Judge blocks parts of Arizona immigration law

Yes, it does.

SB 1070 specifically contains language requiring law enforcement to determine the immigation status of anyone they encounter when they have "reasonable suspicion" that person may be illegal.

This constitutes unreasonable search and seizure and violates the equal protections guaranteed under the United States Constitution.

Why is it OK to single out Latinos for harassment (your word) because people who look Hispanic could be undocumented?
 
El Toro Bravo said:
Yes, it does.

SB 1070 specifically contains language requiring law enforcement to determine the immigation status of anyone they encounter when they have "reasonable suspicion" that person may be illegal.

This constitutes unreasonable search and seizure and violates the equal protections guaranteed under the United States Constitution.

Why is it OK to single out Latinos for harassment (your word) because people who look Hispanic could be undocumented?
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I had asked that you actually cite the specific portion of the law, not your interpretation of the law.

I am not an advocate or a fan of the law.
 
"FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED..."
 
El Toro Bravo said:
"FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED..."
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And you think that is racist?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
not speaking english comes to mind, first and foremost.
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Are you a supporter of J.T. Ready?

At least now, we won't have to worry about police running around asking brown people for their papers.

The judge has clearly stated that SB 1070 was a clear violation of the separation of powers.
 
WinterBorn said:
So the AZ law is requiring all hispanics to stop by the police station to be interrogated and fingerprinted?
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No but it would be requiring a US citizen to prove his citizenship status cause he/she looks hispanic. The law may not state so but that is the sum affect. I question the constitutionality of that.
 
El Toro Bravo said:
Are you a supporter of J.T. Ready?

At least now, we won't have to worry about police running around asking brown people for their papers.

The judge has clearly stated that SB 1070 was a clear violation of the separation of powers.
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This sort of bullshit makes it harder for every citizen who is the victim of REAL racism to get help.

This sort of bullshit is the reason no one listens where there is a problem of racism. They have heard people cry wolf one too many times.


"...police running around asking brown people for their papers" WTF? Is that what happened anywhere in AZ?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
No but it would be requiring a US citizen to prove his citizenship status cause he/she looks hispanic. The law may not state so but that is the sum affect. I question the constitutionality of that.
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What about the constitutionality of a federal government that refuses to protect it;s citizenry against invasion? i'd say the legitimacy of that government has failed, taking the constitution with it.
 
El Toro Bravo said:
What constitutes "reasonable suspicion" that person is an illegal alien?
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Mostly it would be behavior based, I would imagine. Not necessarily racial in nature.

But first, as the law clearly states, there would have to be "Lawful Contact". So its not just "police running around asking brown people for their papers".
 
WinterBorn said:
This sort of bullshit makes it harder for every citizen who is the victim of REAL racism to get help.

This sort of bullshit is the reason no one listens where there is a problem of racism. They have heard people cry wolf one too many times.


"...police running around asking brown people for their papers" WTF? Is that what happened anywhere in AZ?
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You're not being realistic here Winter. Do you really think that this law will equally target white people and challenge them to verify their citizenship status? If you do believe that then your belief that this law is not racist is understandable. Naive as hell but understandable.

Let me give you a what if scenario. My state borders Canada. What if we had large numbers of Canadians illegally immigrating here? Now suppose the State of Ohio passes a law similiar to AZ's and assume that white people are a minority in Ohio. Now how should I feel about being trageted and having to prove my citizenship status upon the demand of a police officer who has some poorly defined reasonable cause? Should I not feel singled out as a minority citizen? Should I not feel that is unfair? Should I not feel that is discriminatory and therefore racist?
 
WinterBorn said:
It IS an excellent question. But more to the point, does the law state anywhere in it that race is to be used as a basis for that reasonable suspicion?
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No it does not but neither did many of the poll taxes or literacy tests in the south during the Jim Crow era, do you deny the racism implicit in those laws?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
You're not being realistic here Winter. Do you really think that this law will equally target white people and challenge them to verify their citizenship status? If you do believe that then your belief that this law is not racist is understandable. Naive as hell but understandable.

Let me give you a what if scenario. My state borders Canada. What if we had large numbers of Canadians illegally immigrating here? Now suppose the State of Ohio passes a law similiar to AZ's and assume that white people are a minority in Ohio. Now how should I feel about being trageted and having to prove my citizenship status upon the demand of a police officer who has some poorly defined reasonable cause? Should I not feel singled out as a minority citizen? Should I not feel that is unfair? Should I not feel that is discriminatory and therefore racist?
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Your example shows the policemnan to be racist, but not the law itself.

I do not believe this law is racist. I believe its bullshit mainly because of it requiring US citizens to carry their "papers" to prove they are citizens.

It requires that someone prove they are innocent.
 
WinterBorn said:
Mostly it would be behavior based, I would imagine. Not necessarily racial in nature.

But first, as the law clearly states, there would have to be "Lawful Contact". So its not just "police running around asking brown people for their papers".
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You'd have to define those behaviors on some objective criteria to really answer his queston Winter.
 
WinterBorn said:
This sort of bullshit makes it harder for every citizen who is the victim of REAL racism to get help.

This sort of bullshit is the reason no one listens where there is a problem of racism. They have heard people cry wolf one too many times.


"...police running around asking brown people for their papers" WTF? Is that what happened anywhere in AZ?
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No one listens? Millions of people disagree with you.

Police profile Latinos every day. Just as they profile African-Americans. Racism is real.

A Hispanic is more than twice as likely to be stopped by police in Arizona according to the latest (2009) data available from Arizona Department of Public safety.

We will continue to cry 'Racism', not 'wolf' when racial profiling is used.
 
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