If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[Into the Night]

I'm OK with that statement. I fail to believe in any Gods. Perhaps you or some other believer would like to provide support for their claim that God exists. I will consider it.

I fail to believe in any gods. That's my position and it hasn't changed no matter how many overly labored statements you type out.

It is different.

Ho = "There is no God" <--the null hypothesis
Ha = "There is a God"

I have tested and so far insufficient evidence to REJECT THE NULL HYPOTHESIS. I fear I would be making a Type I error (rejecting a true null hypothesis, or "false positive") if I reject the null.

So all I am doing is FAILING TO REJECT THE NULL HYPOTHESIS.

Not a null hypothesis.

Claiming there is no god is a positive statement. You are making this statement out of faith, and faith alone.

I am not making the claim "There is no God", I am merely failing to reject the null hypothesis in favor of the alternative hypothesis.

You are making the claim there is no god. That is a positive statement. Go learn what a null hypothesis is...for that matter, go learn what a hypothesis is. All hypothesis stem from a theory.

(Have you ever been in a jury trial? Yeah, it's the same thing. The same type of reasoning)

I have served on several juries. It is not the same type of reasoning. You are attempting a negative proof fallacy. A jury does not, even if it finds the defendant not guilty.

It is not possible to prove a negative from positive predicates.

Those two sound far more similar. I can accept that they are the same.

They are not even similar. False equivalence fallacy. Denial of logic.

I didn't say that. I think it is incorrect. I think you are saying you simultaneous do and do not believe in God. That makes no sense.

False dichotomy fallacy.

Can I ask you to slow your roll on these overly constructed statements "I do not not believe there is not not a God" in favor of simple statements?

False dichotomy fallacy.

My claim is and always has been that I FAIL TO ACCEPT YOUR CLAIMS THAT GOD EXISTS.

That's it. 100% Nothing more, nothing less.

Lie. You claim that god does not exist. You have claimed it in this very post. This is a positive statement. It is not a hypothesis. It is a theory. It is not possible to prove whether any god or gods exist or not.

You are a member of the Church of No God. Your circular argument fallacy is somewhat unusual in that you are using the redefinition of a hypothesis as your 'proof'.

Debate against THAT, and not your favorite "I do not not believe there is not not a non-God not God not not not believe not not not." type statements?

There are no debates here. Only conversations. His bad statement constructs are his problem, not yours. YOUR problem is your fundamentalism.

 

[Into the Night]

You are as dumb as your boyfriend IBD.

You can't blame your illiteracy on me or anybody else, Clanker.

The cosmic background afterglow has been receding from us for 13.5 billion years.

What 'afterglow'??? Cosmic rays striking the Earth are not receding.

It is the farthest point on our visible cosmic horizon.

The Earth is not the farthest point observable in the Universe.

The reason we can observe the photons of the cosmic background today

Cosmic radiation is not light.

is because space was, and is being massively stretched beyond human comprehension, making the distance the light had to travel much farther, and making the wavelengths of the photons become stretched out of the visible range into the microwave range.

Cosmic radiation has no frequency. Cosmic radiation is not light. There is no such thing as a 'microwave' cosmic particle.

All electromagnetic radiation is light.

Cosmic rays are not light.

The human eye is evolved to only see a narrow spectrum of that bandwidth.

Cosmic rays are not a frequency. They have no frequency. Cosmic rays are not light.

 

[gfm7175]

The Bible's burning bush story in Exodus 3, describes God appearing to Moses as a blazing fire in a bush that burns but isn't consumed, revealing Himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and commissioning Moses to lead the Israelites out of slavery in Egypt

So there was NO inanimate object that was talking? Got it.

I never said he, if he exists, wouldn't. I did say that the events of the Bible, that were specifically documented and referenced as evidence for God and God's power, do not happen today.

Which events?

Nope. Not being baited into another rabbit hole. You can do your own research on why people aren't able to walk on the surface of water.

But people ARE able to walk on the surface of water.

Nope. Yet another rabbit hole I'll be avoiding.

 

[Into the Night]

Where, in our solar system, is there continuous light that naturally exists without stars or any man-made device?

