Al Gore ripped the Trump administration to shreds.

Number Six said:
Thank you, Mr. Gore! It’s crucial that we fight against the false narratives and stand with Ukraine. Let’s keep spreading the truth together! 💪❤️
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Right up until the moment he flat lied about what Trump has said about Ukraine it was a decent, though hyperbolic, speech. The cartoonish and obvious lie about what "they" have said turns the entire message into somewhat well delivered propaganda that will be believed only by the followers of AlGore the Patron Saint of Global Warming.
 
Number Six said:
The conversational agility of a politician at a corruption hearing, impressive spin, but we all know you're just dodging because your brain's recycling bin is full.
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Aren't you going to explain how your Climate faith is thettled thienth, or have you abandoned that WACKY religion?
 
Tobytone said:
Seriously, you should just move on. You're not helping yourself with comments like this.

You need to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away and know when to run. (That would make a great country song, lol) Just trying to help, as usual.
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Get over it, Tobytroll. AI is an acceptable research tool, and you have authority of any it. If you can't accept facts, get off the board.
 
Jake Starkey said:
Get over it, Tobytroll. AI is an acceptable research tool, and you have authority of any it. If you can't accept facts, get off the board.
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LOL, nice work, Jakey. You not only missed the point entirely, but you also failed to write three tiny sentences without one of them looking like a retarded chimp was smashing on a keyboard until words were formed. A sentence that anyone, including AI, couldn't understand what the hell you're trying to say, 'ah duh, you have authority of any it.' ahhh what? Roflmfao

I'll dumb it down as much as possible for those of you who are this painfully stupid: I have zero problem with anyone using AI as a tool. Grasp that first and stay focused.

What I do find pathetic and worthless is letting AI take over 100% of your writing on sites like this. (I'll let you ask your mother or whoever to explain the obvious reasons why.)

Believe me, I get the urge for morons like Maze and you, since you both struggle so hard to relay simple concepts, decent ideas, or even halfway competent insults. But you'll never improve if you let AI do everything for you, and the idea of chatting with a computer isn't appealing to most people, otherwise why bother coming here at all. Understand?

I suspect the only reason you haven't started doing the same is you haven't figured out how yet. If I'm wrong and you actually have higher standards than Maze, I commend you and apologize for lumping you in with her. And remember drones, own your stupidity, it's still much better than AI.
 
IBDaMann said:
We absolutely did not. You should state for the public record either that you don't know what you are talking about or that you are outright lying.

Let's bring you up to speed. We the People of the United States of America, and to the republic for which We stand, promised:

1. to respect Ukraine’s independence and sovereignty - ✔
2. to refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine - ✔
3. to seek UN Security Council action if Ukraine became a victim of aggression - ✔ (immediately after Russia invaded in 2022 and other times)
4. to not use economic coercion - ✔
5. to not use nuclear weapons against Ukraine - ✔
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Budapest Memorandum of 1994

 
Jake Starkey said:
AI is your master, lil troll. It does not let you get away with 'alternate facts.' :cool:
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Still struggling with what I said huh? Well, all I can tell you, get someone you know that is much smarter than you to read it and attempt to communicate to you in whatever way they can until you've got it. Good Luck.
 
Tobytone said:
Still struggling with what I said huh? Well, all I can tell you, get someone you know that is much smarter than you to read it and attempt to communicate to you in whatever way they can until you've got it. Good Luck.
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You have slipped face first into the mud. You don't understand that AI owns your allegations. You have no facts. Only invective, ineffective invective.
 
Jake Starkey said:
You have slipped face first into the mud. You don't understand that AI owns your allegations. You have no facts. Only invective, ineffective invective.
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Wow, you truly don't have any clue what you're talking about, do you? Did you even skim a single comment you're pretending to reply to? Hard to imagine your dumb ass did.

This reply is so hilariously off-point, I haven't got the faintest idea what delusional bullshit you're referencing, lol. And it's truly comical, like you're deliberately mocking your own pathetic self, and dragging out your sad word-of-the-month and tossing it in to cap off the punchline of one of the worst jokes ever told is pure gold.

Of course you won't understand any of this, lol, that's fine. If anyone has suffered through this chain of comments they'll get it.

Good work, Jakey. I hope your nurse is proud, because any random collection of words you manage to pound out on the keyboard must count as major progress for someone as hopelessly retarded as you.
 
Phantasmal said:
We guaranteed we would when they gave up their nuclear arsenal.
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No, NATO did not guarantee to protect Ukraine in exchange for giving up its nuclear arsenal.

Ukraine inherited the world's third-largest nuclear stockpile after the Soviet Union's collapse but agreed to denuclearize under the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances. This political agreement, signed by Ukraine, Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom (with similar assurances from France and China separately), provided assurances in return for Ukraine joining the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) as a non-nuclear state.

Key Points of the Budapest Memorandum​

The memorandum included:

  • Respect for Ukraine's independence, sovereignty, and existing borders.
  • Refraining from the threat or use of force against Ukraine (except in self-defense or per the UN Charter).
  • Refraining from economic coercion.
  • Seeking UN Security Council action if Ukraine faced aggression involving nuclear weapons.
  • Consultations if issues arose regarding these commitments.
It deliberately used "assurances" rather than "guarantees", as the latter would imply a binding military commitment similar to NATO's Article 5 collective defense obligation. U.S. negotiators explicitly distinguished this to avoid any military intervention requirement.

NATO's Role​

  • NATO was not a signatory to the Budapest Memorandum and made no promises related to it.
  • The agreement was an individual commitment by the signatories (primarily the U.S., UK, and Russia), not a NATO collective one.
  • Ukraine developed partnerships with NATO later (e.g., Partnership for Peace in 1994 and a distinctive partnership in 1997), but no membership or defense pledge was offered in exchange for denuclearization.

Common Misconceptions​

Claims that NATO promised protection often confuse the bilateral/multilateral assurances in the memorandum with a NATO guarantee, or stem from broader post-Cold War discussions about European security. However, reliable sources, including the memorandum's text and analyses from the Arms Control Association, Brookings Institution, and Stanford's Center for International Security and Cooperation, confirm no such NATO commitment existed.

Russia violated the memorandum through its actions in Crimea (2014) and the full-scale invasion (2022), but this breach does not retroactively create a NATO obligation from 1994. Ukraine has since argued that effective security requires NATO membership, viewing the memorandum's assurances as insufficient.
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Phantasmal said:
Budapest Memorandum of 1994

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Thank you for agreeing with me completely so we can close this out. Nothing obligates the US to "stand with Ukraine."



1. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom ofGreat Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, inaccordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the Independenceand Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

2. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threator use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine,and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

3. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.

4. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom ofGreat Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a nonnuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of NuclearWeapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of athreat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.

5. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom ofGreat Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm, in the case of the Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, ortheir allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state.

6. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will consult in the event a situation arises which raises a question concerning these commitments.
 
Jake Starkey said:
NATO has the international authority to "guarantee" Ukraine from Russian aggression.
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No, NATO doesn't. NATO is a defense compact between members. Attack one and all support the one attacked. That is what NATO is in a nutshell. It has no authority to defend non-members, nor can it use offensive action unless first attacked. Ukraine is not a member, so NATO has ZERO obligation to support or defend that country.
 
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