The Kids are Doing Alright: The Culture War is Over

I don't reject any science. I reject the ethics you guys are attaching to your argument.
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of course you do....science tells us there is no difference between a child the moment after the umbilical cord is cut and the moment before, yet you attribute rights to one that you deny to the other......
 
No, I think we should not force children into the world when we know they will not be looked after. Why do you have such a sadistic approach?

false dilemna and inaccurate characterization......your argument is illegitimate.....why did you bring it into a thread where it will not be looked after?...........
 
Intestinal worms are organism. they cannot exist independently. Now you're just making up stuff. New faux distinctions. Congratulations, you have no credibility.:good4u:

Of course they can. If the person whom they are inside of stops breathing and dies the worms do not immediately die because......can you guess the answer?
 
She provides nutrients and oxygens through the blood. But she does not DIRECT the process of growth, as a builder would with a stack of lumber.

Why do you keep putting your entire reputation on these bad analogies and shite-minded metaphors, stupid dick?

The process of growth is dependent on messages her body sends to the developing life. The fertilized egg would not be able to find its way without them. It would never attach to the uterine wall without them. It may attach to something else if they are distorted.

The analogy is not perfect nor does it address all issues out of context. They never are. But it is your willful dropping of context (I screwed it up myself) that allows you to find error. Raw lumber can become a house with effort of someone and the blueprints. It's useful in describing the stage. It does not answer all the questions.
 
/yawn....as if it mattered to the other 94% of aborted unborn children....why are you afraid to address the problem head on and instead pretend as if the 6% justifies the 100%?........

It's not the point of 6% justifying the other 94%. When it comes to the "right to life" argument just one exception disqualifies it. Either every zygote/fetus is a human being and entitled to life or their argument is hypocritical. That's the point. And that's the problem with their argument.

Logic, common sense and reality disqualifies their argument and there's nothing more absurd than the "right to life's" argument that's it's OK to kill an innocent human being so a defective one may live which is the case when the mother's life/health is in jeopardy.

A little less human. A little less important. History tells us we've been down that road before.
 
So what. an intestinal worm cannot exist outside a host. It's still an organism.

I did not argue otherwise. Once again, you will find no SCIENTIFIC definition of life that covers all the bases. That is why different fields have different definitions. Here, we are truly concerned with the legal and medical contexts. It's not an evil Jew conspiracy, it's not a conspiracy against the religious, it is a product of the messy realities of the world.

If we could get you idiots to stfu about your mental shortcuts that allow you to find comforting answers that still don't answer all the details, we might find a workable solution that incorporates all the concerns.

Few people are ignoring the rights of the developing life. It does not start, not even at birth, with all the rights of an adult because it lacks the full capacity of an adult. It gains capacity throughout and at some point (again, I would argue before birth) it achieves the right to life. Not at fertilization though. The religious answer this way because they believe God has given it a soul at that point or they claim to believe that while ignoring all the lost souls of the spontaneously aborted.

The rights of the developing life must be balanced against the rights of the mother, which the life begins at fertilization crowd ignore.
 
She provides nutrients and oxygens through the blood. But she does not DIRECT the process of growth, as a builder would with a stack of lumber.

Why do you keep putting your entire reputation on these bad analogies and shite-minded metaphors, stupid dick?

Of course she directs the process of growth. The doctor will tell her to eat certain foods or take certain supplements that are directly responsible for the process of growth.

That's why women planning to become pregnant are advised to take folic acid.
(Excerpt) One of the most important things you can do to help prevent serious birth defects in your baby is to get enough folic acid every day — especially before conception and during early pregnancy. (End)
http://kidshealth.org/parent/pregnancy_newborn/pregnancy/folic_acid.html

The home builder is advised to place wood siding on the building in a certain manner so water runs off rather than collects and rots the wood.

Seems like a reasonable analogy to me.
 
Of course she directs the process of growth. The doctor will tell her to eat certain foods or take certain supplements that are directly responsible for the process of growth.

