apple0154
MEOW
It doesn't matter because they are not human beings. We don't talk out of one side our mouth and then defend exceptions that directly conflict with the basis of our position as the pro-life hypocrites do.
The Kids are Doing Alright: The Culture War is Over
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It doesn't matter because they are not human beings. We don't talk out of one side our mouth and then defend exceptions that directly conflict with the basis of our position as the pro-life hypocrites do.
Apple is such a giving and understanding man. He would have supported his mother 100% if she decided to suck his brains from his lil' wee bairn skull.
In fact she did and what is left you're dealing with.
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Sammy Jankis
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Wrong. you deny life where it obviously exist just so things are "consistent".
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of a small mind. It's more of these lib ANTI-THOUGHT ZERO TOLERANCE POLICIES, like arresting students at school for nail clippers or aspirin. You people are nazi fools.
I disagree. The hippie's did not turn out to be ridiculously socially conservative nor did their generation. I think you guys underestimate some of the changes that have happened during recent times and are instead focusing on elections.
The "hippie" stereotype was built largely on those who were active at a young age. They were extremely influential and remained so (these were also largely kids in college) but they really were not all that typical. My mother and all her siblings (10) were never hippies. They did not go to college. They were, mostly, socially conservative.
The social conservatives among the boomers did not have any success politically (not elections, issue advocacy). Many of them had no desire to actually move backwards on civil rights issues. That is, they did not want to strip women of their new found rights though they may have resisted giving anything more.
But their social/family life was violently different than that of their parents. Whatever they thought about politics in the social sphere they lived a life that rejected it. They practically invented divorce and they suffered some of the trauma from it, as the legal system had not adapted (custodial rights, child support, etc.) to the new reality. They created the need and helped to carve the changes.
The changes in family life have affected us in ways more important than probably anything that has come before. There will always be racial/ethnic minorities and unrest. First it was Italians/Irish, then Asians, now Mexicans. And of course, there are black vs white issues.
But the male-female dynamic cuts across race and generations. It is fundamentally different because it's not just bitching about some external immigrant family or the black family. It's everybody's family.
And there are a ton of minor cuts to what was left of social conservative dogma that you seem to overlook.
I can remember when it was quite common for social conservatives to question what a woman was wearing when she was raped. Hell, it did not even create the horror in me that it now does, it was so common. Nowadays, you might hear some retard like nAHZi (maybe sm) argue that, but most social conservatives would not touch that with a ten foot poll.
They have to run away from all of their positions eventually. It is like their ideas are finished goods with a short shelf life. They are put out for display, they rot and become toxic. They scramble to clean up, then try to pretend it never happened by slapping on new labels. Some product lines have to be completely abandoned.
I mentioned Murphy Brown, and like I said it seems silly, but it really was not. Since then TV and other forms of media have changed dramatically. We see all kinds of families. No longer is dad some superhero and mom the image of motherhood. Now dad is a dope and mom is stressed out. Even the number of family sitcoms have declined, as quite a bit of the humor in those shows had to do with the male-female struggles, which is just boring now.
Kids shows are wildly different, than what I grew up with. And it is not just typical change, because I grew up with the same shows my parents did. Three Stooges, The Little Rascals, Looney Tunes, old sitcoms and fairy tales that were told to our great great great grandparents brought to life by Disney. It was as if they thought.... kids programming, well we made some of that shit back in the 40s, let's put that on. Nowadays, the hot kids show changes pretty quickly. And they all teach tolerance and not to be mean to someone just because they are different. It's important, which is why it pisses the social conservatives off so much.
Now TV has probably lost some influence, but it is still a big way we learn about the world and will continue to be.
Also, look at the changing issues. Abortion use to be the primary prod for the social conservatives. It still works them up, but their politicians already know it is toxic. Soon the rest will.
The politicians switched to homosexual bashing and that prod is quickly losing power. What else do they have?
