly, not for unfettered immigration. Remember, Israel was also commanded to remain distinct from other nations and their practices (see Leviticus 20:26, Nehemiah 13:3, etc), and unfettered immigration doesn't allow for that.

Right. Do you think magats support that type of treatment of aliens in the US?

 

[Ross Dolan]

Yup, it makes sense to me too.

Good, we agree.

Whoa... Now you're, once again, chomping at the bit to allow anyone and everyone access into your house, regardless of whether they're a robber or a murderer or a thief or whatever they might be. I mean, it would be HORRIBLE for you to dare EXCLUDE any "IMMIGRANTS" from your house, right Frank?

Wow...that is about as destructive of logic as I've seen coming from you in this discussion, gfm.

I am sure you allow friends and relatives access to your house, but that does not mean you are "chomping at the bit to allow anyone and everyone access."

The two do not follow. It is a stretch you are attempting, rather unsuccessfully, because you want to make it okay to exclude immigrants from coming to the U.S.

Okay, but you sound absurd for attempting it. I am not laughing WITH you on this one, I am laughing at you.

... who once "immigrated" here themselves, residing in and making claim to lands that likewise were not initially theirs.

One could say that about every piece of land that now exists on planet Earth and supposedly is now owned by anyone.

You are stretching way too far, gfm. You are going to hurt yourself. Be careful.

... thus you want to allow unfettered immigration into your house so that you are at the mercy of immigrants?

No I do not...and nothing I have said could be construed by anyone sane and intelligent to suggest anything of the sort. Really, son, you are contorting yourself in an out-of-control spiral of absurdity to defend something that you would be better just abandoning.

We are a country that, more than almost any other, came into existence and has been sustained by immigration. The fact that some people are different from you should not cause such fear for you.

Try to control that. You have nothing to fear, but fear itself...or something like that.

You're not making any sense, Frank...

YOU ARE MAKING MUCH LESS SENSE, gfm. YOU ARE MAKING NONE AT ALL.

Your fears are driving you nuts.

Perhaps you can ask Mommy, or whomever you now have to take Mommy's place, to comfort you with a big hug. Everything will be okay.

 

[gfm7175]

Right. Do you think magats support that type of treatment of aliens in the US?

Idk about magats, but the MAGA movement supports such proper treatment of aliens in the USA (same with all other people).

 

[domer76]

Here's the crux of the whole thing: Without God's standard for morality, there is no standard.
Man is not able to set absolute standards of morality, whether you like it or not, I don't care.
Subjective morality theory does not fly in the face of good vs. evil.
Objective morality established by God is the only way.

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Any vision of human morality is still measured by the standard of God's morality.
You can't just write God, The Creator of this world off like you think you can, if you happen to be the type of arrogant, selfish shithead that wants to.
Just because you might want it to be that way, does not mean it is.
No, no. God created this world and the laws that it runs by, and it works like clockwork.
The sooner you realize that, the better off you will be.
It isn't all about you. You're welcome to your experience, but your experience is going to happen in God's world.
Also, it will be regulated by God's rules.

God never set any moral standards. The entire fucking Bible was written by regular old human beings.

Stupid fuck.

 

[domer76]

You have an issue with that?View attachment 74943

Yeah, it’s call murder.

 

[Matt Dillon]

God never set any moral standards. The entire fucking Bible was written by regular old human beings.

Stupid fuck.

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[gfm7175]

Good, we agree.

If only your position actually remained consistent. You are very quick to jump right back into the "unfettered immigration" nonsense.

Wow...that is about as destructive of logic as I've seen coming from you in this discussion, gfm.

I am sure you allow friends and relatives access to your house,

I do, and I'm sure that you do too. That's my point. I am very selective about who I allow into my house, and I'm willing to bet that you are too. So, assuming that to be true, why are you so selective about it? Why is your house such an "exclusive" place that only certain people are allowed into (and most people are not)? Would you let some others into your house if you "properly vetted" them first?

but that does not mean you are "chomping at the bit to allow anyone and everyone access."

You said "to exclude immigrants from the US does not [make sense]". So maybe there's some "middle ground" to be had somewhere between "zero immigrants whatsoever" and "unfettered immigration"? Do you suppose that the same things that you do re: your house (e.g. erecting walls/doors, locking your doors, allowing different access levels for different people, generally allowing access only upon permission and only if certain rules are followed, etc) should also be done on a national level? (instead of what the Autopen Regime did, aka "unfettered alien invasion")

The two do not follow. It is a stretch you are attempting, rather unsuccessfully, because you want to make it okay to exclude immigrants from coming to the U.S.

Of COURSE I want to exclude certain people from coming into the USA, just as YOU want to exclude certain people from coming inside of your house.

One could say that about every piece of land that now exists on planet Earth and supposedly is now owned by anyone.

Exactly.

You are stretching way too far, gfm. You are going to hurt yourself. Be careful.

I'm just speaking common sense, or what SHOULD be common sense.

No I do not...and nothing I have said could be construed by anyone sane and intelligent to suggest anything of the sort. Really, son, you are contorting yourself in an out-of-control spiral of absurdity to defend something that you would be better just abandoning.

Now you're just flailing.