That's why women planning to become pregnant are advised to take folic acid.
(Excerpt) One of the most important things you can do to help prevent serious birth defects in your baby is to get enough folic acid every day — especially before conception and during early pregnancy. (End)
http://kidshealth.org/parent/pregnancy_newborn/pregnancy/folic_acid.html

The home builder is advised to place wood siding on the building in a certain manner so water runs off rather than collects and rots the wood.

Seems like a reasonable analogy to me.

I said she's providing nutrients and such. That's like providing a raw material, not directing the process. The process is directed by dna.

The analogy still fails, and now its taking you down with it, as well as stringfield the human dick.
 
*The process of growth is dependent on messages her body sends to the developing life. The fertilized egg would not be able to find its way without them. It would never attach to the uterine wall without them. It may attach to something else if they are distorted.

The analogy is not perfect nor does it address all issues out of context. They never are. But it is your willful dropping of context (I screwed it up myself) that allows you to find error. Raw lumber can become a house with effort of someone and the blueprints. It's useful in describing the stage. It does not answer all the questions.


*This is really really funny~~~Please reference the science that supports this ridiculous claim!

Your stupid lumber anaolgy fails from start to end. The zygote already has all the blueprints as well as the self directed energy which unhampered will build its self...period.

The Placenta—an Unappreciated Organ
Of all the body’s organs, perhaps the one that best exemplifies selfless service is the placenta. Most people give little thought to the placenta, and few appreciate the marvelous complexity and profound importance of this organ that is discarded and forgotten after birth.

After the egg is fertilized, the placenta is the very first organ to develop. Recent studies show that when the fertilized egg divides to form the first two cells, one is already destined to form the placenta, while the other becomes the baby.

An Important Hormone-Producing Gland
As soon as three days after fertilization—weeks before the mother normally suspects she is pregnant—cells of the developing placenta, called trophoblasts, begin to produce hormones. These hormones ensure that the lining of the uterus—the endometrium—will be ready to receive the embryo’s implantation. Over the next few weeks, the developing placenta begins to make hormones that control the mother’s physiology in a way that ensures the proper supply of nutrients and oxygen, which are essential to the baby’s growth.

By about five days after fertilization the trophoblast cells, surrounding the developing embryo, begin to fuse together to form one giant cell with many nuclei (see Figure 1). This cell is called the syncytial trophoblast. One of the first functions of this placental giant cell is to invade the uterine wall of the mother in an amazing process called implantation (see Figure 2).

Prevents the Rejection of the Baby as a Foreign Graft
Although the developing placenta and baby implant within the thick nutrient-filled wall of the mother’s uterus, they are not actually part of the mother’s body. One of the placenta’s important roles is to protect the developing baby from an attack by the mother’s immune system, since the baby and the placenta are genetically unique and distinctly different from the mother.

It is still a mystery how the placenta prevents the mother from rejecting it and the baby as a foreign graft without shutting down her immune system.

After implantation, the placental giant cell “invades” the walls of several uterine arteries and veins, causing the mother’s blood to flow through channels within the cell (see Figure 3). When the baby develops its own blood and blood vessels, the mother’s blood and the blood of the developing baby come into close association, but they never mix or come into direct contact. The syncytial trophoblast forms a thin, seamless, and selective barrier between maternal blood and fetal blood. All the critically important nutrients, gases, hormones, electrolytes, and antibodies that pass from mother’s blood to the baby’s blood must travel across this seamless and selective filter. Waste products in the baby’s blood must, in turn, pass across this filter to the mother’s blood.

The Placenta Does It All!
In order to appreciate the marvelous work of the placenta, consider this: while the unborn baby’s vital organs are developing and maturing, they (with the exception of the heart) are essentially useless. The placenta serves the functions of these organs by working in association with the mother. With the help of the mother’s blood, the placenta must function as the baby’s lungs, kidneys, digestive system, liver, and immune system. The placenta does this so well that a baby can actually survive until birth even when one or more of these vital organs sadly fail to develop in its own body.

