I agreed with Michelle Bachmann!

really you better watch prop 19 in cali cause over 50% support legalization.

Also you should die for that comment. LOL


And what's up with ya'll wanting to tax rape those making over a buck 50?:321:

if you want to go by individual states... then CO ALREADY has the flat tax as does MI, IL, IN, MA, PA, and UT.

Side note... what are you talking about? Under the plan I laid out, everyone would pay the same on income up until $1mm. THEN there would be an added 10% to pay down the debt.
 
That's why the FAIR tax is a better idea, in my opinion. It completely eliminates any taxation of INCOME and only taxes consumption. I know the anti-capitalists will have a problem with this, but think about the amount of industry and business will be attracted to America, where there would be no "corporate tax" to pay? We'd have jobs coming out our ass in about a month!

The Fair tax IS extremely regressive. It also would be subject to the same kind of bullshit 'lobbying' that we see with our current system. It would not work.
 
The Fair tax IS extremely regressive. It also would be subject to the same kind of bullshit 'lobbying' that we see with our current system. It would not work.

Nope, it's not "regressive" at all, it is just as the name implies... FAIR! There would be no lobbying, nothing to lobby for, unless you're going to lobby for more consumption!

I think you haven't really studied up on this, and don't have a clue of what you're talking about here.

Here, go educate yourself, and come back when you can articulate what part you don't think will work:

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_faq
 
Just to answer your misinformed understanding about the Fair Tax being "regressive:"

Under the FairTax Plan, poor people pay no net FairTax at all up to the poverty level! Every household receives a rebate that is equal to the FairTax paid on essential goods and services, and wage earners are no longer subject to the most regressive and burdensome tax of all, the payroll tax. Those spending at twice the poverty level pay a tax of only 11.5 percent -- a rate much lower than the income and payroll tax burden they bear today.

Under the federal income tax, slow economic growth and recessions have a disproportionately adverse impact on lower-income families. Breadwinners in these families are more likely to lose their jobs, are less likely to have the resources to weather bad economic times, and are more in need of the initial employment opportunities that a dynamic, growing economy provides. Retaining the present tax system makes economic progress needlessly slow, thus harming low-income people the most.

In contrast, the FairTax dramatically improves economic growth and wage rates for all, but especially for lower-income families and individuals. In addition to receiving the monthly FairTax prebate, these taxpayers are freed from regressive payroll taxes, the federal income tax, and the compliance burdens associated with each. They pay no more business taxes hidden in the price of goods and services, and used goods are tax free.
 
Had to share. She was on with Anderson Cooper; I just caught the end. I saw that she was on, and my instant thought was "oh boy; here's a nutter. I wonder what kind of nutter thing she is going to say." And that wasn't just a knee-jerk, because she is a nutter, and she generally says nutter things.

But she was talking about taxes, and darned if she wasn't right. We really are taxed way too much; and this isn't Obama's fault, or any current politician's. We just always have been. What some don't realize is that it takes awhile, for most people, and a lot of work, to get to a point where they are earning what could be called a "decent" or "comfortable" living.

But when they get to that point, the paycheck they get - that first week, when they have passed the imaginary threshold that they always held in their mind - is a shocker. When you get to a certain point, your net is half your gross, basically. It's ridiculous.

So, she was right. We're taxed way too much. It's a bummer, because most Democrats don't talk about lowering taxes, and most Republicans ONLY talk about taxes, so they miss out on the other issues. And they basically give it lip service, because even with Bush's "big" tax cuts, most over $50K in income were still paying way too much.

I don't know what the answer is, because I think the right is bananas, and don't trust them with our gov't. I was very encouraged when Clinton talked about a smaller, smarter gov't, and Gore did the whole "reinventing gov't" project. I had political ideals I agreed with, that seemed to "get it" as far as the tax question was concerned; or at least, it was headed in the right direction.

That was lost very quickly; now, no one seems to get the whole picture. It's reduced to the extremes.

i think we are all mostly myopic. we are so stuck in an us vs. them mentality. the left hates too large corporate power, the right hates too large government power....mean time, we all get fucked by the both of them

we the people need to come together.
 
most people agree with most of the tea party's beef's.