Under one breath, you're whining about how "native Americans" (meaning various Indian tribes) are now "at the mercy of immigrants" (meaning English settlers), while under another breath, you're giddy about allowing "USA citizens" (meaning you and me) to be "at the mercy of immigrants" (meaning illegal aliens from various countries all over the world, mostly coming in via Mexico).

IOW, you see the history of what happens whenever too many foreigners occupy the same space of a different culture (and you've even seen it happen in Europe very recently), yet you wish to repeat those very same histories to the USA's (your own) detriment.

We are a country that, more than almost any other, came into existence and has been sustained by immigration.

Wrong. What is now the USA first came into existence by English settlers, and has since been sustained by the future generations of those settlers (as well as other European settlers and their future generations).

The fact that some people are different from you should not cause such fear for you.

It doesn't.

Try to control that. You have nothing to fear, but fear itself...or something like that.

YOU ARE MAKING MUCH LESS SENSE, gfm. YOU ARE MAKING NONE AT ALL.

Your fears are driving you nuts.

Perhaps you can ask Mommy, or whomever you now have to take Mommy's place, to comfort you with a big hug. Everything will be okay.

 

[Ross Dolan]

If only your position actually remained consistent. You are very quick to jump right back into the "unfettered immigration" nonsense.

I have never advocated for, or supported, unfettered immigration. I just am opposed to the heartless, savage, ignorant way the savage, ignorant, heartless Trump administration is dealing with the problem...and the stupid, ignorant, savage, heartless people who defend that monster in any way.

I thought I had made that clear, but obviously, when dealing with a MAGA moron, one should not over-estimate their intelligence. I will try to break it down as much as possible, but using just pictures as you seem to need is out of the question.
I'll deal with the rest of your screed separately Item 2 coming shortly.

 

[Ross Dolan]

I do, and I'm sure that you do too. That's my point. I am very selective about who I allow into my house, and I'm willing to bet that you are too. So, assuming that to be true, why are you so selective about it? Why is your house such an "exclusive" place that only certain people are allowed into (and most people are not)? Would you let some others into your house if you "properly vetted" them first?

Your "point" is at the top of your head.

You seem to be stuck on the idea that if I choose whom I will allow into my home, I must allow the Moron-in-Chief and his moronic minions to deal with immigration reform the way they choose.

That is illogical...which is what I said. It still is illogical. If you choose to support this disgusting abomination who is now our president and the disgusting, inhumane way they are dealing with the problem...fine with me. Stupidity has a place in a democracy...so do your best.

You said "to exclude immigrants from the US does not [make sense]". So maybe there's some "middle ground" to be had somewhere between "zero immigrants whatsoever" and "unfettered immigration"? Do you suppose that the same things that you do re: your house (e.g. erecting walls/doors, locking your doors, allowing different access levels for different people, generally allowing access only upon permission and only if certain rules are followed, etc) should also be done on a national level? (instead of what the Autopen Regime did, aka "unfettered alien invasion")

What I suppose...or what you suppose...is of little consequence here. I have never advocated or supported "unfettered immigration...but I continue to oppose the way this abominable administration is handling the problem as they see it...and to be honest, I consider the people who support the administration in what it is doing to be somewhat less than human.

Of COURSE I want to exclude certain people from coming into the USA, just as YOU want to exclude certain people from coming inside of your house.

I also want to exclude certain people from coming into the USA...and I am not sure why you are intimating that I do not. I just do not want to see the inhumane happenings being perpetrated by ICE from happening.

Can you finally get that? I have not said anything that suggest otherwise.

Perhaps you can get someone who knows how to read to explain it to you.

Exactly.

I'm just speaking common sense, or what SHOULD be common sense.

Now you're just flailing.

I am not flailing...and you are far from speaking "common sense." You just want to substitute what you want me to be saying....for what I am actually saying.

Bad habit. One you will probably not be able to drop.

Under one breath, you're whining about how "native Americans" (meaning various Indian tribes) are now "at the mercy of immigrants" (meaning English settlers), while under another breath, you're giddy about allowing "USA citizens" (meaning you and me) to be "at the mercy of immigrants" (meaning illegal aliens from various countries all over the world, mostly coming in via Mexico).

Okay, so now you are trying to set up an "insanity defense" for yourself.

Won't work. I think most of us realize that most MAGA morons are deranged, but you I am going to keep you talking and showing that something more disgusting is at work with you.

Hey, we will enjoy the give and take.

IOW, you see the history of what happens whenever too many foreigners occupy the same space of a different culture (and you've even seen it happen in Europe very recently), yet you wish to repeat those very same histories to the USA's (your own) detriment.

You must have a terrible time understanding why decent people so abhor ethnic cleansing.

Too bad that. You life will most likely be a misery because of that defect.

Wrong.

Yes you are. Very wrong.

What is now the USA first came into existence by English settlers, and has since been sustained by the future generations of those settlers (as well as other European settlers and their future generations).

Actually, it came into existence by English and Spanish settlers...and while sustained by future generation of those and other European settlers, has been much improved by the influence of other cultures, which the asshole morons of the MAGA movement so fear, that they are willing to rationalize the disgusting crap that has been going on for some time over in Minnesota.

It is my opinion that we sane, rational, intelligent people have to stop the morons from prevailing.

It doesn't.

It does. You live in fear of them.

Remember that hug I suggested you ask for.

 

[Margot]

Yeah, it’s call murder.

That's an issue?