Good luck. He is locked in paradox on this one. He is claiming that photons are created without a source to create them.

 

[Hume]

If you want to be religious, be religious. Just do not tell others it is true.

 

[ZenMode]

No it isn't.

Yes it is. It's based on the geneology of Jesus.

Nothing in the Bible implies that the Earth is 6,000 years old either.

Yes it does. See above.

 

[gfm7175]

Again....if you are already a believer, you find evidence (proof) of your god all around you. A beautiful sunrise is evidence of a god. A fortuitous stroke of luck is evidence (proof) of your god. Something bad happening to someone is evidence that they don't believe in your god.

If you don't ALREADY believe in god, then all of the events listed above are just events, with no deity behind them. Some events are good luck...others are bad luck, etc. But, a non-believer could be convinced by a person walking on water, the clouds parting and divine beings floating down and talking to you. A dead person coming back from the dead after being dead for three days.

THOSE events, the actual evidence for divinity and godly powers don't happen today.

ZENMODE SEQUENCE #1

 

[Into the Night]

There weren't any photons, electrons, or quarks before the big bang, dummy.

But you said there was. Which is it, dude?

They resulted from the energy released in the big bang.

What energy? What was released?

That's the question I have never been able to get atheists to answer: how can a physical materialist worldview explain how something can come from nothing, and with just the right properties for complex atomic matter to accumulate.

YOU are the one trying to claim this. It is YOU that has to explain this. This is YOUR religion.

Atheism is not a religion.

 

[ZenMode]

So there was NO inanimate object that was talking? Got it.

Derp

Which events?

Derp derp

But people ARE able to walk on the surface of water.

Tell me the method of walking on water that Jesus would have utilized.

 

[gfm7175]

What you claim as evidence is only evidence because you already believe in your god.

ZENMODE SEQUENCE #1

 

[Into the Night]

Yes it is. It's based on the geneology of Jesus.

Yes it does. See above.

Genealogy is not an age, Void.
People are not the Earth either.

 

[Into the Night]

Derp

So your argument was shot down.

Derp derp

So your argument was shot down here as well.

Tell me the method of walking on water that Jesus would have utilized.

Unknown.

However, I walk on water. I have driven on water (even recently, such as last week). I have skated on water. I have landed aircraft on water and taken off again. Ships weighing 100 megatons travel on the water just fine.

You ARE aware that flooding has been a problem here, right?

 

[Into the Night]

Nope. It's not evidence of no God any more than it is evidence of no islands of magical unicorns in the Atlantic Ocean.

Nope. It's not evidence of no God any more than it is evidence of no islands of magical unicorns in the Atlantic Ocean.

Why do you believe there are magical unicorns in the Atlantic ocean?

Yet it is the assertion of some Christians.

And such are fundamentalist, like you. It is not possible to prove whether any god or gods exist. It is not possible to prove no god or gods exist.

What you claim as evidence is only evidence because you already believe in your god.

What you claim as evidence is only evidence because you already believe there is no god.

 

[Into the Night]

Everything you are saying is absurd. If you wish to adhere to physics, you have to acknowledge the random movement of electrons and other particles.

Your denial of randomness in the universe renders your arguments incompatible with nature.

Quite right. Remember, however, that he does not know what 'random' means.

 

[Into the Night]

If you want to be religious, be religious. Just do not tell others it is true.

I have no problem telling others my religion is true.
Such a statement is not a proof.

Every religious person feels their religion is true.
It is not possible to prove it.

 

[Hume]

I have no problem telling others my religion is true.
Such a statement is not a proof.

Every religious person feels their religion is true.
It is not possible to prove it.

Good, then you admit it is not rational.

 

[Into the Night]

Good, then you admit it is not rational.

It is rational.

Go learn what 'rational' means. Go learn logic, Hugo.

 

[Hume]

It is rational.

Go learn what 'rational' means. Go learn logic, Hugo.

go fuck yourself you goddam moron

 

[Into the Night]

go fuck yourself you goddam moron

...annnnnnnnd back to your usual mindless chant.

 

[Hume]

...annnnnnnnd back to your usual mindless chant.

Yes, bye jerkoff.