Adopt pot decrim at least, and rounounce racism firmly and this mutha fucker takes off.

You have a very good point!

They exclude a lot of voters with their harsh legislation.
 
Flat tax is too regressive, the disparity in wealth is so great that the wealthy can't possible spend proportional to the wealth they take from the system, at least, not at the retail level(wink wink, shmucks pay retail).

on edit: oh, so you didn't SAY consumtion tax. well f off, you meant that.

You're saying, "keep the income tax"? That's your solution. Right?
 
You have a very good point!

They exclude a lot of voters with their harsh legislation.

LMFAO @ Topspin makes a good point! ...........WHEN? The only point he ever makes is on the top of his empty PINHEAD!

Adopt a Pot Legalization initiative, and the TEA Party becomes the Libertarian Party!

DUMBASSES!!
 
FLAT TAX. We need to get the TEA party on the flat tax bandwagon, get someone really smart and lucid to explain it to the american people and the idea will take off. There will be no more government taking too much out in taxes, there will be no need for mad rushes to file by midnight. Don't tax the first 30 or 35K then 17% after that. It is the fairest way to tax people. We would reduce the cost of doing business by all the IRS employees we wouldn't need.

No income tax. Get rid of it.
 
LMFAO @ Topspin makes a good point! ...........WHEN? The only point he ever makes is on the top of his empty PINHEAD!

Adopt a Pot Legalization initiative, and the TEA Party becomes the Libertarian Party!

DUMBASSES!!

Keep prohibition, and watch more children die in the streets. I here the cartels are cutting off the heads of children at this time, but I'm suposed to except the failed logic that you promote.

How many people that would victimize you and your loved ones should we give an early release to, in order to put in jail none violent tax payers enjoying their God given rights? Your answer is to take more of my money to make more gov't. It never ends, or decreases.

Socialists are responsible for prohibition. Not free minded capitalists.
 
Keep prohibition, and watch more children die in the streets. I here the cartels are cutting off the heads of children at this time, but I'm suposed to except the failed logic that you promote.

How many people that would victimize you and your loved ones should we give an early release to, in order to put in jail none violent tax payers enjoying their God given rights? Your answer is to take more of my money to make more gov't. It never ends, or decreases.

Socialists are responsible for prohibition. Not free minded capitalists.

Save your sob stories and emotive libertarian bleats...

Uhm... This is not about what I would personally like to see the law be in America! Can you possibly let that sink into your thick ideological head for a moment? I realize that you personally, have a specific ideological world view, and wish to impose that view on the rest of us, whether we agree with you or not... but I am not like you are!

I realize we live in a society with MANY viewpoints, and the overwhelming majority of them, do not want to see Pot made into a legalized product to be sold alongside cigarettes. Sorry, I wish it wasn't that way, I wish everyone wanted to get stoned and enjoy the herb, but they don't in this society. Regardless of what you and I might prefer, we have to consider the views and opinions of our fellow Americans, we can't impose our will on them. You are not going to see a major political candidate advocate legalization of pot.... just ain't gonna happen, no matter how much you wish and dream! So, why relegate yourself to beating your head against a brick wall with that issue? It makes no sense, you can't ever have what you want, so deal with that!

I think it is a lot more plausible and realistic that you could see a 'relaxation' of the law, to maybe 'decriminalize' pot possession... in the name of combating prison overcrowding, etc... that IS possible, maybe.... but full blown legalization is something maybe 15% of America is in support of at the moment (if that), and it just doesn't stand a chance. It's not about what I think of that or you think of that, it's about what is REALITY in the world in which we live.
 
You pay for it!

Pay for it? What are you talking about? I am talking about something to replace the current IRS and Tax Code on Income in America. We have to pay for certain things the government does... regardless of how much cutting and gutting you'd like to see, we will still have an expense of running a government, unless of course, you want to completely disband the U.S. Federal Government, in which case, you are more of an insane radical than I ever imagined.

The Fair Tax would replace the current Income Tax, and would be completely "consumer" based. If you will click on the link and read up on it, you might actually find you like the idea.... instead of just popping off some stupid retort because you think it makes you look cool!
 
Save your sob stories and emotive libertarian bleats...

