aid and comfort

[Don Quixote]

wikileaks published a mixture of classified and low classification documents yesterday - some of which appear to compromise u s of a handling of fighting the taliban and al qaeda

does this leak rise to the level of providing aid and comfort to u s of a enemies

 

[Damocles]

As far as I understand it, the 'leaks' are all on declassified time-sensitive material and are old news, not reflecting the current circumstances. I have to wait a bit before I can read the 'leaks' and see what damaging information may be in them. It's not quite like CNN showing where missiles are landing or something that give direct aid.

 

[charver]

The Times was claiming this morning that the documents contained the names and locations of Afghans who provided intelligence to US forces, despite claims by WikiLeaks that they'd removed all such references.

I can't link to it because Rupert Murdoch has decided to make The Times website pay-per-view, the nationality swapping piss weasel.

 

[Cypress]

wikileaks published a mixture of classified and low classification documents yesterday - some of which appear to compromise u s of a handling of fighting the taliban and al qaeda

does this leak rise to the level of providing aid and comfort to u s of a enemies

as a general rule of thumb, I don't think these kind of leaks have any additional long term effect on our war mongering efforts.

Whatever war crimes, murder, and torture is buried in those reports, trust me the taliban and afghanis were already hip to it. They're neck deep in this war, and they know first hand what is going on. They're already pissed off about shit that they either already know first hand is going on, or where there is already a widespread perception of shit that's going down. When some afghan gets tortured, or some wedding party bombed, that crap ain't exactly kept a well-guarded secret in afghan society. People find out about it.

The only people who might be clued in to what the f is going on over there through these leaks, is the clueless american public. The media has ignored this war for 8 years, and I doubt any message board dupe or american citizen is hip to the crap that's going on there.

So I'm down with the Daniel Ellesberg school of thought. Government leaks don't hurt anyone, except the architects of the failed policies that are already in place.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

So I'm down with the Daniel Ellesberg school of thought. Government leaks don't hurt anyone, except the architects of the failed policies that are already in place.

This.

 

[Damocles]

as a general rule of thumb, I don't think these kind of leaks have any additional long term effect on our war mongering efforts.

Whatever war crimes, murder, and torture is buried in those reports, trust me the taliban and afghanis were already hip to it. They're neck deep in this war, and they know first hand what is going on. They're already pissed off about shit that they either already know first hand is going on, or where there is already a widespread perception of shit that's going down. When some afghan gets tortured, or some wedding party bombed, that crap ain't exactly kept a well-guarded secret in afghan society. People find out about it.

The only people who might be clued in to what the f is going on over there through these leaks, is the clueless american public. The media has ignored this war for 8 years, and I doubt any message board dupe or american citizen is hip to the crap that's going on there.

So I'm down with the Daniel Ellesberg school of thought. Government leaks don't hurt anyone, except the architects of the failed policies that are already in place.

So the Afghanis who helped the US are unimportant and should lose their lives because it's all good in the World According To Cypress because somebody had "failed" policy?

Thanks for your input.

 

[Socrtease]

What the leaded docs did show was that there were several communications that showed that the Pakistani intelligence is providing aid and comfort to our enemies by giving them intel on troop locations and such. But we have been told now by at least 4 administrations that the Pakistani's are our allies. It's bullshit, just like the Saudi's are not our fucking allies and yet we keep giving them millions upon millions so they can get better knives to turn in our backs.

 

[Cypress]

So the Afghanis who helped the US are unimportant and should lose their lives because it's all good in the World According To Cypress because somebody had "failed" policy?

Thanks for your input.

I'm trying to decide whether I actually wrote this....or if you just pulled it straight out of your @ss.

I think I have to go with the second option.

 

[Cypress]

What the leaded docs did show was that there were several communications that showed that the Pakistani intelligence is providing aid and comfort to our enemies by giving them intel on troop locations and such. But we have been told now by at least 4 administrations that the Pakistani's are our allies. It's bullshit, just like the Saudi's are not our fucking allies and yet we keep giving them millions upon millions so they can get better knives to turn in our backs.

I think most informed people knew that the Pakis aren't our allies. We have a faustian bargain with them, that has nothing to do with democracy or human rights.

Also, I think I can guarantee you that the corrupt Karzai government is not our ally. They'll use us to their own ends, as long as it suits them.


The end game ultimately is some sort of political reconcillation with the taliban, and the other factions. I don't think the US is in a position to facilitate that or make it happen. Occupiers have never had any street cred in afghanistan.

 

[Damocles]

So the Afghanis who helped the US are unimportant and should lose their lives because it's all good in the World According To Cypress because somebody had "failed" policy?

Thanks for your input.

I'm trying to decide whether I actually wrote this....or if you just pulled it straight out of your @ss.

I think I have to go with the second option.

Cypress, here is your direct quote:

"So I'm down with the Daniel Ellesberg school of thought. Government leaks don't hurt anyone, except the architects of the failed policies that are already in place."

 

[Don Quixote]

As far as I understand it, the 'leaks' are all on declassified time-sensitive material and are old news, not reflecting the current circumstances. I have to wait a bit before I can read the 'leaks' and see what damaging information may be in them. It's not quite like CNN showing where missiles are landing or something that give direct aid.

the large number of documents will require some time to review

however, i do not think that the 'time sensitive' nature is true as the material reaches into 2009

i suppose that 'it depends' is the answer for now