During the later part of pregnancy, the flow of maternal blood through the placenta reaches a rate of about one pint (.5 liter) per minute. To allow an adequate surface area for exchange between mother’s blood and baby’s blood, the interface between the two is folded and amplified in a complex way that resembles the trunks, branches, and twigs of trees (see Figure 4). There are typically about 20 of these tree-like structures (called cotyledons) in the mature placenta. The baby’s blood flows in vessels inside these cotyledons, whereas the mother’s blood flows all around the outside, like air blowing through a small grove of trees. The entire surface of all the tree-like cotyledons is covered by syncytial trophoblast, forming a seamless covering, which comprises a single cell with millions of nuclei (see Figure 5). This means that the entire surface of the placenta is covered by one giant cell, which has a surface area of over 100 square feet (9.3 square meters).

The Zygote:

This single cell is now either male or female. This human is unique, i.e., never before in the history of the world has this exact individual human existed. Never again in history will another exactly like this human exist.

This being is complete, i.e., nothing else — no bits or pieces — will be added from this time until the old man or woman dies — nothing but nutrition and oxygen. This being is programmed from within, moving for-ward in a self-controlled, ongoing process of growth, development, and replacement of his or her own dying cells.
 
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of course you do....science tells us there is no difference between a child the moment after the umbilical cord is cut and the moment before, yet you attribute rights to one that you deny to the other......

No difference, huh? The moment the first breath is taken direction of blood flow starts to change. Certain veins atrophy and become cords which hold organs in place.

Ask your doctor what would happen if certain veins decided to atrophy when you were, say, 10 years old. Or 30 years old. Or if the direction of blood flow changed. Ask your doctor if that would be of any concern/importance.

For the love of all that's good and decent....LEARN!

Going from a liquid environment to a gaseous one is no big deal???

Maybe it's time for that shower you spoke about earlier. Better yet, try filling the bath tub and submerging your head. Let us know what you experience.
 
Stringfield. Male and Female is key if you're talking about unassisted reproduction.

Why do you believe in a "dark ages" notion of blurring how babies are made?

How is that relevant and HOW am I blurring it? Is a child conceived through "unnatural" processes not a child? Does it not deserve the stability that a two parent family can bring? Is there a reason to treat it as a less important life and if so what is that reason?
 
No difference, huh? The moment the first breath is taken direction of blood flow starts to change. Certain veins atrophy and become cords which hold organs in place.

Ask your doctor what would happen if certain veins decided to atrophy when you were, say, 10 years old. Or 30 years old. Or if the direction of blood flow changed. Ask your doctor if that would be of any concern/importance.

For the love of all that's good and decent....LEARN!

Going from a liquid environment to a gaseous one is no big deal???

Maybe it's time for that shower you spoke about earlier. Better yet, try filling the bath tub and submerging your head. Let us know what you experience.

So now it's the environmental change?

You're getting your propaganda campaigns confused again. Take a break. Have a smoke. SHoot up bleach. Whatever it is you do for fun.
 
come out of the dark ages. Accept science, stringfield and apple.

How does science answer the question of your right to life and a chickens? How come you can kill it and eat it? How come the chicken is not charged with murder if it kills another chicken?

Science helps in providing information, but fails to answer.

The information science provides has to do with the human brain and our nature as humans contrasted against that of a chicken.

Equality of rights ensures we don't make trivial distinctions, e.g., though your brain is clearly deficient in comparison with mine, you still are entitled to the same rights as I am.
 
I said she's providing nutrients and such. That's like providing a raw material, not directing the process. The process is directed by dna.

The analogy still fails, and now its taking you down with it, as well as stringfield the human dick.

The analogy does not fail. It is your limited understanding that fails.

The raw material will dictate what processes take place. Lack of a certain vitamin and the DNA is unable to perform a certain process.

What is not clear?
 
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