Immigration? Well, that's always been an issue and I really don't see it ever going away. Further, it's not really the same type of social conservatism, and moves back to something that is more external to the social conservative's OWN family. Well, until the immigrants start marrying in, which is how that always comes to rest. Even some old fart who has been taught to hate his whole life will melt when he holds his grandchild of mixed heritage. I have seen it happen in my extended family.
It's also part of the reason they are losing on homosexuality. Every day some grandchild is coming out of the closet, emboldened to do so as society has shown more tolerance to them, and converts a homophobe. It's more powerful than any words you can speak to them. It fucking ruins their world (which might cause estrangement for a short period) and eventually changes it forever.
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Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
Im sorry, stringfield. If you're dressing like a whore in a biker bar in a bad neighborhood, it's not that you 'deserve to be raped', but you should examine your behavior going forward, just for you're own good.
Sometimes it's prudent to anticipate the criminality of others. Like in defensive driving. You should anticipate the mistakes of others.
Sometimes it's prudent to anticipate the criminality of others. Like in defensive driving. You should anticipate the mistakes of others.
Jesus Christ, you are such a fucking asshole. How about I spit some of your venom back at you and tell you about how your family is abnormal. No, I will leave that for your fellow assholes.
Take it or not, I respect what you did. You gave some child a home who had no choice in whether his family was going to be normal, but still needed a home.
So, you allow "murder" for political purposes? It's a non responsive answer that gives you comfort in evading the realities of your position. Should rape victims be forced to carry to term? I am not asking for what you think is politically doable, I am asking what would you do.
You guys want all the details and bring up every thing under the sun when you attack. I have given an answer (maybe not one you like, but a straight answer) to everyone you bring up. You then try to wiggle away from the counter attacks which expose the realities of what your policy would mean in action.
What? So fertilized eggs from couple one would be implanted in another woman?
apple0154
MEOW
apple0154
MEOW
How quick we forget. Who started the almost-strip-search before boarding a plane?
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
As if we have not seen those images or they have not been paraded like you are waving the bloody flag? Why is it okay for ONLY you to ingore the realities, peckerhead? Your position has atrocious results and you ignore them.
That's not being done by most of the pro-lifers. Most of us, including the doctors who perform the abortions, acknowledge that abortion is wrong past a certain point in pregnancy.
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apple0154
MEOW
Was it me?
It wasn't the liberals.
Another strawman. Of course, I don't support state subsidization of their efforts any more or less then I would for heteros.
Your entire argument is unraveling. You claim that marriage is about the kids, except if they are the kids of homosexuals. Plenty of people are coming to marriage today with kids in tow, either from a previous marriage or born out of wedlock. Those kids will benefit from the marriage, so long as it is peaceful.
It's stupid and irrelevant to focus on whether two women can have kids together. It has no relevance to marriage and it's stabilization of the family or the state's interest in that whatsoever.
What are you talking about? Just another stupid joke, I guess, that I should not take seriously. Please, make a clear point or stfu.
There was no nerve hit. I stated facts about marriage and how it has changed and I made no claims about rape of the wife.
You don't. You are just a fucking pervert, as was noted by apple, and a collossal asshole. Quit obsessing about other people's sex lives already.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
Stringfield = covered in group jizz fest.
stringfield = stupid libertarian shiteater who is always wrong.
stringfield = stupid libertarian shiteater who is always wrong.
USFREEDOM911
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You keep repeating certain catch phrases, in what appears to be an attempt to either convince others or yourself.
Let's take one of those pharases and look at it.
"It means demanding bringing a child into the world knowing it will endure extreme suffering until it's little body exhausts itself and dies."
Please tell what you're using that shows that all aborted babies would have fit that criteria.
The real image is me fighting off the various attacks and going on the offensive which sets your flock of dogs into retreat, leaving your dumb ass behind to claim victory.
And yet, libertarian arguments keeps on winning, at least, in this sphere.
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What does it matter? Please tell us what you are using that shows that pba's describe all abortions? Again, why is it okay fro you ignore the realities?
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Sorry; but that wasn't a response to the question.
As if you answered apples question? You have to be joking.