"Reasonable suspision"
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They're stopped for a violation, when asked for their drivers license they respond with "Que", "EH", "Что", "Che cosa", "Τι", Was (Vas)", "Ce qui", "Wat", or any lanugage that might be recognized as an Amerian dialect and then are unable to provide a proper ID; they might be an illegal immigrant.
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1) they drive 10 miles UNDER the speed limit
2) they do not speak any English
3) they say 'take me to your leader'
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if they are hispanic
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I was going to say spelling but I assume that you are not an illegal immigrant.
WHy would not speaking English make you question someone's legal status? THat simply means they grew up in a non-English speaking family.
Plenty of Americans dont speak English.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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If you are talking about the Arizona law, there is a requirement which comes before any "reasonable suspicion" of illegal status comes into play. Do you know what that is? The requirement which must first be met before any law enforcement officer can proceed with any "reasonable suspicion" is very important. There must first be an obvious violation of the law which has occurred. The person in question has to have done something that is a violation of the law in the State of Arizona... do you comprehend this? It can be any number of things, there are lots of things that are a violation of the law, but that has to FIRST happen, before any law enforcement officer can begin to question legal status of an individual. Take a moment and re-read that point, because it is fundamentally important in understanding the Arizona law and what it says.
NOW.... AFTER a law has been broken, and an officer has made what is called a "legal contact" with the individual, they may request identification from them. This applies to every American, regardless of status, across the board. You or I are under the same guidelines, there is NO difference, no one is being singled out and requested something that others do not have to provide. If you or I do not have proper identification, the law enforcement officer CAN place you in custody, do fingerprints, and hold you until your fingerprints are verified by the FBI database, and they know who you are. This procedure is standard across the board, again, regardless of your status as a citizen.
If there is no record of you in the FBI database, and you have no identification, it could be reasonable to suspect you may be in the country illegally. You may not be, but it is still reasonable to suspect this. If you do not speak English, that would be yet another indicator, you may not be an American citizen, because most naturalized citizens do speak some English, they have to in order to pass the citizenship exam. So, if you have no ID, no fingerprints on file with the FBI, and you don't speak English, it is adequately reasonable to suspect you MAY be here illegally. Understand???
Driving under the speed limit indicates a reasonable suspision that they are in the nation illegally? There are plenty of other more likely possabilities.
What happened to innocent until proven gulity? So if an officer belives you voilated a law, he then has a right to strip you of your Constitutional rights?
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I see your cognitive abilities don't include the ability to read a complete post, once you find something to latch onto.
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WinterBorn
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They are innocent until proven guilty. But that does not mean that they cannot be detained or questioned if they are suspected of committing a crime.
Once they are detained or are being questioned, their status as an illegal immigrant can be checked.
cawacko
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Haha! I was going to say he conveniently left out the 'and don't have ID' from your post and that you said it 'might' make you an illegal immigrant.
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He's not doing anything, except taking all resonable measures to determine who you are and if you may be illegal.
What rights are you saying are being taken?
I dont have a problem with that, but there is more than that, the Arazona law does not require that they be suspected of having commited a crime.
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Who are you responding to??
YOU!
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Who said anything about stripping you of your Constitutional rights? Law enforcement officers have to use their judgment and determination of whether you broke the law, every fucking day, in every fucking instance! If they couldn't do that, we would have NO LAW in America! The officer is NOT required to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that you violated the law! If that were the case, no law enforcement officer could ever detain anyone for any reason, and we would simply live in a lawless nation. They only need to have reasonable suspicion or probable cause, a judge or jury is charged with determining your guilt or innocence. I thought you were a lawyer? You should know this already!