Victory for Conservative values

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Utah supreme court Tuesday overturned the conviction of jailed polygamist sect leader Warren Jeffs, ordering a fresh trial into charges that he was an accomplice to the rape of a teenage girl.

Jeffs, 54, was convicted in 2007 on two charges stemming out of the arranged marriage of a 14-year-old girl to her 19-year-old first cousin.
He had appealed against his conviction and sentence of two consecutive five-year jail terms, arguing legal procedures had not been followed.

"We conclude that there were serious errors in the instructions given to the jury that deprived Jeffs of the fair trial to which all are entitled under our laws," the Utah court ruled.

"We therefore reverse the convictions and remand for a new trial."
Jeffs is the leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, a breakaway sect of Mormonism that supports polygamy.

The court added in its ruling: "We must ensure that the laws are applied evenly and appropriately, in this case as in every case."

Jeffs was arrested in 2006 in Las Vegas, Nevada, after being on the FBI's ten most wanted list until his capture.

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How does an advocate of untraditional marriage reflect conservative values?

And yes, I understand you're just trolling to annoy Yurt, or whatever...
 
Threedee said:
How does an advocate of untraditional marriage reflect conservative values?

And yes, I understand you're just trolling to annoy Yurt, or whatever...
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kind of hard when he is on ignore....anyone who creates over half a dozen trolls about yurt deserves ignoring...perhaps some counseling for obsession as well
 
So who was the idiot that couldn't manage instructions to the freakin jury? How hard can it be?


And no, it is a conservative value to make sure everyone gets a fair trial. And there are no degrees of fairness. it is either fair or unfair.
 
WinterBorn said:
So who was the idiot that couldn't manage instructions to the freakin jury? How hard can it be?


And no, it is a conservative value to make sure everyone gets a fair trial. And there are no degrees of fairness. it is either fair or unfair.
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What about the Fairness Doctrine? :cof1:
 
Threedee said:
That's what I love about it, the sheer irony of the name. Lyndon Fucking Johnson, may he rot for being such a horrible person and miserable political hack and president.
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There is a special place in hell for LBJ. (I hope)
 
WinterBorn said:
There is a special place in hell for LBJ. (I hope)
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Really? I hope you're not the one 3D is learning revisionist history from? I thought he was learning it from Dixie. Granted LBJ destroyed his Presidency by lying to the American people about the nature and threat of Vietnam and entangling us in that war not to mention he was an over the top ham handed politician but........

Lyndon Johnson, a southerner, lead the passage of the Civil Rights and Voter Rights act. No one person did more to undo Jim Crow in the south and achieve Civil Rights for African Americans then LBJ did.

Then there was technology. You could make an argument that modern PC's were a development that came out of the space race and no one did more for advancing flight and space technology then LBJ did. Most of the technological developments and advancements that came out of the space program (and there are to many to count) we owe to LBJ.

Oh and let's not also forget that more people went from poverty to a middle class life style in this nation under his administration then at any time during our history.

So, I wouldn't listen to 3D if I was you. He'll tell you that LBJ was a world class horrible bastard for passing AA. I mean this is a guy who thinks Harding is a top 10 President.

LBJ was a flawed man who made a lot of mistakes and ruined his Presidency by lying about Vietnam......but he also did a hell of a lot of good things for this nation.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Really? I hope you're not the one 3D is learning revisionist history from? I thought he was learning it from Dixie. Granted LBJ destroyed his Presidency by lying to the American people about the nature and threat of Vietnam and entangling us in that war not to mention he was an over the top ham handed politician but........

Lyndon Johnson, a southerner, lead the passage of the Civil Rights and Voter Rights act. No one person did more to undo Jim Crow in the south and achieve Civil Rights for African Americans then LBJ did.

Then there was technology. You could make an argument that modern PC's were a development that came out of the space race and no one did more for advancing flight and space technology then LBJ did. Most of the technological developments and advancements that came out of the space program (and there are to many to count) we owe to LBJ.

Oh and let's not also forget that more people went from poverty to a middle class life style in this nation under his administration then at any time during our history.