Uhm... This is not about what I would personally like to see the law be in America! Can you possibly let that sink into your thick ideological head for a moment? I realize that you personally, have a specific ideological world view, and wish to impose that view on the rest of us, whether we agree with you or not... but I am not like you are!

I realize we live in a society with MANY viewpoints, and the overwhelming majority of them, do not want to see Pot made into a legalized product to be sold alongside cigarettes. Sorry, I wish it wasn't that way, I wish everyone wanted to get stoned and enjoy the herb, but they don't in this society. Regardless of what you and I might prefer, we have to consider the views and opinions of our fellow Americans, we can't impose our will on them. You are not going to see a major political candidate advocate legalization of pot.... just ain't gonna happen, no matter how much you wish and dream! So, why relegate yourself to beating your head against a brick wall with that issue? It makes no sense, you can't ever have what you want, so deal with that!

I think it is a lot more plausible and realistic that you could see a 'relaxation' of the law, to maybe 'decriminalize' pot possession... in the name of combating prison overcrowding, etc... that IS possible, maybe.... but full blown legalization is something maybe 15% of America is in support of at the moment (if that), and it just doesn't stand a chance. It's not about what I think of that or you think of that, it's about what is REALITY in the world in which we live.

First off, you've already imposed yours on me.

Second, I don't have the world view, people with your mind set already have the world view.

Thirdly, My argument is for the right of my property. Not reasons to except a socialist authority.
 
Then 85% of Americans are retarded proles.

Nevertheless... We have what we have!

I don't know what the true numbers are, it doesn't matter. A majority of people don't want Pot legalized, and they have a right to that opinion, just as you have a right to yours!

I have argued against legalization on the grounds that smoke ingestion into your lungs is damaging to the lung tissues, and subsequently, your respiratory health. Why would you make a legal product out of something you KNOW is harmful to your health? It makes no sense whatsoever... People are already addicted to tobacco, it has been a legal product since before we "knew" it to be harmful to your health, and we are somewhat stuck with that now... what sense does it make to repeat the error of the past, KNOWING it will cause health problems? KNOWING people will abuse it? KNOWING it will result in people becoming dysfunctional and unproductive potheads? It's about the stupidest idea ever, if we legalized it and started taxing it like tobacco. That's my opinion, and I am an occasional pot smoker!

I realize you idiots like the weed, and wish it were legal so you could smoke the shit out of it without risking criminal arrest... and I can sympathize with that! I FEEL YOUR PAIN! ....But the answer is "Decriminalization" not legalizing it. Relax the laws on possession, and stop filling the jails up with people who are guilty of possessing a WEED!
 
Pay for it? What are you talking about? I am talking about something to replace the current IRS and Tax Code on Income in America. We have to pay for certain things the government does... regardless of how much cutting and gutting you'd like to see, we will still have an expense of running a government, unless of course, you want to completely disband the U.S. Federal Government, in which case, you are more of an insane radical than I ever imagined.

The Fair Tax would replace the current Income Tax, and would be completely "consumer" based. If you will click on the link and read up on it, you might actually find you like the idea.... instead of just popping off some stupid retort because you think it makes you look cool!

Just about anything is better than the income tax.
 
First off, you've already imposed yours on me.

Second, I don't have the world view, people with your mind set already have the world view.

Thirdly, My argument is for the right of my property. Not reasons to except a socialist authority.

I have NOT imposed my will on you in any way! I can't impose my will on you, it is inherently impossible for that to happen! Unless you are claiming SOCIETY has imposed its will on you, and I am part of that by extension. You seem to want to blame ME for the law, and I had nothing to do with the law! I merely pointed out what the law was, and why it was that way... don't shoot me, I am only the messenger!

You do have a "world view" because everyone does. Perhaps you don't comprehend what that means? In short, it's how you view the world, and how you think the world should be. Seems to me, you have a very firm opinion on that, by your posts.

And finally, you have the right to your property, but you don't have the right to possess an illegal narcotic, just as you don't have the right to own a slave, or any number of other things you can't own... nuclear bombs... harems... national parks... There is no "socialist authority" dictating this to you, it is LAWS established by The People... you know, those other individuals out there who don't happen to agree with YOUR world view!
 
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