So, I wouldn't listen to 3D if I was you. He'll tell you that LBJ was a world class horrible bastard for passing AA. I mean this is a guy who thinks Harding is a top 10 President.

LBJ was a flawed man who made a lot of mistakes and ruined his Presidency by lying about Vietnam......but he also did a hell of a lot of good things for this nation.
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He was a crook. Yes, he did some good things. But to try and say he was a good president is like saying "Ted Bundy was a nice guy, other than those women he murdered".

I get my history from a variety of sources, including having lived thru more than 5 decades of it.

58,000 americans died because of his bullshit. PCs and a healthy economy cannot erase that in my mind.
 
WinterBorn said:
He was a crook. Yes, he did some good things. But to try and say he was a good president is like saying "Ted Bundy was a nice guy, other than those women he murdered".

I get my history from a variety of sources, including having lived thru more than 5 decades of it.

58,000 americans died because of his bullshit. PCs and a healthy economy cannot erase that in my mind.
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I'm not really being an apologist for LBJ or really being critical of your post so much as it's hard for me to take 3D seriously on History given his revisionist inclinations. He tends to look at a single act or policy, out of context and through a bell jar, and then summarily judges an entire mans career and legacy based on some issue he doesn't understand but has a strong opinion about and then naively applies an out of context and partisan value judgment on the fellow with out an understanding of the full historical context of that person or their times and conditions. Grind's pwnge of him on his comments about Caesar is a great example of that.

I prefer to look at the whole person, warts and all. It tells a more accurate story.

But I do have to opine, what politician isn't a crook? But that's irrelevent.

I'm not saying LBJ was a great President. He certainly did destroy his Presidency with Vietnam, I certainly agree with you there and he's an arch bastard for that but his historic killing of Jim Crow and racial segregation in the south and his advocacy of our aerospace program and all of it's technology spin off and his commitment for improving the quality of life for all Americans are worthy of respect. The positive legacy of those policies live on to this day and have been far reaching in their scope to this nations benefit. You can't just blow that off.

I think one can argue even though LBJ destroyed his Presidency and legacy with Vietnam he was, for both good and bad, the most significant President of the last half of the 20th century. When one considers the impact Vietnam has had by being an indelible stain on the psyche of this nation combined with all his other positive accomplishments it's hard not to argue that he wasn't the most historically significant President of the last half of the 20th century. Don't get me wrong. That's not the same as saying he was a good President.

But you are right about Vietnam. If LBJ should burn in hell it is for that and since I lost a friend there, I'm not particularly inclined to forgive him for that either.
 
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Back to the OP, I am always surprised when people moan about some dirtbag getting off or being retried, when the fault is with the idiots who screwed up.
 
I'm curious, does anyone on these forums think procedural errors should be ignored?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Really? I hope you're not the one 3D is learning revisionist history from? I thought he was learning it from Dixie. Granted LBJ destroyed his Presidency by lying to the American people about the nature and threat of Vietnam and entangling us in that war not to mention he was an over the top ham handed politician but........

Lyndon Johnson, a southerner, lead the passage of the Civil Rights and Voter Rights act. No one person did more to undo Jim Crow in the south and achieve Civil Rights for African Americans then LBJ did.

Then there was technology. You could make an argument that modern PC's were a development that came out of the space race and no one did more for advancing flight and space technology then LBJ did. Most of the technological developments and advancements that came out of the space program (and there are to many to count) we owe to LBJ.

Oh and let's not also forget that more people went from poverty to a middle class life style in this nation under his administration then at any time during our history.

So, I wouldn't listen to 3D if I was you. He'll tell you that LBJ was a world class horrible bastard for passing AA. I mean this is a guy who thinks Harding is a top 10 President.

LBJ was a flawed man who made a lot of mistakes and ruined his Presidency by lying about Vietnam......but he also did a hell of a lot of good things for this nation.
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You're right, Moot. Free Fire Zones are the greatest innovation of the American Presidency. Greater than Washington forming the cabinet, Monroe announcing his famous Doctrine, and Lincoln discovering the full-extent of war powers.
 
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